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The Future is bright 

Post#1 » by PrimeThyme » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:16 am

Regardless of the outcome of this series, I am very excited about this team going forward. As Ive said before, we are flat out ahead of schedule at this point. When you have 16 mill tied up to a player that hasn't logged a single minute this year && 14 mill tied up to two guys in Bamba and Fultz who haven't played/barely played either It makes things hard. Our bench rotation (though they play hard and I have grown to like them) consists of guys that were borderline NBA players/2nd round picks and it shows.

We have zero players on this team that can consistently create off the dribble. One of the reasons why I love the Fultz trade is because he can be the answer to that problem. I fully believe that Fultz is going to be a difference maker for this team at some point next season. I know some will buy into the speculation and rumors but I believe in the diagnosis he was given and trust this medical staff.

I will never understand the crowd that still insists this playoff run was worthless and that we would have been better off in the lottery. Guys like Isaac and AG deserve to be the playoffs and I can guarantee you that starting to build a winning culture and letting them get a chance to play in this atmosphere they have played in the last month will benefit them greatly in the long run.

So take Isaac and AG and then add Bamba, Fultz, and NAW (or another sg at 16) to the mix and then try to tell me that this team has no future or this roster is strapped for talent. We are a player that can create off the dribble (whether that be fultz, someone at 16, or someone in free agency next year) and an upgraded bench away from being a real threat in this league.

No matter the outcome of this series, in no world can I not consider this season a success and a big step in the right direction. I have long been a doubter of this franchise as well, but I can finally for the first time in 5 years see light at the end of the tunnel again.
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Re: The Future is bright 

Post#2 » by SOUL » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:21 am

Obligatory "with 42/32 shooter in Isaac, injured player in Bamba, Fultz mystery? AG who has reached his peak" post.

I agree though. I like the versatility the team can put on the floor if they all pan out. Still no impact scorer which we definitely need to get somehow. I hope we don't commit to the exact same team next year.
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Post#3 » by basketballRob » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:29 am

I think the core is AG, Bamba, Isaac, and Fultz.

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Post#4 » by Ducklett » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:33 am

Honestly, I think people forget how meaningless on average picks after the lotto are. 16 is more likely to be out of the league or in the G-League than part of our core. More so than usual with how horrible this draft class appears to be.
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Post#5 » by Yorkex » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:39 am

Gordon should take this experience as motivation
He has all the tools to be an allstar . He should continue working on his shot , when it was falling we couldn't defend him.
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Post#6 » by SHAQ32 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:44 am

Not until we get a PG
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Post#7 » by Bensational » Mon Apr 22, 2019 1:52 am

Gordon and Isaac are the future in my eyes. I fully expect Isaac to start trending into a Siakam like offensive presence over the next two seasons. Gordon is getting smarter and better right in front of us. And defensively, we they set a great standard.

Fultz, I agree, is a potential difference maker. But we can't bank on him yet. Bamba can eventually add to the length of our front court which was a large part of giving Toronto trouble in the first game. But he's 2 seasons away from being able to make a strong impact, IMO.

But the backcourt is still empty. Without Fultz, we have zero potential in that area. NAW is my guy in the draft and I think he could become a Brogdon type player at least. Hopefully we can draft him.

We need to find a way to add a player like JRue, Beal or even Jalen Brown. Someone who can go and get a bucket. I suspect that will cost us Bamba, which I can deal with if we retain Vuc.

With one of those backcourt players and Fultz maximising his potential, then we become a special team. WeHam would just need to continue to fill out the bench with quality cheap depth like Birch, Iwundu and Briscoe - but preferably some guys who can score the ball.

Vuc/Birch
Gordon/?
Isaac/Iwundu
JRue/NAW
Fultz/MCW/Briscoe

That's a team built for the now and the future.
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Post#8 » by doct3r dr3 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:14 am

counterpoint: amazing contract years from vucevic and ross combined with cliff's first-year charm to produce a fluke season that masked the fact that the core fundamentally sucks

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Post#9 » by SOUL » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:34 am

doct3r dr3 wrote:counterpoint: amazing contract years from vucevic and ross combined with cliff's first-year charm to produce a fluke season that masked the fact that the core fundamentally sucks

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counter-counterpoint: a future can still be bright with a worse record and amazing contract years may lead to a better record in the short-term, but resigning said players may inhibit an even higher ceiling in the future, especially if said players do not have "amazing" seasons.

that being said, our core desperately needs a star scorer. even if we had a potentially higher ceiling with bamba/gordon/isaac/fultz all working out to realistic ceilings, it's not enough in today's NBA to take us to the ECF.
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Post#10 » by Rainwater » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:40 am

I have been all in on going the Mo, JI and Fultz route and letting go of Ross and Vuc. But we must admit to ourselves first that next season will not be pretty in that case, lol.
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Post#11 » by Solid Snake » Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:58 am

Yep i feel we're going in the right direction, this current roster can progress when we just achieve more balance. Fultz to me is the key, if he can come back 100% then he has the chance to speed up the process. I like how Isaac is progressing, i feel his weaknesses are clearly defined so he'll know exactly what to work on in the offseason. Vuc should still be here imo, because Bamba isn't ready to step in just yet i think he needs 2 more years but his talent deserves time to grow. Fournier, i'm done with him man he just is too inconsistent and he isn't much of a playmaker. Would LOVE to be able to replace him with Jrue Holiday(long shot) and then Draft NAW if possible, then we would have a bevy of ballhandlers/shooters/playmakers.
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Post#12 » by pepe1991 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:37 am

Future is unknown ,because present wasn't built on backs of young players, quite opposite actually.
Team turned around when Bamba got hurt.

