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What should Orlando do with Vuc?

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What to do with Vuc after the season?

Sign him at all cost
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Sign him only for the right price
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Let him walk it is time to let Me Bamba grow
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Try to sign and trade him
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10%
Sign Vuc and trade Mo Bamba
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#81 » by fendilim » Sun Apr 7, 2019 4:57 pm

Still think we re-sign Vuc, and wait/trade Mo.

We offered Mo for DSJ during the deadline already, so the chances of mgmt keeping Vuc is actually quite high.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#82 » by OrlandoSaban » Sun Apr 7, 2019 5:01 pm

Magic should keep Vuc at whatever it takes to keep him here. You guys are fools for wanting to trade our all star. In fact, idiots.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#83 » by Skin » Sun Apr 7, 2019 5:53 pm

fendilim wrote:Still think we re-sign Vuc, and wait/trade Mo.

We offered Mo for DSJ during the deadline already, so the chances of mgmt keeping Vuc is actually quite high.

IIRC, Dallas wanted Mo and we said no.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#84 » by King Close » Sun Apr 7, 2019 6:00 pm

fendilim wrote:Still think we re-sign Vuc, and wait/trade Mo.

We offered Mo for DSJ during the deadline already, so the chances of mgmt keeping Vuc is actually quite high.


It's been proven that we never shopped Mo, it was just reporters speculating that we no longer need Mo because Vuc is having a good year.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#85 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 6:15 pm

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Not all allstars are created equal. You have good stats/ bad team guys and you have instances where some don’t make it because of the conference competition. Would you rather have Donovan Mitchell or Vuc?

The argument against Vuc isn’t that he isn’t a good player or deserving, it’s that the team is .500 and barely in playoff talks with him at the helm. Orlando would be signing him well into his prime while likely not being able to compete for anything substantial in doing so. It’s settling at its finest.


Would you rather have Donovan Mitchell or Vuc?

Vuc. Mitchell without Gobert and Ingles would be Devin Booker.
Everything important for that team is tied with Gobert , they are defensive minded team that rebounds and blocks shots. All things Gobert does.

It's not Vuc problem why team is .500 team . Matter of fact he is only reason why team isn't .250 team.
He is 28-29, with 3 to 4 years contract he'll be free agent at age of 33-34.

Again, what's alternative for letting Vuc go ? Lottery ? Are we still pretending that free agency is place where Magic are landing Durant? :lol:


First off, no you wouldn’t. You are lying to yourself.

You and every other GM in the league would rather have Mitchell at 3m/3 years than Vuc at 25m/4.

The point is that it has nothing to do with being an “All-Star”. Mitchell wasn’t an All-Star this year and that’s why your original statement is a fallacy. Oh yeah.. and Gobert wasn’t selected either.

To your second point, it is and isn’t Vuc’s problem the rest of the team is .500. Not from a personal or production standpoint, but from a team building one. Yes we would have been worse without him in the short term, but now we are forced to running for an offense through him without a clear way of getting better talent. That’s why I voted for “sign and trade him” in this poll. Having a #6 pick warm the bench for Vuc for another 4 years of a half assed system isn’t ideal however anyone spins it.

Free agency, picking late in shallow drafts, and not making changes to this roster aren’t ideal options moving forward.



I pretty much don't agree with anything you said.

You like Mitchell because he is on rookie scale contract, i bet you won't like him when he gets his $150- 170M contract next year.
You use him casually, acting like he is normal and expected outcome of tanking, in reality only him and Tatum among 14 rookies drafted in lottery were worth tanking, in other words 12 teams wasted one year sucking for no reason, especially Suns, Lakers and Knicks who got complete scrubs .

Also you pretend that Vučević production will be easly replaced, yet you never mentioned once by who . imaginary 2020 lottery stud ? How can you be sure that 2020 player won't be new Hezonja or Payton ?
Leaning to draft to give you star lead to Magic sucking from 2013 to 2018 and not a single player they drafted in lottery turned into anything special under them.

