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Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:51 am
by drsd
Dear Magic fans:
Carter-Williams will soon be up for a third contract. The Magic cannot know if the team has been eliminated or not when making this decision. But there is no decision itself on signing him; Orlando will given Carter-Williams a season-ending contract.
Carter-Williams got his first two contracts as an injury exception. It is not a guarantee that another, third-one would be granted. If not, a player would have to waived for Orlando too sign Carter-Williams. The poll has my thoughts on how Carter-Williams gets a season-ending contract.
Note: it is my stated opinion that it is HIGHLY unlikely the Magic waive Grant, even as Orlando's worst player by a considerable margin, as the Magic would then only have two healthy PGs on the roster coming in to the playoffs. I also think it is virtually impossible the Magic would waive Mozgov. As keeping him on the roster allows him to be used in trades and waiving him means the Magic lacks that flexibility. For me this is a toss-up between waiving Martin or Frazier. I chose Martin simply because Frazier does have "upside" coming to next year. Martin is who he will be in the NBA - a 12th man that can hit a random three-ball in late-game blow-outs.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:18 pm
by j-ragg
Might as well waive Grant unless he is some amazing locker room presence we don't see from our perspective.
They'll probably just apply for another exception though.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:26 pm
by MoMM
Martin, and if we need some depth at forward, we can recall Amile.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:30 pm
by OrlandO
I mean if we can get another injury exception we should do that. Otherwise it's a no-brainer... waive grant. Not like he'll help us at PG if MCW gets hurt.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:44 pm
by rcklsscognition
Would we even need to waive anyone? That sounds like it defeats the purpose of the exemption, it removes the injured player from one of our roster spots, no? Or is it just salary cap relief?
I haven't found much info on this injury hardship:
From a 2014 OKC Thunder blog:
What is a hardship exception?
It’s a temporary roster spot that must be granted by the league. It allows a team to exceed the 15-man maximum roster when it has at least four players who are sick or injured for longer than two weeks. Each of the four sick or injured players must miss at least three consecutive games during their two-week absence. An independent physician, not the team’s doctor, must decide whether each player is required to miss two weeks. With Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Mitch McGary and Grant Jerrett all having missed at least three straight games while sidelined for at least the season’s first month with various injuries, the Thunder meets the criteria.
How long does the exception last?
Until the first of the four sick or injured players rejoin the lineup. Again, it’s a temporary roster spot. Its purpose is to keep a team that has been decimated by injuries afloat only until the sick or injured players return to the lineup. In the Thunder’s case, the additional roster spot could be good through mid-December.
Can a second hardship roster exception be added?
Yes. And it appears the Thunder might soon require an additional replacement. Perry Jones sustained an injury to his right knee Tuesday at Toronto and could miss s chunk of time. The team called the injury a contusion and is in the process of evaluating him to learn more. But if Jones has to miss at least two weeks, and misses the mandated three consecutive contests, the Thunder can and likely will apply for another exception.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:08 pm
by OrlandO
rcklsscognition wrote:Would we even need to waive anyone? That sounds like it defeats the purpose of the exemption, it removes the injured player from one of our roster spots, no? Or is it just salary cap relief?
I haven't found much info on this injury hardship:
From a 2014 OKC Thunder blog:
What is a hardship exception?
It’s a temporary roster spot that must be granted by the league. It allows a team to exceed the 15-man maximum roster when it has at least four players who are sick or injured for longer than two weeks. Each of the four sick or injured players must miss at least three consecutive games during their two-week absence. An independent physician, not the team’s doctor, must decide whether each player is required to miss two weeks. With Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, Mitch McGary and Grant Jerrett all having missed at least three straight games while sidelined for at least the season’s first month with various injuries, the Thunder meets the criteria.
How long does the exception last?
Until the first of the four sick or injured players rejoin the lineup. Again, it’s a temporary roster spot. Its purpose is to keep a team that has been decimated by injuries afloat only until the sick or injured players return to the lineup. In the Thunder’s case, the additional roster spot could be good through mid-December.
Can a second hardship roster exception be added?
Yes. And it appears the Thunder might soon require an additional replacement. Perry Jones sustained an injury to his right knee Tuesday at Toronto and could miss s chunk of time. The team called the injury a contusion and is in the process of evaluating him to learn more. But if Jones has to miss at least two weeks, and misses the mandated three consecutive contests, the Thunder can and likely will apply for another exception.
Bamba, Fultz, Mozgov, Briscoe... 4 players still unable to play. I wonder if there's a limit on how many exceptions in a given period? Can we even give a longer contract with the exception or only 10 days? (mcw can't get another 10 day)
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 3:39 pm
by drsd
OrlandO wrote:Bamba, Fultz, Mozgov, Briscoe... 4 players still unable to play. I wonder if there's a limit on how many exceptions in a given period? Can we even give a longer contract with the exception or only 10 days? (mcw can't get another 10 day)
I think from the league's perspective, either Bamba or Fultz could be medically cleared any day. I am not sure the league is going to grant yet another exemption outright.
Are either Bamba or Fultz likely to be in game shape? Well Fultz hasn't been shooting so he's a firm no. Bamba might contribute in spot points in the playoffs.
