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Re: What are your best Fournier trade proposals? 

Post#261 » by ezzzp » Thu Jun 6, 2019 2:31 am

Fournier + #16 in S/T for D'Angelo Russell.

If I'm understanding the S/T and NBA Trade rules correctly, I think its possible. Of course Russell would have to want to come to Orlando and Brooklyn would have to want to do a S/T.

In S/T's, the BYC rule applies. If Russell is getting the max salary ($27m), then the incoming salary for Magic would be $27m; but for Brooklyn the outgoing salary would be $13.5m (50% of his new salary).

Then the regular NBA trade rules have to be met:

As of now, both the Magic and Brooklyn are non tax-paying teams. Non-taxpaying team can trade one or more players and take back….

• For any amount up to $6.5m: 150% of the outgoing salary plus $100K
• For any amount between $6.5m - $19.6m: The outgoing salary plus $5m
• For any amount above $19.6m: 125% of the outgoing salary plus $100K

So...

The most salary that Brooklyn could take back is: $18.5m ($13.5m plus $5m)
The most salary that Orlando could take back is: $33.85m ($27m x 125% = $33.75m plus $0.1m)

That means the Magic could send them anyone on the roster except Aaron Gordon as his salary is $19.9m.

If Brooklyn takes Fournier's contract, then the Magic should be able to keep at least one of Vucevic or Ross and steer clear of the luxury tax line as they won't have to renounce their cap holds and just sign them over the cap with Bird Rights.
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Re: What are your best Fournier trade proposals? 

Post#262 » by Nyce_1 » Thu Jun 6, 2019 4:44 am

ezzzp wrote:Fournier + #16 in S/T for D'Angelo Russell.

If I'm understanding the S/T and NBA Trade rules correctly, I think its possible. Of course Russell would have to want to come to Orlando and Brooklyn would have to want to do a S/T.

In S/T's, the BYC rule applies. If Russell is getting the max salary ($27m), then the incoming salary for Magic would be $27m; but for Brooklyn the outgoing salary would be $13.5m (50% of his new salary).

Then the regular NBA trade rules have to be met:

As of now, both the Magic and Brooklyn are non tax-paying teams. Non-taxpaying team can trade one or more players and take back….

• For any amount up to $6.5m: 150% of the outgoing salary plus $100K
• For any amount between $6.5m - $19.6m: The outgoing salary plus $5m
• For any amount above $19.6m: 125% of the outgoing salary plus $100K

So...

The most salary that Brooklyn could take back is: $18.5m ($13.5m plus $5m)
The most salary that Orlando could take back is: $33.85m ($27m x 125% = $33.75m plus $0.1m)

That means the Magic could send them anyone on the roster except Aaron Gordon as his salary is $19.9m.

If Brooklyn takes Fournier's contract, then the Magic should be able to keep at least one of Vucevic or Ross and steer clear of the luxury tax line as they won't have to renounce their cap holds and just sign them over the cap with Bird Rights.
And why does BK do this? They want to keep DLo.
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Re: What are your best Fournier trade proposals? 

Post#263 » by Bensational » Thu Jun 6, 2019 5:34 am

ezzzp wrote:Fournier + #16 in S/T for D'Angelo Russell.

If I'm understanding the S/T and NBA Trade rules correctly, I think its possible. Of course Russell would have to want to come to Orlando and Brooklyn would have to want to do a S/T.

In S/T's, the BYC rule applies. If Russell is getting the max salary ($27m), then the incoming salary for Magic would be $27m; but for Brooklyn the outgoing salary would be $13.5m (50% of his new salary).

Then the regular NBA trade rules have to be met:

As of now, both the Magic and Brooklyn are non tax-paying teams. Non-taxpaying team can trade one or more players and take back….

• For any amount up to $6.5m: 150% of the outgoing salary plus $100K
• For any amount between $6.5m - $19.6m: The outgoing salary plus $5m
• For any amount above $19.6m: 125% of the outgoing salary plus $100K

So...

The most salary that Brooklyn could take back is: $18.5m ($13.5m plus $5m)
The most salary that Orlando could take back is: $33.85m ($27m x 125% = $33.75m plus $0.1m)

That means the Magic could send them anyone on the roster except Aaron Gordon as his salary is $19.9m.

