Skin wrote:How about trade value wise? If he's given a new contract around $25M per year, who do you think we could get? If he's top 10 in the league then that just leaves a short list of players not available for trade, right?
Your entire argument has been that Vucevic isn't that good and will have bad trade value if paid...but somehow you rationalize that he will get a $100m dollar contract. That entire argument is a contradiction.
Now, facing statistical evidence showing how effective he was all year long, your argument is that in a trade he won't get an equal player to those stats? Wow.
Vucevic will be at peak prime for at very least the first two years of his next contract. His skill set and health history are usually characteristics of bigs that age well and remain productive.
Some recent transactions involving big's:
...Marc Gasol who was owed remainder of (18-19) $24m + (19-20) $26m fully guaranteed just returned: a good emerging young PG (Delon Wright), a solid young C (Jonas Valenciunas), a solid 3-D vet bench wing on a cheap/short term contract (CJ Miles) and the 38th pick in 2019 draft.
...Brook Lopez + 27th pick got Brooklyn D'Angelo Russell
...Greg Monroe + heavily protected 1st (didn't convey in 2018 or 2019 drafts, protected top 8 in 2020) got Milwaukee Eric Bledsoe
Bigs, traditionally, don't fetch good trade value, and those 3 deals aren't really relevant to what Vuc's future situation would be.
Lopez - was an expiring contract, which was LA's primary interest.
Monroe - also expiring.
Gasol - was on a player option, but also traded for Val who's also on a player option and could walk. Wright and Miles isn't an exciting return.
Bigs have frequently highly paid and then they become albatross contracts that aren't easily moved. Here's a recent list of C's who have signed deals in the last 4 years, and the returns they generated if traded:
Tyson Chandler (33), $13M (PHO)/ 2018 - waived by Phoenix
DeAndre Jordan (27), $19.5M (LAC)
B.Lopez (27), $20M (BKN)/ 2017 - traded with Kuzma for Mozgov + Russell
R.Lopez (27), $13M (NYK)/ 2016 - traded with Calderon and Jerian Grant to Chicago for Rose (huge contract), Holiday and a pick.
G.Monroe (25), $16.4M (MIL)/ 2017 - traded as expiring along with 1st round pick for Bledsoe
Kanter (23), $16.4M (OKC)/ 2017 - traded with McDermott for Carmello Anthony. 2019 - waived by Knicks.
M. Gasol (31), $19.7M (MEM)/ 2019 - traded for Miles, Valanciunas and Wright.
Biyombo (24), $17M (ORL)/ 2018 - traded to Charlotte for Mozgov
Ian Mahinmi (30), $17M (WAS)
Whiteside (27), $22M (MIA)
Horford (30), $26.5M (BOS)
Mozgov (30), $17M (LAL)/ 2017 - traded with Russell for Lopez + Kuzma/ 2018 - traded for Dwight Howard (exp), then for Biyombo.
Noah (31), $17M (NYK)/ 2018 - waived by Knicks
Dwight Howard (31), $23M (ATL) / 2017 - traded to CHA for Miles Plumlee + Belinelli. 2018 - traded to BKN for Mozgov.
P. Gasol (36), $16M (SAS) / 2019 - waived by SAS
Drummond (23), $22M (DET)
Ibaka (28), $20M (TOR)
Mason Plumlee (27), $14M (DEN)/ Season prior, traded for Nurkic.
DeAndre Jordan (30), $24M (DAL)/ 2019 traded as expiring (team option) along with DSJR for Porzingis + Hardaway Jr
B.Lopez (30), $3M (MIL)
Nurkic (24), $11M (POR)
So as you can see, the only times C's returned value in trades was as expiring contracts, at extremely fortunate times (Lakers wanting capspace for Bron, Bledsoe wanting out of Phoenix, Knicks deciding to move on from Porzingis). Otherwise, C's have fetched very middling returns, and they're generally swapped for other C's on big contracts.