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OrlandO wrote:

j-ragg wrote:

OrlandO wrote:snip

Yeah realized after I posted it I was looking in the 20-21 column for Frazier not the 19-20. Also feels like we stretched CJ Watson a decade ago. Why is Ross' cap hold 15.75? I thought it was 125% of their last season's salary but might've got that mixed up with rookie contract rules. Thanks for the breakdown either way, I appreciate the work. Looks like we'd probably have to do another big-ish move. Fournier or DJ for a non-gtd deal maybe.

I believe it has to do with Bird rights, so it's 150% of the previous salary. We could maybe convince him to sign for less than his cap hold though. We could technically clear space, but it just seems unlikely to work out as we'd have to get rid of a lot of contributing pieces and that's not going to go over well with a major free agent with plenty of options. Weltman is in a bit of a pickle... can't attract a big free agent unless you have money and a playoff team. We can realistically offer one, but not both imo.

j-ragg wrote:

OrlandO wrote:

j-ragg wrote:Yeah realized after I posted it I was looking in the 20-21 column for Frazier not the 19-20. Also feels like we stretched CJ Watson a decade ago. Why is Ross' cap hold 15.75? I thought it was 125% of their last season's salary but might've got that mixed up with rookie contract rules. Thanks for the breakdown either way, I appreciate the work. Looks like we'd probably have to do another big-ish move. Fournier or DJ for a non-gtd deal maybe.

I believe it has to do with Bird rights, so it's 150% of the previous salary. We could maybe convince him to sign for less than his cap hold though. We could technically clear space, but it just seems unlikely to work out as we'd have to get rid of a lot of contributing pieces and that's not going to go over well with a major free agent with plenty of options. Weltman is in a bit of a pickle... can't attract a big free agent unless you have money and a playoff team. We can realistically offer one, but not both imo.

Fully agree, would be shocked if it did happen. Was just toying with ways to create space in that unlikely scenario. I wonder what Ross would sign for. Maybe a deal a little higher than his previous one? Like 3/36-40? Hard to predict.

MagicFan101 wrote:

OrlandO wrote:

j-ragg wrote:Yeah realized after I posted it I was looking in the 20-21 column for Frazier not the 19-20. Also feels like we stretched CJ Watson a decade ago. Why is Ross' cap hold 15.75? I thought it was 125% of their last season's salary but might've got that mixed up with rookie contract rules. Thanks for the breakdown either way, I appreciate the work. Looks like we'd probably have to do another big-ish move. Fournier or DJ for a non-gtd deal maybe.

I believe it has to do with Bird rights, so it's 150% of the previous salary. We could maybe convince him to sign for less than his cap hold though. We could technically clear space, but it just seems unlikely to work out as we'd have to get rid of a lot of contributing pieces and that's not going to go over well with a major free agent with plenty of options. Weltman is in a bit of a pickle... can't attract a big free agent unless you have money and a playoff team. We can realistically offer one, but not both imo.

I think we are going to have to push for consistency by bringing back Vuc and Ross. Then treat Bamba, Fultz and #16 as the new additions to the roster because they practically are.

We will need to prove to the league over the next 2-3 years that we are a well run organization capable of reaching the post season regularly.

Over the time we can learn what we truly have in Fultz, Isaac, Bamaba and somewhat in AG. Then the end of the new deal for Vuc is approach and we can decide on trades for BIG. That is when we make a move from a #5-8 seed to a conference contender. ... unless Fultz or Isaac break out.

drsd wrote:I cannot see Walker in Orlando. He will cost to much and is redundant. The Magic need wing upgrade more than anything else, right now in my opinion.

Howard Mass wrote:If The Magic want to sign Kemba Walker, they will have to let Vucevic and Ross go.

I think he will bolt to NY or LAL if he decides not to take the Supermax in Charlotte.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:If The Magic want to sign Kemba Walker, they will have to let Vucevic and Ross go.

I think he will bolt to NY or LAL if he decides not to take the Supermax in Charlotte.

If the Magic were able to trade away Fournier and Mozgov, could they sign Kemba and keep both or one of Vooch or Ross?