If Brooklyn takes Fournier's contract, then the Magic should be able to keep at least one of Vucevic or Ross and steer clear of the luxury tax line as they won't have to renounce their cap holds and just sign them over the cap with Bird Rights.


I think if we can help BKN get far enough under the cap for 2 max FAs, we might be able to get them to renounce D'Lo, or trade him to us.

Ie, if we trade DJ to Atlanta, renounce everyone but Vuc, stretch Moz, does that get us enough cap space to absorb Crabbe?

Then BKN sign whoever they can (Kyrie + ?), we s&t Fournier for D'Lo.

BKN
Allen/?
(FA?)/
Fournier/Harris
Levert
Kyrie/Dinwiddie


We sign Hill as a veteran PG, and...

ORL
Vuc/Bamba
Gordon
Isaac/Iwundu
D'Lo/Crabbe
Hill/Fultz
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Re: What are your best Fournier trade proposals? 

Post#264 » by ezzzp » Thu Jun 6, 2019 6:14 am

Nyce_1 wrote:And why does BK do this? They want to keep DLo.


If they get two max guys and one is a PG, they probably won’t want to match a Russell max offer sheet.

Three max slots is hard to pull off as is - but two max slots on same position + Dinwiddie?

They might prefer to use money on a wing that was more affordable and less long term $ than Russell....hence Fournier + they also get 16th pk as potential cheap rotation guy. Since it’s trade it allows them to add players above the cap if they are already near it or over it.

It’s a long shot- just throwing out ideas - that’s why right at the very beginning of comment I stated:

“Of course Russell would have to want to come to Orlando and Brooklyn would have to want to do a S/T. “
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Post#265 » by Bensational » Sun Jun 9, 2019 6:25 am

3 Team Trade:

HOU: Fournier
DEN: E.Gordon
ORL: Plumlee + Morris

(I feel like one of Houston or Denver will want the #16, just not sure who gets it).

ATL: DJ + 2nd round pick
ORL: +$7.25M Cap space

Sign: D'Lo

Plumlee/Bamba
Gordon/
Isaac/Iwundu
D'Lo/Frazier
Morris/Fultz
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Post#266 » by fendilim » Sun Jun 9, 2019 5:12 pm

If we’re dumping Fournier, we better have a concrete plan on whether we would like to retain Vuc and Ross AND how we plan to re-sign them. Ross, as he suggested himself, will wait and see where Vuc plays next year before deciding to come back or not.

Would Vuc want to come back if his buddy is traded? Trading one of the key guys for cap space might not be a convincing idea for Vuc to re-sign.
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Post#267 » by drsd » Mon Jun 10, 2019 11:17 am

Nyce_1 wrote:And why does BK do this? They want to keep DLo.


If the Nets sign Walker/Irving to a max-deal, Russell will not be matched.


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Re: What are your best Fournier trade proposals? 

Post#268 » by JBSouthpaw » Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:52 pm

Evan and Moz to BOS for Hayward and the 20th pick. (even money this year)
AG & 20th pic to LAC for Shai & Harrell (we get about 6M is savings, they still can add 2 max players)
Decline Ross
Sign Jeremy Lamb (should be around the Mid-level) He's 26
resign Vuc

Shai/Fultz
Lamb/16th pic
Hayward/Wes
J.I./Harrell
Vuc/Mo

End up with better shooting, better PG, still good defense.
Fultz could swing between Guard positions
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Post#269 » by Skin » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:09 pm

Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.
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Post#270 » by OrlandoNed » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:18 pm

Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.
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Post#271 » by Skin » Mon Jun 10, 2019 7:38 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Well it's a whole lot less about mentor and a whole lot more about balance, chemistry and collecting the right kind of skills. Plus, Batum is flat out better than Fournier in most aspects of the game.

We have a massive hole at PG WITH Augustin. Without him we'll be able to give someone else a chance. There's no love lost. Hardly irreplaceable.
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Post#272 » by JBSouthpaw » Tue Jun 11, 2019 2:08 pm

Skin wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Well it's a whole lot less about mentor and a whole lot more about balance, chemistry and collecting the right kind of skills. Plus, Batum is flat out better than Fournier in most aspects of the game.