Fultz didn't play basketball in 2019.


Future , grim or bright will be determinated by decisions of Weltman and Hammond, as even blind man can see that Gordon/isaac pairing is bad and that one has to be shipped to add guard player and 3 point specialist.
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Post#13 » by cedric76 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:39 am

Future is mega bright

Fultz, ag, Isaac, bamba, #16

I really hope we can convince kemba to come here

He ll be perfect here with all our lengthy defenders
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Post#14 » by JordanBPeterson » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:49 am

I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.
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Post#15 » by pepe1991 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:55 am

JordanBPeterson wrote:I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.



I respect opinion, in same time you guys have to worry about your own team.
Leonard will leave Raptors for Clippers or Lakers and you will be stuck paying Lowry, Ibaka and Gasol, Powell and Vleet $98 M
As for Brogdon, you refer to him as a "Kid". On start of next season "kid" Brogdon will be 27, but Vučević (29) and Ross (28) are outdated? Brogdon won ROY by being almost 25 years old.
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Post#16 » by JordanBPeterson » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:57 am

pepe1991 wrote:
JordanBPeterson wrote:I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.



I respect opinion, in same time you guys have to worry about your own team.
Leonard will leave Raptors for Clippers or Lakers and you will be stuck paying Lowry, Ibaka and Gasol, Powell and Vleet $98 M
Oh believe me I am worried - maybe you have some suggestions?

Its very possible that after this post-season Raps are in a worse situation than Magic. I fully acknowledge that.
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Post#17 » by SOUL » Mon Apr 22, 2019 4:57 am

JordanBPeterson wrote:I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.


I agree about offering Brogdon a contract, even with Fultz. Can't just go all in on Fultz. Vuc/Ross is tough because of the spot we're in, but I'm leaning toward letting them walk from the contracts they will realistically want.

It'll be interesting to see where we go this offseason.
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Post#18 » by pepe1991 » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:02 am

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pepe1991 wrote:
JordanBPeterson wrote:I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.



I respect opinion, in same time you guys have to worry about your own team.
Leonard will leave Raptors for Clippers or Lakers and you will be stuck paying Lowry, Ibaka and Gasol, Powell and Vleet $98 M
Oh believe me I am worried - maybe you have some suggestions?

Its very possible that after this post-season Raps are in a worse situation than Magic. I fully acknowledge that.


If Leonard leaves try to bribe Gasol to opt out of player's option :lol:

You guys really didn't need to keep Ibaka on that salary.
As for Brogdon, i don't mind him, but in age context, he is just year -year and half younger than Ross. ( 21 months difference i think ).
He was just super old rookie so people forget that he is turning 27 soon.
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Post#19 » by Rainwater » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:03 am

JordanBPeterson wrote:I took an interest in the Magic this year because I had Gordon on my fantasy and actually bet on a number of games that the Magic actually covered.

If you'll forgive me for intruding on the conversation - I thought there might be the off chance some of you might be temporarily interested (even if only for a minute) what someone like me - who has no emotional connection to any player on the Magic roster - would do this offseason.

I would start by letting Vuc and Ross walk. They're both fine players but ultimately they're not going to move the needle for you in any meaningful way; the one caveat is if Vuc is really generous and agrees to come back for Mozgov money (unlikely to happen I know but its a caveat afterall) otherwise you immediately move in a different direction.

Secondly, offer Brogdon a contract that will make it very difficult for Bucks to match (they're 99% likely to match anything but you have to try) you want to do everything you can to lure this kid over and make him the guy going forward. He is the best insurance policy in case the Fultz experiment goes to ****. Best case scenario if Fultz works-out then you have two awesome guards to lead the backcourt and then you basically won't have to worry about that area for a long while. Other options would be DRose who's another guard who would be a perfect mentor for Fultz.

You're stuck with Fournier for the foreseeable future I'm afraid but at least you don't have to obsess over shooting - with Ross gone I'd simply have Gordon take more shots over 36 min per instead of 33.

Lastly get Deandre Jordan to come over to just help with rebounding on a fair deal.

Basically you're playing a hand wherein you're betting long on Gordon, Fultz, Issac and Bamba - if two of those guys pan-out then you're very close to making a run without having to endure another rebuild.

You want to salvage the good pieces you have and build slowly that way but without giving money to players that aren't going to do much for you. Vuc is a classic situation where its very tempting to pay a guy with such great production but its not the production you really need to get the team moving in the direction you want it go.


Pretty much post of the tread in my opinion
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Re: The Future is bright 

Post#20 » by Yuri Vaultin » Mon Apr 22, 2019 5:46 am

I think Isaac will develop in to something special and he'd be the guy I'd tie my hopes to and build around.
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