In theory sure, you want rookie scale Michael Jordan over 29 years old Vučević.
In reality you will get Colin Sexton/ Mo Bamba level of flawed projectt while being laughing stock on 20 wins team in 9 out of 10 cases with fanbase that starts to " scout" before New Year.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#86 » by MagicFan101 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 6:23 pm

Skin wrote:
fendilim wrote:Still think we re-sign Vuc, and wait/trade Mo.

We offered Mo for DSJ during the deadline already, so the chances of mgmt keeping Vuc is actually quite high.

IIRC, Dallas wanted Mo and we said no.


Correct but for more context, Dallas wanted Mo + picks + offload Wesely Mathews' contract. But yes, we said no. We were not the ones offering.

Still, just my opinion but if they came with a more appropriate request we likely would have bitten.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#87 » by MagicMatic » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:02 pm

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MagicMatic wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:

Vuc. Mitchell without Gobert and Ingles would be Devin Booker.
Everything important for that team is tied with Gobert , they are defensive minded team that rebounds and blocks shots. All things Gobert does.

It's not Vuc problem why team is .500 team . Matter of fact he is only reason why team isn't .250 team.
He is 28-29, with 3 to 4 years contract he'll be free agent at age of 33-34.

Again, what's alternative for letting Vuc go ? Lottery ? Are we still pretending that free agency is place where Magic are landing Durant? :lol:


First off, no you wouldn’t. You are lying to yourself.

You and every other GM in the league would rather have Mitchell at 3m/3 years than Vuc at 25m/4.

The point is that it has nothing to do with being an “All-Star”. Mitchell wasn’t an All-Star this year and that’s why your original statement is a fallacy. Oh yeah.. and Gobert wasn’t selected either.


To your second point, it is and isn’t Vuc’s problem the rest of the team is .500. Not from a personal or production standpoint, but from a team building one. Yes we would have been worse without him in the short term, but now we are forced to running for an offense through him without a clear way of getting better talent. That’s why I voted for “sign and trade him” in this poll. Having a #6 pick warm the bench for Vuc for another 4 years of a half assed system isn’t ideal however anyone spins it.

Free agency, picking late in shallow drafts, and not making changes to this roster aren’t ideal options moving forward.



I pretty much don't agree with anything you said.

You like Mitchell because he is on rookie scale contract, i bet you won't like him when he gets his $150- 170M contract next year.
You use him casually, acting like he is normal and expected outcome of tanking, in reality only him and Tatum among 14 rookies drafted in lottery were worth tanking, in other words 12 teams wasted one year sucking for no reason, especially Suns, Lakers and Knicks who got complete scrubs .

Also you pretend that Vučević production will be easly replaced, yet you never mentioned once by who . imaginary 2020 lottery stud ? How can you be sure that 2020 player won't be new Hezonja or Payton ?
Leaning to draft to give you star lead to Magic sucking from 2013 to 2018 and not a single player they drafted in lottery turned into anything special under them.


Missing. The. Point. Entirely.

Your original comment -

“Logic: who needs allstar when you can go back in lottery and hope against all hopes to land eventual allstar because you might have player that might one day becomes shadow of your current allstar.”


Being an All-Star doesn’t matter when there are a number of factors that play into it. Mitchell wasn’t an All-Star and neither was your choice of example with Gobert. Having an All-Star doesn’t mean your team is good. Lebron is an All-Star and the Lakers are garbage. Context and the roster matters.

Also, who said anything about going back to the lottery? This is what everyone immediately assumes when the discussion of moving on from Vuc is brought up. Building an offense not predicated on a one dimensional style of play is more important in the long run. “Replacing” his production has more to do with changing the system than anything else. It’s been a crutch to creating a dynamic and balanced offense. Clifford has done the most with nothing and few options.

The draft isn’t an end all be all. It just happens to be one of the two ways Orlando acquires talent. Hence why I voted for sign and trade.

