Bensational wrote: fendilim wrote:
Bensational wrote:Saying my agenda is to have objective discussion isn't a proclamation that my opinion is objective. But I at least attempt to approach the topic as if the book isn't closed on AG. That's the difference. When you've got the same chorus of posters stating that AG hasn't improved over the years, despite very visible evidence in a complete reform of his game, it's pretty obvious that their refusing to acknowledge the growth in his game and are just trying to confirm an opinion they formed years ago.
Apparently, being a poster who's more interested in identifying the positives in AG's game upsets posters here. Who would have thought that good things could be so offensive?
No one is denying he’s been better this year, because he mostly played to his strengths, which have always been his base skills. The problem in previous years was AG was trying to do more than that, there were even reports last year about the front office being disappointed with him trying to do a lot more.
Your views on AG (ie comparing him to Kawhi) is not offensive but rather bias that’s why its being a point of discussion.
What’s offensive are the names you’ve called several posters in the past. Lol
I don't know how many times I have to explain to you that the Kawhi comparison is simply to establish a precedent potential trajectory. That's not a claim that AG will become him. I've said that a dozen times but it never seems to sink in with you. There's a whole spectrum of possibilities between where AG is now, and Kawhi's level. Just because the only interpretation you can imagine is Kawhi is your own shortcoming, not mine.
The only names I use are trolls and trash. Those pertain to the provided content of the poster. Or in other cases, they're calling out a poster on falsified data and context, and provoking them to either admit that they're doing it on purpose, or admit the alternative that they're not smart enough to understand that. Why do I need to dress up language when dealing with someone like that?
Here`s your post Ben
BadHombre wrote: fendilim wrote:
Who is? All people are saying is he's not done getting better. Hell, we thought Vuc was done getting better after he stagnated for a few years and he kicked it to another level this year.
CHECK previous pages. Even comparing him to guys like Kawhi, Paul George etc. lol
Oh and about Vuc, only haters didnt see it. Guys like Doc Rivers or Durant even said he was allstar caliber waaay back. Vuc has always had these skills, just so happens he gets the blame for all the losing.
They were lengthy posts, but I made the point several times that the comparisons aren’t to set expectations for AG to become Kawhi/George, but that development can come on late for some players.
If you can find me a SF/PF who entered the league being labelled a PF, with no real noted handling or playmaking ability, who later added that to their game, then I’m happy to run with that.
Or you can just keep being an AG Hater.
You said they arent to set expectations. Now you`re saying potential trajectory? Isnt that the same as expecting Gordon to be the same? Why would you compare his potential trajectory to Kawhi if its not to set expectations? Not only that, but all the players you compared Gordon to (Butler, George, Kawhi, Tobias, Blake, Siakam viewtopic.php?f=25&t=1804747&start=80#p72833659 ) have way different skillsets. What development are you talking about Ben? Gordon has been working hard on his offensive game every offseason, but the players you mentioned are still better than him. Gordon in 5 years, have been a better shooter. But his scoring ability has only improved a little, and not even at par with the players you mentioned at the same age. Not to mention Gordon came in the league younger, which means he`s had more professional help than the other guys you mentioned.
Like I`ve asked several times before, until when are we going to give Gordon the benefit of the doubt? Its been 5 years and this ``potential trajectory`` still exists. WOW!
Believe it or not but Siakam in his 2nd year already had better scoring ability that Gordon is in his 5th year (Rookie Siakam small sample size, but still better percentages)..
I’m not discounting his improvements as a shot maker, he has improved a little, but to have a “potential trajectory” to these guys?
Ben, I`m pretty sure you`ve used more terms than that.