Blue_and_Whte wrote:Told you. If AG is our leading scorer we'll get blown out. They did a great job containing Vuc, and we cant stop Saikam
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Our all star is soft. That's our problem.
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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Told you. If AG is our leading scorer we'll get blown out. They did a great job containing Vuc, and we cant stop Saikam
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thelead wrote:Rainwater wrote:thelead wrote:True but if we wipe the slates clean, I think we would do a better job of filling around AG and Isaac than any other 2 players out of the group playing these playoffs. It is way easier to find better scoring guards than DJ and Evan... let alone replacing DJ's and Evan's 'defense'.
With the exception of Mo, fultz and JI (based on their youth) there is not one guy I would build this team around. You build your team around superstars and the magic don't have that as of yet.
Yeah but I'm thinking of contracts as well when I make that statement. You can sign a superstar if you don't have Vuc and Evan on the team taking up north of 40 mil of your cap space (If Vuc signs for 23 or more per).
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Told you. If AG is our leading scorer we'll get blown out. They did a great job containing Vuc, and we cant stop Saikam
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Blue_and_Whte wrote:Told you. If AG is our leading scorer we'll get blown out. They did a great job containing Vuc, and we cant stop Saikam
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Bensational wrote:Rainwater wrote:thelead wrote:I don't think there should be any questions about Gordon and Isaac working long term. The real question is, does Isaac develop a more complete offensive game? He is 21, so I see no reason why he can't as he develops his body.
Hell, I think the Gordon and Isaac pairing is one of the surest things we have.
I completely disagree, its not a sure thing at all. They are redundant. One has to become a better shooter/ball handler/scorer to make it work. Unless one makes the improvement one has to be moved.
They are the least of our problems. The very least. They're both strong defenders and can contribute on offense. Meanwhile we've got 2 starting backcourt players who aren't providing much at all. That should be the focus of attention and not this ridiculous fabrication that AG and Isaac can't, let alone aren't working well together.
thelead wrote:Magic#1 wrote:In the biggest game of our season, Norman Powell would be the third highest scorer on our team right now. That's a problem.
The biggest problem is that our all star center, who is looking for a huge payday, has only shown up for 1 of 16 quarters so far. He consistently has made mistakes and rushed easy plays. He does not play winning basketball in the modern NBA.
AreBe wrote:I come in peace.thelead wrote:Magic#1 wrote:In the biggest game of our season, Norman Powell would be the third highest scorer on our team right now. That's a problem.
The biggest problem is that our all star center, who is looking for a huge payday, has only shown up for 1 of 16 quarters so far. He consistently has made mistakes and rushed easy plays. He does not play winning basketball in the modern NBA.
The other possibility is that the Raptors coaching staff made a decision that Nikola Vučević wasn't going to beat them. Marc Gasol is playing outstanding defense, absolutely outstanding defense. (And his job on offence is to be another point guard and only shoot if the other team insists that he just go into the paint and dunk or hit that mid- range jump shot or if the other team particularly insists make a 3)
The Raptors have been here before and know that in the playoffs (1)things happen fast, (2) every possession counts and (3) defense is more important than offence.
It's a learning curve.
Whatever you're feeling now is wrong.
If in the next game, if Orlando goes down 10, if Orlando keeps trying to hit 10 point shots, instead of the slow and steady 2 and then get back on defense, then you are right to be furious. That should be the take-home from this game: there are no 10 point shots.
There's also that Kawhi Leonard fellow.
Rainwater wrote:Bensational wrote:Rainwater wrote:
I completely disagree, its not a sure thing at all. They are redundant. One has to become a better shooter/ball handler/scorer to make it work. Unless one makes the improvement one has to be moved.
They are the least of our problems. The very least. They're both strong defenders and can contribute on offense. Meanwhile we've got 2 starting backcourt players who aren't providing much at all. That should be the focus of attention and not this ridiculous fabrication that AG and Isaac can't, let alone aren't working well together.
I was agreeing with this post until you said it was a fabrication. We may agree to disagree, but you can't have two non-playmaking/ non-scoring/non-shooters playing at the 3 and 4 in todays nba. You may be able to get away with it if you had an all-star backcourt but that is definitely a problem.