The rest of your reply has nothing to do with what we are talking about.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#88 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:13 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
MagicMatic wrote:
First off, no you wouldn’t. You are lying to yourself.

You and every other GM in the league would rather have Mitchell at 3m/3 years than Vuc at 25m/4.

The point is that it has nothing to do with being an “All-Star”. Mitchell wasn’t an All-Star this year and that’s why your original statement is a fallacy. Oh yeah.. and Gobert wasn’t selected either.


To your second point, it is and isn’t Vuc’s problem the rest of the team is .500. Not from a personal or production standpoint, but from a team building one. Yes we would have been worse without him in the short term, but now we are forced to running for an offense through him without a clear way of getting better talent. That’s why I voted for “sign and trade him” in this poll. Having a #6 pick warm the bench for Vuc for another 4 years of a half assed system isn’t ideal however anyone spins it.

Free agency, picking late in shallow drafts, and not making changes to this roster aren’t ideal options moving forward.



I pretty much don't agree with anything you said.

You like Mitchell because he is on rookie scale contract, i bet you won't like him when he gets his $150- 170M contract next year.
You use him casually, acting like he is normal and expected outcome of tanking, in reality only him and Tatum among 14 rookies drafted in lottery were worth tanking, in other words 12 teams wasted one year sucking for no reason, especially Suns, Lakers and Knicks who got complete scrubs .

Also you pretend that Vučević production will be easly replaced, yet you never mentioned once by who . imaginary 2020 lottery stud ? How can you be sure that 2020 player won't be new Hezonja or Payton ?
Leaning to draft to give you star lead to Magic sucking from 2013 to 2018 and not a single player they drafted in lottery turned into anything special under them.


Missing. The. Point. Entirely.

Your original comment -

“Logic: who needs allstar when you can go back in lottery and hope against all hopes to land eventual allstar because you might have player that might one day becomes shadow of your current allstar.”


Being an All-Star doesn’t matter when there are a number of factors that play into it. Mitchell wasn’t an All-Star and neither was your choice of example with Gobert. Having an All-Star doesn’t mean your team is good. Lebron is an All-Star and the Lakers are garbage. Context and the roster matters.

Also, who said anything about going back to the lottery? This is what everyone immediately assumes when the discussion of moving on from Vuc is brought up. Building an offense not predicated on a one dimensional style of play is more important in the long run. The draft isn’t an end all be all. It just happens to be one of the two ways Orlando acquires talent. Hence why I voted for sign and trade.

The rest of your reply has nothing to do with what we are talking about.



You know damn well that without Vuc you are back in lottery..
You keep repeating same thing about building offense and running it in different fashion, yet you keep ignoring that offense in nba is talent driven thing ,you can have best drawn play in history and it won't matter if it's Iwundu and MCw who have to execute it.
In mean time Steve Kerr can draw dog on drawing table and Curry and Durant will still deliver.


Yea , i would like sign and trade with Durant, and going after Giannis in trade for Mozgov, guess what, won't happen.

Not to mention that all signs point that Vuc will be offered new contract by Magic and it's on him to take it or leave it. So whole this " what would be best" is pointless yapping .

You sould aslo know that Weltman and Hammond can fire themselfs if 2020 roll, they lost Vuc and Ross, Fultz is still mental nutcase and bamba still looks like Biyombo. Than Magic will do what? Build around Gordon and Isaac ? Might as well sell team.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#89 » by zaymon » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:15 pm

Offense with Vuc is far from predictable, he can easly settle as a 2nd option/facilitator. With Vuc out our offense will be like rest of the league but worse. With Vuc we have chance to be special offensive team. I think its more propable we sign good free agent than draft player of Nicola caliber. Next year we can be 45-50 win team, and if Fultz is healthy we can even fight for 3-4 seed in the PO. If somehow we suck i think Vuc showed enough talent to have value even as a max contract.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#90 » by pepe1991 » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:16 pm

zaymon wrote:Offense with Vuc is far from predictable, he can easly settle as a 2nd option/facilitator. With Vuc out our offense will be like rest of the league but worse. With Vuc we have chance to be special offensive team. I think its more propable we sign good free agent than draft player of Nicola caliber. Next year we can be 45-50 win team, and if Fultz is healthy we can even fight for 3-4 seed in the PO. If somehow we suck i think Vuc showed enough talent to have value even as a max contract.


