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What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 7:11 pm
by Bigmagicfan82
With Vuc's pending free agency the magic have a big decision to make. Do they keep Vuc or let him go? If we keep him, do we keep Mo Bamba?

Vuc is having a career year, made the All-Star team, and the team is on the verge of their first playoff appearance in almost a decade. But is that the furthest the Magic could get with Vuc?

What do you think we should do?

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Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:17 pm
by Skin
Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:25 pm
by basketballRob
Can't see them paying him 30m a year when you might be able to get Brook Lopez and Julius Randle for half that.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:36 pm
by Skin
basketballRob wrote:Can't see them paying him 30m a year when you might be able to get Brook Lopez and Julius Randle for half that.

If they want to be competitive for his services, then they'll have to pay him that. Vlade is not kidding around. He wants Vuc.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 8:36 pm
by Knightro
I think he'll end up resigning for 3 years, 75M or so.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:11 pm
by JF5
Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


You're ridiculous... There is no way in hell Kemba is coming here unless there is another star/all-star caliber player on this team. The man is pushing 30 and there is no way he'd wait for a bunch of young/raw players to develop within 3-4 years. It would be no different than him staying with Charlotte.

If the Magic want a shot at immediate competition they'll resign Vuc. If they want to go the complete rebuild route which will take 3-4 years they'll let him walk.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:18 pm
by MagicFan101
Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


$120M over 4 years (minimum) is starter money to you? That is $30M a year man.

Yes, 10 players in the league are making $30M or more this season. But those are not “starters” those are SUPER STARS.

There are 30 teams who start 5 players a game. So if every league we’re to play just one lineup all year then you have 150 starters in the league.

The #150 highest salary in the league this year is Jeremy Lamb at $7.5M.

Yes, Vuc will get starter money but the right price is somewhere between $30M and $7.5M ... all of which is still “starter money” according to the data.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:20 pm
by MagicFan101
Knightro wrote:I think he'll end up resigning for 3 years, 75M or so.


As long as either the 3rd year is a team option (unlikely) or it is a declining deal like Gordon then I am fine with this.

$35 / 25 / 15 million works for me.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:23 pm
by OrlandO
Well it is documented that Weltman hopes to negotiate and sign him... he's already said this like 3 times in the past couple months after being awfully quiet about the situation earlier in the season. I am guessing Weltman is looking for something in the 20-25m range, possibly three years rather than four. The question is, is that a negotiating tactic or does he actually have a hard figure in mind. I suppose Vuc can gain or lose a few million per year depending on how he plays in the post season... if we get there.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:25 pm
by SOUL
Sign him for the right price. Would absolutely welcome him back on a short term deal, not interested in a longer deal, however. Hopefully there is something mutually beneficial.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 9:40 pm
by p0peye
It's one of those "do it and you'll regret it, don't do it and you'll regret that too" situations.

Fortunately or unfortunately, it is not really up to us if we will be able to keep him or not. He might choose to walk away regardless of our offer and despite of his warm feelings for the city of Orlando.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 10:37 pm
by BadHombre
We *should* let him go. Follow the Net's example and move our Brook Lopez and try to find out Russell. We will have the option to sign Birch, or many other capable C's, to cheaper deals whilst we wait on Bamba. Once we sign Vuc, though, we won't have the option to sign any SGs with potential.

Or, you sign him, and hope that this 1 season in a 7 season sample with us, isn't just a contract year outlier. And then hope we get lucky in the draft or with a big trade. Vuc has a track record of getting lazy, especially on defense, and Clifford has a track record of his teams stagnating after their first season with him. That's a dangerous combo.

It's all gambles in the end. You just have to choose whether to stick with the devil you know, or taking a chance on a new direction.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 11:07 pm
by Mauro Pedrosa
Let him walk. Thanks for the memories (unironically)

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 11:47 pm
by MagicFan101
Given we don't know the free agency market value for Vuc, the health of Bamba or the trade value for either of them ... can we simply say:

"Whatever is best for the Orlando Magic?"

All it takes is one team to surprise you with the right offer and all goes out the window. No one is untouchable on this roster and no one is worth anchoring our financial future to.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Fri Apr 5, 2019 11:51 pm
by MoMM
Re-sign him, 80-100M 4-year deal.

Keep Bamba for now, since his value is all-time low.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:26 am
by Skin
JF5 wrote:
Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


You're ridiculous... There is no way in hell Kemba is coming here unless there is another star/all-star caliber player on this team. The man is pushing 30 and there is no way he'd wait for a bunch of young/raw players to develop within 3-4 years. It would be no different than him staying with Charlotte.

If the Magic want a shot at immediate competition they'll resign Vuc. If they want to go the complete rebuild route which will take 3-4 years they'll let him walk.

We'll see who's ridiculous when Vuc gets his new contract. I bet I won't be too far off.

But you are right... There is no way in hell Kemba is coming here. Not sure where that memo started off from. Are you seriously thinking that's happening?

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:28 am
by Skin
MagicFan101 wrote:
Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


$120M over 4 years (minimum) is starter money to you? That is $30M a year man.

Yes, 10 players in the league are making $30M or more this season. But those are not “starters” those are SUPER STARS.

There are 30 teams who start 5 players a game. So if every league we’re to play just one lineup all year then you have 150 starters in the league.

The #150 highest salary in the league this year is Jeremy Lamb at $7.5M.

Yes, Vuc will get starter money but the right price is somewhere between $30M and $7.5M ... all of which is still “starter money” according to the data.

Go ahead and talk semantics. It's neither here or there. The point is a new 4 year big money deal means there is no path of succession for Bamba in the next 4 years and we wasted a high pick on him.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:29 am
by Catledge
I would offer him $100m over 5 years. If we can get him on a descending deal, that's around 17% of the salary cap in his last year, which is totally reasonable.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:31 am
by Skin
OrlandO wrote:Well it is documented that Weltman hopes to negotiate and sign him... he's already said this like 3 times in the past couple months after being awfully quiet about the situation earlier in the season. I am guessing Weltman is looking for something in the 20-25m range, possibly three years rather than four. The question is, is that a negotiating tactic or does he actually have a hard figure in mind. I suppose Vuc can gain or lose a few million per year depending on how he plays in the post season... if we get there.

Fully believe that Vuc surprised them. They were planning for Bamba to have a future here, but are now going to scrap that plan because Vuc has done enough to impress them.

Our future is murky and questionable.

Re: What should Orlando do with Vuc?

Posted: Sat Apr 6, 2019 12:32 am
by MoMM
Skin wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:
Skin wrote:Everyone is gonna vote "sign him for the right price", but everyone is gonna disagree on what that right price is.

I think he'll get 4 years, $120M at the minimum... is that ya'lls right price? That's 4 year starter money. Kiss Bamba good bye.


$120M over 4 years (minimum) is starter money to you? That is $30M a year man.

Yes, 10 players in the league are making $30M or more this season. But those are not “starters” those are SUPER STARS.

There are 30 teams who start 5 players a game. So if every league we’re to play just one lineup all year then you have 150 starters in the league.

The #150 highest salary in the league this year is Jeremy Lamb at $7.5M.

Yes, Vuc will get starter money but the right price is somewhere between $30M and $7.5M ... all of which is still “starter money” according to the data.

Go ahead and talk semantics. It's neither here or there. The point is a new 4 year big money deal means there is no path of succession for Bamba in the next 4 years and we wasted a high pick on him.

It's not the 1st, neither the last time, that a team will waste a high pick.

We had Hezonja a few years ago, for example. 76ers wasted Fultz when they could have Tatum + another pick.