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I just don't buy into the Garland hype. I certainly wouldn't use a top 5 pick on him. Colby white intrigues me the most out of all the PG prospects in this draft.

VanVleet might shoot better than 90% of our roster lol

ezzzp wrote:

Knightro wrote:Gordon for 4 is super interesting and something I would absolutely do if it meant actually unloading Gordon's salary for very little $ in return.

Hypothetical...

To LA: Davis
To ORL: 4th pick
To NOP: Ingram, Kuzma, Gordon, 2021 1st from LA, 2019 2nd from ORL

I like this a lot.

The Magic would have enough cap space to sign D'Russell + could re-sign Vucevic (at $25m range) AND they would still be around $15m below the luxury tax line. Very nice.

PG: Russell / Augustin / Fultz
SG: Fournier / x / Frazier
SF: Iwundu /
PF: Isaac /
C: Vucevic / Bamba

PLUS #4 and #16 and $4.6 Room Exception

Honest question here. Does anyone think the Nets won’t match D‘ Russell? I don’t believe it. If he leaves it’s through a sign and trade.


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NavalAviator94 wrote:

ezzzp wrote:

Knightro wrote:Gordon for 4 is super interesting and something I would absolutely do if it meant actually unloading Gordon's salary for very little $ in return.

Hypothetical...

To LA: Davis
To ORL: 4th pick
To NOP: Ingram, Kuzma, Gordon, 2021 1st from LA, 2019 2nd from ORL

I like this a lot.

The Magic would have enough cap space to sign D'Russell + could re-sign Vucevic (at $25m range) AND they would still be around $15m below the luxury tax line. Very nice.

PG: Russell / Augustin / Fultz
SG: Fournier / x / Frazier
SF: Iwundu /
PF: Isaac /
C: Vucevic / Bamba

PLUS #4 and #16 and $4.6 Room Exception

Honest question here. Does anyone think the Nets won’t match D‘ Russell? I don’t believe it. If he leaves it’s through a sign and trade.


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If they renounce their rights (to sign two max players), they won't be able to match the offer.

NavalAviator94 wrote:

ezzzp wrote:

Knightro wrote:Gordon for 4 is super interesting and something I would absolutely do if it meant actually unloading Gordon's salary for very little $ in return.

Hypothetical...

To LA: Davis
To ORL: 4th pick
To NOP: Ingram, Kuzma, Gordon, 2021 1st from LA, 2019 2nd from ORL

I like this a lot.

The Magic would have enough cap space to sign D'Russell + could re-sign Vucevic (at $25m range) AND they would still be around $15m below the luxury tax line. Very nice.

PG: Russell / Augustin / Fultz
SG: Fournier / x / Frazier
SF: Iwundu /
PF: Isaac /
C: Vucevic / Bamba

PLUS #4 and #16 and $4.6 Room Exception

Honest question here. Does anyone think the Nets won’t match D‘ Russell? I don’t believe it. If he leaves it’s through a sign and trade.


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If Brooklyn can get a 2nd tier FA to sign along with Kyrie then DLo is leaving on his own will and Nets won't bother matching.

What I think will be interesting is how quickly it all happens in terms of Nets getting good feeling about signing another star/2nd Tier FA and then DLo offers coming in. Would 18-20M be enough to pull Dlo out of Brooklyn if they get a 2nd star or will it require 22-25M? WIll be very interesting to see who gets linked/puts in the offer for him

I was thinking that KD and Irving would team up in Brooklyn, but after KD's injury I don't think it will happen anymore.

For me, the best plan for the Nets would be sign Irving, keep D-Lo, trade Dinwiddie and sign a frontcourt player with the remaining cap. How about Cousins? He was a beast that won't ask for a LOT of money, so perhaps they could gamble on him.

All these injuries to some of the upcoming Free agents this year could really have a domino effect. Some teams will miss out on a guy they thought they had and now will have to decide on spending that money on someone else or punting it till the following year. That could spell trouble for our chances to resign vooch and/or Ross. This is really going to be a interesting summer.