Only issue with Vuc on offense is fact that 4 other players would not start on Philly , Raptors, Bucks, Warriors or Houston as they are replacment level of talents.
But hey, let's move only player who is legit great, to give more space for others who are pretty medicore.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#91 » by zaymon » Sun Apr 7, 2019 7:30 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
zaymon wrote:Offense with Vuc is far from predictable, he can easly settle as a 2nd option/facilitator. With Vuc out our offense will be like rest of the league but worse. With Vuc we have chance to be special offensive team. I think its more propable we sign good free agent than draft player of Nicola caliber. Next year we can be 45-50 win team, and if Fultz is healthy we can even fight for 3-4 seed in the PO. If somehow we suck i think Vuc showed enough talent to have value even as a max contract.


Only issue with Vuc on offense is fact that 4 other players would not start on Philly , Raptors, Bucks, Warriors or Houston as they are replacment level of talents.
But hey, let's move only player who is legit great, to give more space for others who are pretty medicore.
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Fournier would start for Toronto and Bucks. Vucevic is playing better than Griffin this year, and Blake had trade value being injury prone and older. People just think great players grow on trees. I dont believe no one will want to come here in 2020 to carry the offense, when we will make PO two times in a row with bunch of kids.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#92 » by Rainwater » Mon Apr 8, 2019 12:45 am

OrlandoSaban wrote:Magic should keep Vuc at whatever it takes to keep him here. You guys are fools for wanting to trade our all star. In fact, idiots.


You must love stagnation, lol. Vuc is a good player but he is not going to lead you anywhere.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#93 » by fendilim » Mon Apr 8, 2019 12:48 am

King Close wrote:
fendilim wrote:Still think we re-sign Vuc, and wait/trade Mo.

We offered Mo for DSJ during the deadline already, so the chances of mgmt keeping Vuc is actually quite high.


It's been proven that we never shopped Mo, it was just reporters speculating that we no longer need Mo because Vuc is having a good year.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2818669-windhorst-mo-bamba-is-available-in-trades-mavericks-attempted-to-land-rookie
"When they iced Dennis Smith a few weeks ago...one of the teams they were talking to was Orlando about Mo Bamba," Windhorst said (20:11 into podcast). "Mo Bamba is available on the market."
If you listen to the whole podcast he further on saying it a league executive told him that Mo was offered for DSJ.
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Post#94 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:04 am

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OrlandoSaban wrote:Magic should keep Vuc at whatever it takes to keep him here. You guys are fools for wanting to trade our all star. In fact, idiots.


You must love stagnation, lol. Vuc is a good player but he is not going to lead you anywhere.


He led the Magic to the playoffs this year. That is a nice start.
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Post#95 » by JF5 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 1:49 am

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Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


You're ridiculous... There is no way in hell Kemba is coming here unless there is another star/all-star caliber player on this team. The man is pushing 30 and there is no way he'd wait for a bunch of young/raw players to develop within 3-4 years. It would be no different than him staying with Charlotte.

If the Magic want a shot at immediate competition they'll resign Vuc. If they want to go the complete rebuild route which will take 3-4 years they'll let him walk.

We'll see who's ridiculous when Vuc gets his new contract. I bet I won't be too far off.

But you are right... There is no way in hell Kemba is coming here. Not sure where that memo started off from. Are you seriously thinking that's happening?


