Any chance Orlando can trade for Bradley Beal?

orthoman · Post #1 » by **orthoman** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 3:58 pm

I have a question for all of you...

Bradley Beal has some issues with the direction the Wizards are going. I know he went to UF.

Is trading for Beal a consideration the Magic should entertain?

Or, should Orlando just invest effort/money in Terrence Ross?

Any chance Vucevic could be traded in the near future and we go with Bamba at center?

Thoughts?

Post #2 » by **Knightro** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:03 pm

orthoman wrote:I have a question for all of you...

Bradley Beal has some issues with the direction the Wizards are going. I know he went to UF.

Is trading for Beal a consideration the Magic should entertain?

Or, should Orlando just invest effort/money in Terrence Ross?

Any chance Vucevic could be traded in the near future and we go with Bamba at center?

Thoughts?

-Trading for Bradley Beal should absolutely be a consideration for the Magic. Unfortunately, I don't think Orlando will have anywhere close to the most competitive offer compared to other teams.

-Orlando will likely resign Terrence Ross. As it always does, the $ will be the ultimate factor, but the odds of him getting a bigger usage role on another team seem very slim.

-Vucevic is a free agent to be. If the Magic end up resigning him, the earliest they could trade him would be essentially mid December of 2019. I'm very hard pressed to envision a scenario where Bamba is ready to be a starting NBA center by December of 2019.

MagicFan101 · Post #3 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:04 pm

Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

Yes, he is a very good player and yes he would be an upgrade.

BUT ...

Many players in the league would be an upgrade to our backcourt. Why is everyone so obsessed with this one particular B-list star?

OrlChamps2030 · Post #4 » by **OrlChamps2030** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:20 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

Yes, he is a very good player and yes he would be an upgrade.

BUT ...

Many players in the league would be an upgrade to our backcourt. Why is everyone so obsessed with this one particular B-list star?

He’s a young 25 year old all star gunner that fits today’s meta perfectly and is locked into his deal for 2 more years. He could also possibly hit the trade market

For OP - I don’t think we would want to trade Isaac, and without Isaac I don’t think it would be a competitive enough offer

NBlue · Post #5 » by **NBlue** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:23 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

Yes, he is a very good player and yes he would be an upgrade.

BUT ...

Many players in the league would be an upgrade to our backcourt. Why is everyone so obsessed with this one particular B-list star?

If we are upgrading at the 2 I cant really think of any better player that we have a reasonable chance in acquiring. Am I missing someone you think is a better 2 out there we could reasonably acquire? I don't see it.

I think the deal would likely be Mozgov, Bamba + our 2019 first round picks. Obviously, we would rather move Evan but I'm guessing that the Wiz would certainly prefer the Mozgov contract and we would probably do it. That said, I also agree that they will likely get a more lucrative offer than ours. I suppose that possibly we could throw in a 2021 first rounder but not sure exactly how valuable that would be or if it would tip the scales.

BadMofoPimp · Post #6 » by **BadMofoPimp** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:36 pm

Basically, there is nothing the Magic can offer that some other team could provide in a better offer.

OrlandO · Post #7 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:44 pm

To trade for Beal he would have to request a trade... I think we're at least a year away from that happening.

trebone · Post #8 » by **trebone** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:46 pm

It would make our cap sheet look pretty bad to get him, wed at least have to take back mahinmi and another bad contract plus give up at a minimum Bamba/evan and picks

NBlue · Post #9 » by **NBlue** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 4:59 pm

OrlandO wrote:To trade for Beal he would have to request a trade... I think we're at least a year away from that happening.

Why on earth do you feel that way? I'm not saying that the Wiz will definitely move Beal but that sure seems likely. They already moved Porter and Wall will not be able to return until at least after the allstar break in 2020. So if I am the new Wiz GM I am definitely looking to start super fresh and get some potential phenom young player along with a couple firsts for Beal and then tank hard next year and look to come back strong with a healthy Wall and a solid crop of youngsters in 20-21 rather than go into that year hoping and praying you don't lose Beal for nothing.