We have a massive hole at PG WITH Augustin. Without him we'll be able to give someone else a chance. There's no love lost. Hardly irreplaceable.

You don't have to get rid of DJ for another PG to have a chance. Fultz will get more than a fair chance.
And you can't claim chemistry will be better, Evan maybe Vuc's best friend. This move would be lateral at best.
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Post#273 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:14 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people want to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol
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Post#274 » by MoMM » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:23 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol

Not God, but Thanos :lol:
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Post#275 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:25 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol

Not God, but Thanos :lol:

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Post#276 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:43 pm

Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

i dont think its Orlando, more you and a few other people on here. Was he disappointing last year? yes. but no way i want that abortion of a contract of Batum.
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Post#277 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:53 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
Skin wrote:Evan Fournier + DJ Augustin for Nic Batum

ORL has soured on Evan and CHA has soured on Nic. Including Augustin helps the Magic match salary and his value is a net positive for CHA. Especially if they lose Walker.

Could a change of scenery help both sides? Possibly. Batum fits WeHam's profile with his freakish 7'4 wingspan and ability to play SG or SF. He also fills the Magic's need for playmakers as Batum's ability to play facilitator is a strong part of his game. Batum is also at the point of his career where he can start to take on the role of mentor. He's gotten his pay day so selfish stat collecting in order to pump up his market value is not a priority. This kind of harmony would help team chemistry for the Magic who need to find the right balance and mix of experience and talent.

If we drafted a player like NAW who possesses playmaking ability on the college level, Batum could be a natural mentor for him.

The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol

WTF are you talking about?

OrlandoNed wrote:The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.


Where in that sentence is the phrase "Orlando has soured on Evan"?

It's not that outlandish to suggest Fournier isn't as good a starter than the majority of starting level SG's in the league. Fine, average at best. Happy now?
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Post#278 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:58 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.

Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol

WTF are you talking about?

OrlandoNed wrote:The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.


Where in that sentence is the phrase "Orlando has soured on Evan"?

It's not that outlandish to suggest Fournier isn't as good a starter than the majority of starting level SG's in the league. Fine, average at best. Happy now?

Sorry... that was in reference to the quote that you also quoted.

and yes... I am happy now. lol.
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Post#279 » by OrlandoNed » Tue Jun 11, 2019 3:59 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:Who says that "Orlando has soured on Evan"? That sounds more like personal opinion more than anything else. He has a down year shooting the ball.... which is surprisingly similar numbers to some of the options that people to replace him with. lol He's not the super sexy player... but i think that the hopeful changes to the team next season (improvement of player skills and health)... he will be back to what he used to be. A hard working and efficient shooting guard. And i think that is still better than below average as suggested. If he AND DJ are below average... and apparently to some so is JI... and AG ain't nothing special and Vuc is "fake news"... God himself must have piloted us into the playoffs with the best record in the east for the last 1/3 of the season. lol

WTF are you talking about?

OrlandoNed wrote:The whole "mentor" concept is a load of nonsense and I'd rather not lose 2 below average starters for 1 and leave a massive hole at PG.


Where in that sentence is the phrase "Orlando has soured on Evan"?

It's not that outlandish to suggest Fournier isn't as good a starter than the majority of starting level SG's in the league. Fine, average at best. Happy now?

Sorry... that was in reference to the quote that you also quoted.

and yes... I am happy now. lol.

Well, there's my good deed for the day then.
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Post#280 » by yoyojw17 » Tue Jun 11, 2019 4:03 pm

OrlandoNed wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:
OrlandoNed wrote:WTF are you talking about?



Where in that sentence is the phrase "Orlando has soured on Evan"?

It's not that outlandish to suggest Fournier isn't as good a starter than the majority of starting level SG's in the league. Fine, average at best. Happy now?

Sorry... that was in reference to the quote that you also quoted.

and yes... I am happy now. lol.

Well, there's my good deed for the day then.

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