MagicMatic wrote:OrlandO wrote:There are going to be so many salty fans when we run back the same team more or less. I really doubt weltman is going to turn into a tanker just because of a few playoff games against a contender. The Magic took a step this season. They will need to continue developing and tweaking to take another step.
Yeah how is that? Free agency? Pick #16? Or resigning players that have done nothing for us in the playoffs?
None of those are tweaks. They are either non options, making mandatory selections, and maintaining the status quo. Nobody has suggested tanking. People just don’t want to watch the same ineffective offense and limited options. It’s funny that whenever anyone criticizes the FO’s decisions (or lack thereof) they immediately claim tanking as the alternative when it’s never even suggested.
OrlandO wrote:MagicMatic wrote:OrlandO wrote:There are going to be so many salty fans when we run back the same team more or less. I really doubt weltman is going to turn into a tanker just because of a few playoff games against a contender. The Magic took a step this season. They will need to continue developing and tweaking to take another step.
Yeah how is that? Free agency? Pick #16? Or resigning players that have done nothing for us in the playoffs?
None of those are tweaks. They are either non options, making mandatory selections, and maintaining the status quo. Nobody has suggested tanking. People just don’t want to watch the same ineffective offense and limited options. It’s funny that whenever anyone criticizes the FO’s decisions (or lack thereof) they immediately claim tanking as the alternative when it’s never even suggested.
What exactly do you think is going to happen if two key players walk for nothing? We would be a team full of really young players with no dependable shooters/scorers. That's a recipe for a 25 win team again and that's a tough sell to even lower tier free agents.
If Weltman thinks re-signing Vuc and Ross will allow him to develop his youth in 82 meaningful regular season games and get them some playoff experience for the next few years while he hunts in the draft, free agency and trade market to further improve the team then he'll probably be content with that. The build doesn't stop with this generation of team. 6 years from now we could be contenders with 95% different players, but it won't mean the previous players on the roster didn't play a role in getting the franchise from point a to b.
thelead wrote:We're the 7th seed only because Blake got injured (and we were mostly healthy). Now, imagine KD, Kyrie and Ja or Zion joining the Knicks...
There is good chance that we won't be in the playoffs next year even if we bring Vuc back.
OrlandO wrote:thelead wrote:We're the 7th seed only because Blake got injured (and we were mostly healthy). Now, imagine KD, Kyrie and Ja or Zion joining the Knicks...
There is good chance that we won't be in the playoffs next year even if we bring Vuc back.
You don't think Grant crippled the bench for the first 50 games? We could very well be sixth if we made a simple upgrade a month sooner. AG and Isaac won't get better? Not one bench position will be upgraded? There is a good chance this playoff thing is sustainable.
And isn't it easier to imagine the knicks failing to acquire a star in free agency this summer?
thelead wrote:OrlandO wrote:thelead wrote:We're the 7th seed only because Blake got injured (and we were mostly healthy). Now, imagine KD, Kyrie and Ja or Zion joining the Knicks...
There is good chance that we won't be in the playoffs next year even if we bring Vuc back.
You don't think Grant crippled the bench for the first 50 games? We could very well be sixth if we made a simple upgrade a month sooner. AG and Isaac won't get better? Not one bench position will be upgraded? There is a good chance this playoff thing is sustainable.
And isn't it easier to imagine the knicks failing to acquire a star in free agency this summer?
All true but I'm sticking to the 'only sign moveable contracts' mantra.
OrlandO wrote:thelead wrote:OrlandO wrote:You don't think Grant crippled the bench for the first 50 games? We could very well be sixth if we made a simple upgrade a month sooner. AG and Isaac won't get better? Not one bench position will be upgraded? There is a good chance this playoff thing is sustainable.
And isn't it easier to imagine the knicks failing to acquire a star in free agency this summer?
All true but I'm sticking to the 'only sign moveable contracts' mantra.
What's a movable contract?
thelead wrote:OrlandO wrote:thelead wrote:All true but I'm sticking to the 'only sign moveable contracts' mantra.
What's a movable contract?
A contract that you don’t have to include assets when trading.