I guess if you are the Wiz GM you could just keep Beal and try to sneak in as a 7 or 8 seed next year and then hope to resign him after that but if I'm their GM I definitely think a fresh start would be the way I would go -- especially with Beal's current value so high. Why do you feel that is a virtual impossibility absent Beal requesting a trade?

NBlue · Post #10 » by **NBlue** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:05 pm

trebone wrote:It would make our cap sheet look pretty bad to get him, wed at least have to take back mahinmi and another bad contract plus give up at a minimum Bamba/evan and picks

Mahinmi only has one year left on his deal at 15M -- don't see why we wouldn't take him in a heartbeat to get Beal. They don't have any other bad contracts (in fact the only players under contract for next year are Troy Brown, Mahinmi, Beal & Wall + D12 has a player option at the MLE) aside from, of course, Wall and no one is taking that.

Of course, if we did that we would be going over the cap to resign Vooch. I think we would do that though.

OrlandO · Post #11 » by **OrlandO** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:14 pm

NBlue wrote:
OrlandO wrote:To trade for Beal he would have to request a trade... I think we're at least a year away from that happening.

Why on earth do you feel that way? I'm not saying that the Wiz will definitely move Beal but that sure seems likely. They already moved Porter and Wall will not be able to return until at least after the allstar break in 2020. So if I am the new Wiz GM I am definitely looking to start super fresh and get some potential phenom young player along with a couple firsts for Beal and then tank hard next year and look to come back strong with a healthy Wall and a solid crop of youngsters in 20-21 rather than go into that year hoping and praying you don't lose Beal for nothing.

I guess if you are the Wiz GM you could just keep Beal and try to sneak in as a 7 or 8 seed next year and then hope to resign him after that but if I'm their GM I definitely think a fresh start would be the way I would go -- especially with Beal's current value so high. Why do you feel that is a virtual impossibility absent Beal requesting a trade?

Because that's what usually happens? 25 years old averaging 28/6/5/2 without Wall. Please show me the teams who have traded their young star player before their contract year without said player requesting out. Teams don't actually want to go through a full rebuild... that's why they tend to exhaust all options to satisfy their star before they tap out. The Wiz likely won't be any different.

MagicFan101 · Post #12 » by **MagicFan101** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 5:41 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

Yes, he is a very good player and yes he would be an upgrade.

BUT ...

Many players in the league would be an upgrade to our backcourt. Why is everyone so obsessed with this one particular B-list star?

He’s a young 25 year old all star gunner that fits today’s meta perfectly and is locked into his deal for 2 more years. He could also possibly hit the trade market

For OP - I don’t think we would want to trade Isaac, and without Isaac I don’t think it would be a competitive enough offer

We would have to gut our roster to trade for a guy already bored with the fringe playoff roster.

If he hits the trade market it will be in his final year when he demands a trade. Would we be a team he would openly resign with despite pieces sacrifices in the deal?

Yes, if you told me we could have Beal on a 4+ year deal at the cost of AG + a draft pick then absolutely. But that isn’t the scenario right now. So I ask again ...

Why scream so much about this one specific guy right now? If we are going to live in fantasy land then dream bigger ...

drsd · Post #13 » by **drsd** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:00 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

I absolutely thing Fournier will fully readapt to his SG role on this team. Beal on a super-Max deal vs. Fournier on a 17M deal, this is straight forward for me.

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NBlue · Post #14 » by **NBlue** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 7:54 pm

OrlandO wrote:
NBlue wrote:
OrlandO wrote:To trade for Beal he would have to request a trade... I think we're at least a year away from that happening.