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:If The Magic want to sign Kemba Walker, they will have to let Vucevic and Ross go.

I think he will bolt to NY or LAL if he decides not to take the Supermax in Charlotte.

If the Magic were able to trade away Fournier and Mozgov, could they sign Kemba and keep both or one of Vooch or Ross?

Howard Mass wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:If The Magic want to sign Kemba Walker, they will have to let Vucevic and Ross go.

I think he will bolt to NY or LAL if he decides not to take the Supermax in Charlotte.

If the Magic were able to trade away Fournier and Mozgov, could they sign Kemba and keep both or one of Vooch or Ross?

The Magic would not be able to move Fournier and Mozgov without taking back salary.

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:
If the Magic were able to trade away Fournier and Mozgov, could they sign Kemba and keep both or one of Vooch or Ross?

The Magic would not be able to move Fournier and Mozgov without taking back salary.

What about attaching a 1st Rounder or maybe 2 2nd rounders?

Xatticus wrote:The NBA changed the way sign-and-trades work some time back to prevent teams from using bird rights to circumvent the salary cap. It seems likely that base year compensation would apply if Charlotte re-signed him with the intent to trade him. This would make it impossible to match salaries as Charlotte would only be able to take back roughly $12M in salary. Orlando would have to get well under the cap to take back the difference in salary by renouncing Ross and Vucevic.

Charlotte would have to avoid using Walker's bird rights to avoid the BYC rule, but they have roughly $65M in committed salaries next year plus another $28M in player options that will almost certainly get picked up. So that won't work unless Charlotte renounces all of their non-guaranteed deals and Walker agrees to sign for around $15M.

A sign-and-trade isn't an impossibility, but it wouldn't work out the way people are expecting. There is no scenario where we could end up with both Vucevic and Walker. The rule was implemented to prevent teams from doing precisely what is being proposed in this thread. The only incentive at that point would be to dump some salary on Charlotte, but why would they agree to a sign-and-trade for that purpose?

Howard Mass wrote:

BadMofoPimp wrote:

Howard Mass wrote:If The Magic want to sign Kemba Walker, they will have to let Vucevic and Ross go.

I think he will bolt to NY or LAL if he decides not to take the Supermax in Charlotte.

If the Magic were able to trade away Fournier and Mozgov, could they sign Kemba and keep both or one of Vooch or Ross?

The Magic would not be able to move Fournier and Mozgov without taking back salary.

MagicMatic wrote:Kemba isn’t going to turn down the most amount of money to play for a team that isn’t a contender.

j-ragg wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:Kemba isn’t going to turn down the most amount of money to play for a team that isn’t a contender.

Yup. If he wanted to go to a borderline playoff team, he'd take his super-max or 5 year max from Charlotte depending on what they offer. If he jumps ship I'd be shocked if he went to a team that wasn't a legit contender for the title.

Icemanbrfc wrote:

j-ragg wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:Kemba isn’t going to turn down the most amount of money to play for a team that isn’t a contender.

Yup. If he wanted to go to a borderline playoff team, he'd take his super-max or 5 year max from Charlotte depending on what they offer. If he jumps ship I'd be shocked if he went to a team that wasn't a legit contender for the title.

Which contending team right now, would want to take on Kemba? Boston maybe if Kyrie leaves, but other than that I can't see who else needs a PG and willing to pay Max for him. Grizzlies might look at him, if Conley leaves, but again, would he go to Memphis?

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Icemanbrfc wrote:

j-ragg wrote:

MagicMatic wrote:Kemba isn’t going to turn down the most amount of money to play for a team that isn’t a contender.

Yup. If he wanted to go to a borderline playoff team, he'd take his super-max or 5 year max from Charlotte depending on what they offer. If he jumps ship I'd be shocked if he went to a team that wasn't a legit contender for the title.

Which contending team right now, would want to take on Kemba? Boston maybe if Kyrie leaves, but other than that I can't see who else needs a PG and willing to pay Max for him. Grizzlies might look at him, if Conley leaves, but again, would he go to Memphis?

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