What's your breaking point (in $) for resigning Vucevic?

[ezzzp]

What matters is how the contract is structured...not his annual salary.

You can increase or reduce annual salary by 8% maximum.

For example: $25m / $23m / $21m / $19m = $88m

[bigdogdylan5]

I always feel like al horford is a relevant comparison for him. on his third contract, he signed for a salary starting at 26 per year and ending at 30, for the span of 4 years for celtics.

let's hope there's a little bit of loyalty discount out there somewhere from vuc, let's ignore the inflation and consider the fact that weltham likes decreasing contracts: a contract starting at 27 and ending at 23 spanning 4 years, with the average of 25 seems likely. personally I would 1-2 millions per year above that if need be, but I hope it won't be necessary.

That scares the **** out of me. Horford's defense and ability to shoot threes is pretty significantly better than Vuc and even with that i bet the celtics would get out of that contract if they could

[bigdogdylan5]

Idk this does feel like a binary decision so the point of exactly the salary is seems moot. Its either you feel he is worth sinking that much of the cap into him or not. The percentage of cap between 20-26 not a huge deal. I think there should be an option to not sign him at all or a lesser than that option.

[bigdogdylan5]

Vučević is eligible for a max contract of five years and $189.7M with the Magic, which averages to about $38M a year.

There are rumors that teams are considering a max contract of four years and $140.6, which is about $35M a year.

Statistically he was a top-10 player last year and is unquestionably a top-20 player. The idea that "anything above $25M" is a breaking point, I think a lot of fans will be severely disappointed; he will command more than that. For me I am holding out that Vučević will take a "pay-cut" to an average of less than $30M by the Magic adding a fifth year. That is key leverage for Orlando. For example, the 140M another team can spend, averaged over 5 years, leaves Vučević at $28M a year to stay with the Magic. I will call something in that range "my breaking point." I clicked $30M, as it would be hard for me to accept him on a 5-year, 30M-a-year deal. But 5-year, 28M-a-year deal, I could accept that.

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Good lord if that is the case i hope we just let him walk. I dont feel comfortable giving him 20M and putting a big cap burden on ourselves. He was very good this year but it was still one good year you would be paying him for and he is getting older and slower.

[NavalAviator94]

For me $100m. Capela is my benchmark. $80-$90m + incentives.


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[BadMofoPimp]

Vučević is eligible for a max contract of five years and $189.7M with the Magic, which averages to about $38M a year.

There are rumors that teams are considering a max contract of four years and $140.6, which is about $35M a year.

Statistically he was a top-10 player last year and is unquestionably a top-20 player. The idea that "anything above $25M" is a breaking point, I think a lot of fans will be severely disappointed; he will command more than that. For me I am holding out that Vučević will take a "pay-cut" to an average of less than $30M by the Magic adding a fifth year. That is key leverage for Orlando. For example, the 140M another team can spend, averaged over 5 years, leaves Vučević at $28M a year to stay with the Magic. I will call something in that range "my breaking point." I clicked $30M, as it would be hard for me to accept him on a 5-year, 30M-a-year deal. But 5-year, 28M-a-year deal, I could accept that.

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Good lord if that is the case i hope we just let him walk. I dont feel comfortable giving him 20M and putting a big cap burden on ourselves. He was very good this year but it was still one good year you would be paying him for and he is getting older and slower.

I don't think any team in the NBA could afford to pay $30 mil per for Vooch and still intend to be competitive long term. He will get $20-24. Book it.

[ezzzp]

There are rumors that teams are considering a max contract of four years and $140.6, which is about $35M a year.

I haven't heard this, what teams are you speaking of?

[ezzzp]

For me $100m. Capela is my benchmark. $80-$90m + incentives.


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Cappella's is a 5 year deal so he gets smaller annual $...for Vucevic a 4yr / $100m dollar deal w/built in incentives can look something like this...

FLAT:

(19-20) $25.00m / (20-21) $25.00m / (21-22) $25.00m / (22-23) $25.00m

8% ANNUAL DECLINE:

(19-20) $28.41m / (20-21) $26.14m / (21-22) $23.86m / (22-23) $21.59m

8% ANNUAL RAISES:

(19-20) $22.32m / (20-21) $24.11m / (21-22) $25.89m / (22-23) $27.68m

[MoMM]

Would you rather have Vuc or Klay? Because Klay wants 190MM/5years. That's way more than we are talking about. I'd place both, at least, in the same tier. Also Klay is 6 months older.