Why on earth do you feel that way? I'm not saying that the Wiz will definitely move Beal but that sure seems likely. They already moved Porter and Wall will not be able to return until at least after the allstar break in 2020. So if I am the new Wiz GM I am definitely looking to start super fresh and get some potential phenom young player along with a couple firsts for Beal and then tank hard next year and look to come back strong with a healthy Wall and a solid crop of youngsters in 20-21 rather than go into that year hoping and praying you don't lose Beal for nothing.

I guess if you are the Wiz GM you could just keep Beal and try to sneak in as a 7 or 8 seed next year and then hope to resign him after that but if I'm their GM I definitely think a fresh start would be the way I would go -- especially with Beal's current value so high. Why do you feel that is a virtual impossibility absent Beal requesting a trade?

Because that's what usually happens? 25 years old averaging 28/6/5/2 without Wall. Please show me the teams who have traded their young star player before their contract year without said player requesting out. Teams don't actually want to go through a full rebuild... that's why they tend to exhaust all options to satisfy their star before they tap out. The Wiz likely won't be any different.

I guess we will see. Obviously most teams with young star players don't trade them. But in light of all of the factors noted above it may make a lot of sense for the Wiz to trade Beal this offseason. Will they? Who knows.

MoMM · Post #15 » by **MoMM** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:22 pm

How about AG for McCollum?

p0peye · Post #16 » by **p0peye** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 9:47 pm

Am I the only one who likes our roster with improved Isaac in 2021? And even moreso in 2023 with Bamba as starter?

Xatticus · Post #17 » by **Xatticus** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:08 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

Yes, he is a very good player and yes he would be an upgrade.

BUT ...

Many players in the league would be an upgrade to our backcourt. Why is everyone so obsessed with this one particular B-list star?

Because they smell blood in the water. Everyone assumes that bad teams are desperate and will unload their stars on the cheap. Even if this were true, the problem is that there are 29 other teams in the league and the team that wins is the one that can make the most attractive offer. That won't be us.

It makes sense to consolidate when you have excess assets (e.g. Boston). We have used every scrap of what we have to squeak into the playoffs. It's not fit that holds us back. It is a lack of talent. Paying a high price to bring in Beal won't make us better because we can't afford to pay a high price without gutting our roster.

On top of all of this, Washington has no actual reason to trade Beal at the moment. They have problems, but Beal isn't among them. This only changes if Beal uses his own agency to try to force Washington's hand.

Xatticus · Post #18 » by **Xatticus** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:14 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:Why is everyone so obsessed with Bradley Beal?

I absolutely thing Fournier will fully readapt to his SG role on this team. Beal on a super-Max deal vs. Fournier on a 17M deal, this is straight forward for me.

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I don't think there is any way that Fournier is still on the roster if we trade for Beal. I'm pretty sure those guys hate one another.

nymets1 · Post #19 » by **nymets1** » Wed Apr 10, 2019 10:18 pm

If Bradley Beal wanted to be traded and wants Orlando, Just come out and say I want to be traded to the Magic and no where else lol. Even if you get fined, Lol you make so much money.

Hogified05 · Post #20 » by **Hogified05** » Sat Apr 13, 2019 7:19 am

Here's the deal to me. I think we might be a top 4 seed if we had a consistent 20 point scorer at the 2 guard all year. You see what happen down the stretch when Evan started to ball. I like me some Evan, I really do. And I'm ok with running this team back, whatever this team is easy to root for.

But I don't think we ever contend with the team as is and unfortunately I think Evan is a big reason why. Maybe 50 wins and a trip to the 2nd round is maxed out with this team with Evan at the 2.

Anyways all that to say if we had Beal instead of Evan we probably are a top 5 seed maybe flirting with a conference finals run.

Here's the deal. If Washington wants to start over Evan and Bamba for Beal works in the trade machine. I'd hate to deal Bamba so early but if we resign Vuc, Birch has proven to be a great back up. Plus Bamba is a great piece for Washington to build around and sell fans on.

Fultz/DJ/MCW
Beal/Ross/MCW
AG/Ross/Wes
Isaac/ Draft pick/FA
Vuc/Birch