Skin you really irritate me... I've said this time and time again that Kemba wouldn't come here unless an All-Star was here with coach Clifford being here as well... Guess what? Vucevic is that all-star

Your damn hatred of Vuc's success and his ALL-NBA year which has pushed the Magic to the playoffs is ridiculous. Just because your boy AG couldn't get it done it burns you to the core. I'm tired of it... Applaud him for doing something that we haven't seen in 7 damn years.

We're in the damn playoffs I don't care anymore...
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#96 » by Rainwater » Mon Apr 8, 2019 4:38 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:
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OrlandoSaban wrote:Magic should keep Vuc at whatever it takes to keep him here. You guys are fools for wanting to trade our all star. In fact, idiots.


You must love stagnation, lol. Vuc is a good player but he is not going to lead you anywhere.


He led the Magic to the playoffs this year. That is a nice start.


Unless the magic grow internally, Vuc alone does not make this team a contender anytime soon. And with the magic's inability to sign a big time free agent, what's the point of battling for borderline playoff status?
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#97 » by bargnanimvp » Mon Apr 8, 2019 5:00 am

Rainwater wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:
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You must love stagnation, lol. Vuc is a good player but he is not going to lead you anywhere.


He led the Magic to the playoffs this year. That is a nice start.


Unless the magic grow internally, Vuc alone does not make this team a contender anytime soon. And with the magic's inability to sign a big time free agent, what's the point of battling for borderline playoff status?

And what's the point in letting an all star walk when his replacement looks nowhere near ready to play a starting role in the NBA? Bamba is a slower project than some people seem to think.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#98 » by pepe1991 » Mon Apr 8, 2019 6:08 am

is megamax ready ? :lol:
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Post#99 » by Rainwater » Mon Apr 8, 2019 6:39 am

bargnanimvp wrote:
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BadMofoPimp wrote:
He led the Magic to the playoffs this year. That is a nice start.


Unless the magic grow internally, Vuc alone does not make this team a contender anytime soon. And with the magic's inability to sign a big time free agent, what's the point of battling for borderline playoff status?

And what's the point in letting an all star walk when his replacement looks nowhere near ready to play a starting role in the NBA? Bamba is a slower project than some people seem to think.


To let Mo grow, that is why you let him play. While Vuc is a good player, I don't know why you would waste a multi-year 30 million dollar contact on a 29 year old Vuc when he will likely lead you no where. And that deal may look ugly as he ages. You are getting stuck in Whiteside type deal.

If the Magic were in win now type position, yes, i would resign Vuc but they aren't. It would be a waste of Vuc's and the Magic's time if he stayed here. Unless they somehow traded for an all-star or two to play beside Vuc I just don't see the point.
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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc? 

Post#100 » by bargnanimvp » Mon Apr 8, 2019 8:09 am

Rainwater wrote:
bargnanimvp wrote:
Rainwater wrote:
Unless the magic grow internally, Vuc alone does not make this team a contender anytime soon. And with the magic's inability to sign a big time free agent, what's the point of battling for borderline playoff status?

And what's the point in letting an all star walk when his replacement looks nowhere near ready to play a starting role in the NBA? Bamba is a slower project than some people seem to think.


To let Mo grow, that is why you let him play. While Vuc is a good player, I don't know why you would waste a multi-year 30 million dollar contact on a 29 year old Vuc when he will likely lead you no where. And that deal may look ugly as he ages. You are getting stuck in Whiteside type deal.

If the Magic were in win now type position, yes, i would resign Vuc but they aren't. It would be a waste of Vuc's and the Magic'stime if he stayed here. Unless they somehow traded for an all-star or two to play beside Vuc I just don't see the point.

you think we are paying vuc 30 mil a year?

Bamba has shown he can't last the season, maybe he fixes things but right now stress fractures for a tall lad who isn't carrying weight aren't a good sign. He needs to be eased in, you don't just throw someone into a starting role when they aren't ready this isn't 2k.

For me it comes down to contract but i don't see us paying him 30 a year and i think he probably ends up signing a 3 year type deal.

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