In the end, I do think the Magic will need to waive a current Magician to sign Carter-WIlliams.
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Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:48 pm
by Knightro
I don't think there's any chance whatsoever the NBA will deny the Magic a continued injury exemption for Carter-Williams.
There's no indication whatsoever that Fultz, Bamba, Mozgov or Briscoe are even close to practicing, much less playing.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 4:55 pm
by OrlandO
drsd wrote:OrlandO wrote:Bamba, Fultz, Mozgov, Briscoe... 4 players still unable to play. I wonder if there's a limit on how many exceptions in a given period? Can we even give a longer contract with the exception or only 10 days? (mcw can't get another 10 day)
I think from the league's perspective, either Bamba or Fultz could be medically cleared any day. I am not sure the league is going to grant yet another exemption outright.
Are either Bamba or Fultz likely to be in game shape? Well Fultz hasn't been shooting so he's a firm no. Bamba might contribute in spot points in the playoffs.
In the end, I do think the Magic will need to waive a current Magician to sign Carter-WIlliams.
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Bamba and Fultz are doing non-contact drills... doubt the NBA would clear them. Even if they were close to returning, I don't think the rule takes into consideration estimated time of return? They're either ready to go or not.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:10 pm
by pepe1991
just officially announce that Fultz and/or Bamba are done for a year and get injuried player exception...
if not, cut Grant
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:47 pm
by drsd
pepe1991 wrote:just officially announce that Fultz and/or Bamba are done for a year and get injuried player exception...
Independent doctors, not team doctors, assess the injury exemptions.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 7:49 pm
by drsd
Not surprised by the "enthusiasm" of waiving Grant. What does surprise me is that essentially all fans think Frazier is more important than Martin. I expect more of as discussion on those two.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:23 pm
by MoMM
But if a team finishes the regular season with 16 or more players on its roster, a player signed via a hardship waiver would be ineligible to play or practice during the postseason. If a team finishes the regular season with 15 or fewer players on its roster, any of those 15 would be playoff eligible, even if he was signed via a hardship exception (assuming he was otherwise eligible). The two most likely candidates to be waived would be Jerian Grant or Briscoe. – via The Athletic
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:47 pm
by OrlandO
MoMM wrote:But if a team finishes the regular season with 16 or more players on its roster, a player signed via a hardship waiver would be ineligible to play or practice during the postseason. If a team finishes the regular season with 15 or fewer players on its roster, any of those 15 would be playoff eligible, even if he was signed via a hardship exception (assuming he was otherwise eligible). The two most likely candidates to be waived would be Jerian Grant or Briscoe. – via The Athletic
Well there's the answer we've been looking for... doesn't matter if we get another exception someone is getting waived. So long Jerian Grant.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 8:50 pm
by OrlandO
drsd wrote:Not surprised by the "enthusiasm" of waiving Grant. What does surprise me is that essentially all fans think Frazier is more important than Martin. I expect more of as discussion on those two.
Because Frazier is a rookie and his contract is guaranteed next season. Martin is an expiring third stringer and isn't expected to return just like Grant... makes sense for only those two to get votes. I'd keep Martin for the playoffs... teammates think he's funny and he's always ready to make threes no matter how long he sits just like speights. I'm not sure what Grant is like off the court, but we know he actively hurts us when he plays.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:27 pm
by Magic_Johnny12
I think Martin plays a bigger role than Grant and isn't Briscoe coming back somewhat soon?
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:39 pm
by Max Power
I think the obvious answer is to waive Jerian Grant. He’s contributed very little to this squad outside of almost Fournier level bad shot selection. Keeping Briscoe and MCW as our backup pg’s works out much better.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:59 pm
by BadHombre
OrlandO wrote:drsd wrote:Not surprised by the "enthusiasm" of waiving Grant. What does surprise me is that essentially all fans think Frazier is more important than Martin. I expect more of as discussion on those two.
Because Frazier is a rookie and his contract is guaranteed next season. Martin is an expiring third stringer and isn't expected to return just like Grant... makes sense for only those two to get votes. I'd keep Martin for the playoffs... teammates think he's funny and he's always ready to make threes no matter how long he sits just like speights. I'm not sure what Grant is like off the court, but we know he actively hurts us when he plays.
This. Martin is an underrated reliable spark. Even when he's thrown in for garbage time, he plays it properly and makes it count, unlike Grant who just hoists 3's.
Frazier is worth developing in case he can be Iwundu with a good 3pt shot.
Even if we waived Grant, got to the playoffs and DJ or MCW went down, I'd rather rub Iwundu at point than Grant. Grant just doesn't bring anything good to the court.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:00 pm
by Knightro
I would release Grant over Martin.
If the Magic end up needing to use their 3rd PG and Briscoe isn't healthy, they're screwed anyway.
Re: Resigning Carter-Williams: a how-to poll
Posted: Sun Mar 31, 2019 11:22 pm
by BadMofoPimp
Grant sucks but I don't think any G-League player will be any better. Martin is useless,so waive him. At least Grant has more game experience and that may count more in the playoffs. Playoff basketball is intense and I just prefer a vet who knows the teams plays and has some chemistry already than throwing anyone else into an unknown situation in the midst of the playoffs.