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Airgordon00 wrote:All these injuries to some of the upcoming Free agents this year could really have a domino effect. Some teams will miss out on a guy they thought they had and now will have to decide on spending that money on someone else or punting it till the following year. That could spell trouble for our chances to resign vooch and/or Ross. This is really going to be a interesting summer.


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Doesn't really change anything in my eyes tbh. Klay will still get maxed by the Warriors or another team and KD will still get maxed by the Warriors or another team. They are too good of players.

NavalAviator94 wrote:Honest question here. Does anyone think the Nets won’t match D‘ Russell? I don’t believe it. If he leaves it’s through a sign and trade.

Depends on if they get two max players.

To be able to clear the cap space necessary to officially sign a second max contract, Brooklyn would first have to renounce Russell's cap hold.

That would make him an unrestricted free agent and they would lose his Bird Rights (meaning they can't re-sign him over the salary cap). As soon as they sign the two max free agents they would be over the cap, and so would not have the cap space to re-sign him.

Skybox wrote:So, the #4 pick is in play for a young developing player that could be moved to NOLA...any interest or offers from ORL? Aaron Gordon comes to mind (maybe for Hart and #4) but I don't think I'd do it for Culver or Garland.

Why would we do that? Well,never get anywhere if we keep trading Our young guys right when theyre starting to figure it out.

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Airgordon00 wrote:All these injuries to some of the upcoming Free agents this year could really have a domino effect. Some teams will miss out on a guy they thought they had and now will have to decide on spending that money on someone else or punting it till the following year. That could spell trouble for our chances to resign vooch and/or Ross. This is really going to be a interesting summer.


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The only domino effect I see it having is: the league is more wide open next year, you might see teams being less gun-shy in their spending because they think they can make a run

OrlChamps2030 wrote:

Airgordon00 wrote:All these injuries to some of the upcoming Free agents this year could really have a domino effect. Some teams will miss out on a guy they thought they had and now will have to decide on spending that money on someone else or punting it till the following year. That could spell trouble for our chances to resign vooch and/or Ross. This is really going to be a interesting summer.


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The only domino effect I see it having is: the league is more wide open next year, you might see teams being less gun-shy in their spending because they think they can make a run

BINGO especially if your a western conference team. West just opened up for someone to take advantage and this FA period is prime for big contracts or trades.

OKC Houston Portland Denver all have to be rubbing hands birdman style right now looking to trade dead $ & late 1st for role player ala Evan Fournier types.

Key Free Agency Dates:


• Teams can begin to communicate with free agents on June 29th at 6pm.

• Teams can begin to reach verbal commitments with free agents on June 30th at 6pm; the beginning of the moratorium period.

• Teams can officially sign free agents on July 6th (midnight July 5th); the end of the moratorium period.

• Restricted free agents can sign another team's offer sheet on June 30th at 6pm. BUT the 48 hour time clock for their current team to match that offer sheet doesn't begin until after the moratorium period (midnight July 5th).

• For a team to officially present an offer sheet to a RFA (D-Lo), they must already have the cap space available.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

OrlChamps2030 wrote:

Airgordon00 wrote:All these injuries to some of the upcoming Free agents this year could really have a domino effect. Some teams will miss out on a guy they thought they had and now will have to decide on spending that money on someone else or punting it till the following year. That could spell trouble for our chances to resign vooch and/or Ross. This is really going to be a interesting summer.

The only domino effect I see it having is: the league is more wide open next year, you might see teams being less gun-shy in their spending because they think they can make a run

BINGO especially if your a western conference team. West just opened up for someone to take advantage and this FA period is prime for big contracts or trades. OKC Houston Portland Denver all have to be rubbing hands birdman style right now.

KD and Klay are going to get new max deals. Teams are still going to line up to give them money.

As for Vucevic's market...if anything, the C market just got more crowded.

Cousins performance in playoffs proved he's still solid even at half point of normal recovery time. His type of injury usually has player returning close to form by second season. Someone is going to pay him starter money.

26 year old Valenciunas just entered FA, that's yet another starting caliber C on the market.

