pepe1991 wrote:Jokić, Embiid , younger Gasol bros... yes this year Vučević played like he is that level of player. Difference is that every single one of them always had at least 1 good guard or wing to play with. Vučević had and still has non. That's why it makes all the sense in the world, after we resign him ( and that's what's going to happen , regardless of crying on internet ), to package Bamba and 16# pick and Mozgov for big guard upgrade like Holiday.
As for Oubre, guy isn't terrible ,but belongs in that Rodney Hood, Will Barton category of players that lack basketball IQ to be anything more than sparks off bench. Guy's BPM for career is fat negative on both sides, he does not help your offense or defense, his TS% is mediocre (53,5%).
If you're gonna use stats at least put things into context. Oubre did not have a good career in his earlier years. He's just starting to emerge so that's also why he's not being talked about as one of the most coveted FAs of the summer. He's still got stuff to prove, but if he does, he becomes even more of a valuable contract. Significant upside, but whatever. I can see that you only like your own ideas. You don't have to like him, like you didn't like Trae Young, Aaron Gordon, Jonathan Isaac or Mo Bamba. The only guys you've passionately defended are Hezonja, Fournier and Vucevic.
Oubre played 3 out of 4 years on teams with .500+ record.
He isn't terrible, but isn't anything special.
Based on true plus minus, he is ranked 42# among SFs. 40# by TS and 15 by PER .
He is also SF so where you gonna play him in starting line up ? Over Gordon or over Isaac ? Because you can't put career 32% 3 point shooter at SG.
He shot 29% in catch and shoots 3s for Wizards and 32% in catch and shoots for Suns. That's your context there.
He's still got stuff to prove, but if he does, he becomes even more of a valuable contract.
He is aslo restricted free agent, and when James Jones, Suns new GM was asked about Oubre last week this is what he said " Suns are looking to keep. “I’ve said before, we love Kelly,” Jones said. “We want Kelly here.”"
So he will probably be expensive , in order to push Suns into not matching offer.
You don't have to like him, like you didn't like Trae Young, Aaron Gordon, Jonathan Isaac or Mo Bamba.
Trae is 3 point specialist who never, at any competition shot better than 34% for 3, he also never played on team that was competitive or in position to ever win anything. Just him YOLO-ing contested 3s on bad teams.
Gordon still belongs in that Rudy Gay, Thad Young , Paul Millsap role player -C level star category i predicted 3 years ago.
Isaac still can't score guarded by nobody.
I liked Bamba before draft. It's not my fault that his rookie year played out this way. Only fools wanted him to start last year ,because they can't wrap their heads around strenght, conditioning and durability needed to play 82 min- 30 mpg.
The only guys you've passionately defended are Hezonja, Fournier and Vucevic.
Defended Hez through rookie year, pretty much gave up on him in second. Like everybody esle.
Never liked of defended Evan up until last 2 months. I just find hilarious that he "sucks and needs to be traded" while guy was playing season simlar to best season Gordon ever had, and same posters who claimed Evan needs to be traded, were yelling how Gordon improved
( talking about offensive production ... ).
Vučević is so much better than anybody else that it's pointless to even defend him. 21-12-4-1-1 ,allstar. Now there are some
who are so blinded with pure hate for 5 years that they can't admit how wrong they were about him but heeey
July 1 can't come fast enough to sit, eat popcorns and enjoy all the moaning after Vučević gets his well deserved 3-4 years contract.