[NotACat]

Would you rather have Vuc or Klay? Because Klay wants 190MM/5years. That's way more than we are talking about. I'd place both, at least, in the same tier. Also Klay is 6 months older.

Klay easily. Give MLE to DeAndre Jordan, Kanter, or Brook Lopez.

[bigdogdylan5]

Vučević is eligible for a max contract of five years and $189.7M with the Magic, which averages to about $38M a year.

There are rumors that teams are considering a max contract of four years and $140.6, which is about $35M a year.

Statistically he was a top-10 player last year and is unquestionably a top-20 player. The idea that "anything above $25M" is a breaking point, I think a lot of fans will be severely disappointed; he will command more than that. For me I am holding out that Vučević will take a "pay-cut" to an average of less than $30M by the Magic adding a fifth year. That is key leverage for Orlando. For example, the 140M another team can spend, averaged over 5 years, leaves Vučević at $28M a year to stay with the Magic. I will call something in that range "my breaking point." I clicked $30M, as it would be hard for me to accept him on a 5-year, 30M-a-year deal. But 5-year, 28M-a-year deal, I could accept that.

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Good lord if that is the case i hope we just let him walk. I dont feel comfortable giving him 20M and putting a big cap burden on ourselves. He was very good this year but it was still one good year you would be paying him for and he is getting older and slower.

I don't think any team in the NBA could afford to pay $30 mil per for Vooch and still intend to be competitive long term. He will get $20-24. Book it.

Idk man I hope it isn’t from us then. This team needs a scoring guard desperately that is my number one goal. You have to keep the cap flexibility to be able to pounce on one.

[BadMofoPimp]

Good lord if that is the case i hope we just let him walk. I dont feel comfortable giving him 20M and putting a big cap burden on ourselves. He was very good this year but it was still one good year you would be paying him for and he is getting older and slower.

I don't think any team in the NBA could afford to pay $30 mil per for Vooch and still intend to be competitive long term. He will get $20-24. Book it.

Idk man I hope it isn’t from us then. This team needs a scoring guard desperately that is my number one goal. You have to keep the cap flexibility to be able to pounce on one.

Ross is a scoring Guard.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Wouldn't pay him anything more than the minimum wage

[drsd]

Statistically he was a top-10 player last year and is unquestionably a top-20 player.
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Says only a person who knows nothing of basketball or statistics.

I might know nothing on basketball, but I have published a number of peer-review statistical papers in research journals. So maybe I know a little about that.


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[drsd]

Make it incentive based contract. Lets not overpay and outbid ourselves.

Vuc is a very good player and an asset against most teams.

20 million sounds right.

20M-base per year with incentive kickers from 0-10M a year; that is a great idea.


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[MagicFan101]

Statistically he was a top-10 player last year and is unquestionably a top-20 player.
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Says only a person who knows nothing of basketball or statistics.

I might know nothing on basketball, but I have published a number of peer-review statistical papers in research journals. So maybe I know a little about that.


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“Best” is extremely subjective yet you declare him “unquestionably top 20” in that rank without defining the rules of your target variable.

You are lucky your papers did not cross my desk for peer review if this is your standard of validation.

[drsd]

Says only a person who knows nothing of basketball or statistics.

I might know nothing on basketball, but I have published a number of peer-review statistical papers in research journals. So maybe I know a little about that.


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“Best” is extremely subjective yet you declare him “unquestionably top 20” in that rank without defining the rules of your target variable.

You are lucky your papers did not cross my desk for peer review if this is your standard of validation.

Again: I never qualified myself as basketball competent


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[Furinkazan]

anything more than 15 is my breaking point

[MoMM]

Make it incentive based contract. Lets not overpay and outbid ourselves.

Vuc is a very good player and an asset against most teams.

20 million sounds right.

20M-base per year with incentive kickers from 0-10M a year; that is a great idea.


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How incentive kickers impact the cap space? I have no idea about it.

[drsd]

How incentive kickers impact the cap space? I have no idea about it.

Salary Cap FAQ


More info, but two key points.

Performance incentives are classified as either "likely to be achieved" or "not likely to be achieved," with only the likely incentives included in the player's salary and team salary amounts. The determination of whether an incentive is likely or not likely is based on whether the criterion was achieved in the previous season. For example, if a player had seven assists per game the previous season, then an incentive based on seven assists per game would be classified as likely to be achieved, but one based on eight assists per game would be classified as not likely.

All performance incentives are re-evaluated at the start of each season to determine whether they should be classified as likely or not likely to be achieved.