OKC has Adams, Portland has Nurkic, Denver has Jokic and Houston has Capella. Three of those 4 teams are in deep luxury tax as is. Their flexibility is extremely limited. If they trade their center, they have to refill it with trade as they aren't creating cap to use in free agency, just lessening their tax debt.

ezzzp wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

OrlChamps2030 wrote:
The only domino effect I see it having is: the league is more wide open next year, you might see teams being less gun-shy in their spending because they think they can make a run

BINGO especially if your a western conference team. West just opened up for someone to take advantage and this FA period is prime for big contracts or trades. OKC Houston Portland Denver all have to be rubbing hands birdman style right now.

KD and Klay are going to get new max deals. Teams are still going to line up to give them money.

As for Vucevic's market...if anything, the C market just got more crowded.

Cousins performance in playoffs proved he's still solid even at half point of normal recovery time. His type of injury usually has player returning close to form by second season. Someone is going to pay him starter money.

26 year old Valenciunas just entered FA, that's yet another starting caliber C on the market.

OKC has Adams, Portland has Nurkic, Denver has Jokic and Houston has Capella. Three of those 4 teams are in deep luxury tax as is. Their flexibility is extremely limited. If they trade their center, they have to refill it with trade as they aren't creating cap to use in free agency, just lessening their tax debt.

Wasn't talking about Vuc going to any of those teams, more along the lines that those western conference teams could be looking to package meh $/dead cap and late 1st pick for shooters/role players. Orlando should be all over trying to get another 1st for EF even if it meant taking on a little more $ in return.

C market is solid (Vuc, Kanter, Lopez, Dedmon, Jordan) but have to imagine teams are more looking to wait and fill spots with other positions and swing back to grab a cheap C later.

Valanciunas is likely to re sign in Memphis and opted out for a long term deal vs risking playing on 1 year deal. Cousins is still unknown due to his injury & I don't envision him getting more than MLE.

Biggest threat with Vuc is and will be Sacramento.. They could easily clear 34+M in Cap Space offer Vuc 22-25+ a year and have 10ishM to play with for better bench depth wouldn't be a bad off season for them.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

ezzzp wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
BINGO especially if your a western conference team. West just opened up for someone to take advantage and this FA period is prime for big contracts or trades. OKC Houston Portland Denver all have to be rubbing hands birdman style right now.

KD and Klay are going to get new max deals. Teams are still going to line up to give them money.

As for Vucevic's market...if anything, the C market just got more crowded.

Cousins performance in playoffs proved he's still solid even at half point of normal recovery time. His type of injury usually has player returning close to form by second season. Someone is going to pay him starter money.

26 year old Valenciunas just entered FA, that's yet another starting caliber C on the market.

OKC has Adams, Portland has Nurkic, Denver has Jokic and Houston has Capella. Three of those 4 teams are in deep luxury tax as is. Their flexibility is extremely limited. If they trade their center, they have to refill it with trade as they aren't creating cap to use in free agency, just lessening their tax debt.

Wasn't talking about Vuc going to any of those teams, more along the lines that those western conference teams could be looking to package meh $/dead cap and late 1st pick for shooters/role players. Orlando should be all over trying to get another 1st for EF even if it meant taking on a little more $ in return.

C market is solid (Vuc, Kanter, Lopez, Dedmon, Jordan) but have to imagine teams are more looking to wait and fill spots with other positions and swing back to grab a cheap C later.

Valanciunas is likely to re sign in Memphis and opted out for a long term deal vs risking playing on 1 year deal. Cousins is still unknown due to his injury & I don't envision him getting more than MLE.

Biggest threat with Vuc is and will be Sacramento.. They could easily clear 34+M in Cap Space offer Vuc 22-25+ a year and have 10ishM to play with for better bench depth wouldn't be a bad off season for them.

San Antonio is basically asking Sacramento to take DeRozan. If that happens they won't have any room.

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basketballRob wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

ezzzp wrote:
KD and Klay are going to get new max deals. Teams are still going to line up to give them money.

As for Vucevic's market...if anything, the C market just got more crowded.

Cousins performance in playoffs proved he's still solid even at half point of normal recovery time. His type of injury usually has player returning close to form by second season. Someone is going to pay him starter money.

26 year old Valenciunas just entered FA, that's yet another starting caliber C on the market.

OKC has Adams, Portland has Nurkic, Denver has Jokic and Houston has Capella. Three of those 4 teams are in deep luxury tax as is. Their flexibility is extremely limited. If they trade their center, they have to refill it with trade as they aren't creating cap to use in free agency, just lessening their tax debt.

Wasn't talking about Vuc going to any of those teams, more along the lines that those western conference teams could be looking to package meh $/dead cap and late 1st pick for shooters/role players. Orlando should be all over trying to get another 1st for EF even if it meant taking on a little more $ in return.

C market is solid (Vuc, Kanter, Lopez, Dedmon, Jordan) but have to imagine teams are more looking to wait and fill spots with other positions and swing back to grab a cheap C later.

Valanciunas is likely to re sign in Memphis and opted out for a long term deal vs risking playing on 1 year deal. Cousins is still unknown due to his injury & I don't envision him getting more than MLE.

Biggest threat with Vuc is and will be Sacramento.. They could easily clear 34+M in Cap Space offer Vuc 22-25+ a year and have 10ishM to play with for better bench depth wouldn't be a bad off season for them.

San Antonio is basically asking Sacramento to take DeRozan. If that happens they won't have any room.

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why would that make any sense for Sacramento? Don't see derozan working in that with Hield/Fox when they have a HUGE opening at C?

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

basketballRob wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
Wasn't talking about Vuc going to any of those teams, more along the lines that those western conference teams could be looking to package meh $/dead cap and late 1st pick for shooters/role players. Orlando should be all over trying to get another 1st for EF even if it meant taking on a little more $ in return.

C market is solid (Vuc, Kanter, Lopez, Dedmon, Jordan) but have to imagine teams are more looking to wait and fill spots with other positions and swing back to grab a cheap C later.

Valanciunas is likely to re sign in Memphis and opted out for a long term deal vs risking playing on 1 year deal. Cousins is still unknown due to his injury & I don't envision him getting more than MLE.

Biggest threat with Vuc is and will be Sacramento.. They could easily clear 34+M in Cap Space offer Vuc 22-25+ a year and have 10ishM to play with for better bench depth wouldn't be a bad off season for them.

San Antonio is basically asking Sacramento to take DeRozan. If that happens they won't have any room.

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why would that make any sense for Sacramento? Don't see derozan working in that with Hield/Fox when they have a HUGE opening at C?

So do you think they'll just let WCS go?

Plus it's more likely to get a center cheap then it is a wing player.


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basketballRob wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

basketballRob wrote:San Antonio is basically asking Sacramento to take DeRozan. If that happens they won't have any room.

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why would that make any sense for Sacramento? Don't see derozan working in that with Hield/Fox when they have a HUGE opening at C?

So do you think they'll just let WCS go?

Plus it's more likely to get a center cheap then it is a wing player.

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I see Sacramento biggest hole is C and that's whats holding them back. I think Vuc is #1 target then maybe Dedmon or Lopez. WCS has had 5 years to try and figure it out in SAC and he really hasn't improved much. I think Sacramento offers something like 4 year 105M to Vuc and then has 8-10M left to go grab a vet guy.

Kings have Bogdan Bogdanovic who had a solid sophomore year to come off bench again and play 20+ minutes if needed.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:

basketballRob wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:
why would that make any sense for Sacramento? Don't see derozan working in that with Hield/Fox when they have a HUGE opening at C?

So do you think they'll just let WCS go?

Plus it's more likely to get a center cheap then it is a wing player.

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I see Sacramento biggest hole is C and that's whats holding them back. I think Vuc is #1 target then maybe Dedmon or Lopez. WCS has had 5 years to try and figure it out in SAC and he really hasn't improved much. I think Sacramento offers something like 4 year 105M to Vuc and then has 8-10M left to go grab a vet guy.

Kings have Bogdan Bogdanovic who had a solid sophomore year to come off bench again and play 20+ minutes if needed.

That's who the Spurs want, Bogdonavic for DeRozan.

If they add DeRozan and Lopez or Cousins, I could see them having a jump like Milwaukee did.

I do hope they offer Vuc a big contract but I'll believe it when I see it. I don't want to get my hopes up.



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