Swole Bamba!

[GANGSTERDOG]

Dennis still has potential and having somebody at age of 21 with some upside is better than nothing.
Whole Dennis talk was before Fultz trade.

I'd rather just keep the better 21-year-old with more upside but to each his own.

Cool. More upside according to you. Personal opinion. Nothing factual.

Russell Westbrook JR

Or

A Longer Rudy Gobert that can shoot better than Steph Curry.

Il take the 2nd one. 10/10

[pepe1991]

I'd rather just keep the better 21-year-old with more upside but to each his own.

Cool. More upside according to you. Personal opinion. Nothing factual.

Russell Westbrook JR

Or

A Longer Rudy Gobert that can shoot better than Steph Curry.

Il take the 2nd one. 10/10

More like Steve Francis jr vs Aminu jr

[PrimeThyme]

Cool. More upside according to you. Personal opinion. Nothing factual.

Russell Westbrook JR

Or

A Longer Rudy Gobert that can shoot better than Steph Curry.

Il take the 2nd one. 10/10

More like Steve Francis jr vs Aminu jr

Isaac’s stats at 21:

Spoiler:

9.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.3 bpg, 1.1 apg, on 43 fg%, && 32 3pt fg%

Aminu’s stats at 21:

Spoiler:

6.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.5 bpg, 1 apg, on 42 fg% && 27 3pt fg% (less than 1 attempt per game).

Aminu didn’t eclipse 8 ppg until the 6th year in his career. This is also without factoring in Aminu having an extra year of college and Isaac playing less than 30 games his rookie season.

But yeah, I guess it’s just another quality take by Pepe

Spoiler:

Btw, it’s laughable to even call DSJ “Francis jr”. Steve’s numbers his first two years crush DSJ’s in every way and he was an all star by year 3..but yeah carry on

[GelbeWand09]

DSJ is more poor man's pre injury Reggie Jackson Jr.. He is even much worse than post injury Jackson

[GelbeWand09]

Russell Westbrook JR

Or

A Longer Rudy Gobert that can shoot better than Steph Curry.

Il take the 2nd one. 10/10

More like Steve Francis jr vs Aminu jr

Isaac’s stats at 21:

Spoiler:

9.6 ppg, 5.6 rpg, 1.3 bpg, 1.1 apg, on 43 fg%, && 32 3pt fg%

Aminu’s stats at 21:

Spoiler:

6.0 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 0.5 bpg, 1 apg, on 42 fg% && 27 3pt fg% (less than 1 attempt per game).

Aminu didn’t eclipse 8 ppg until the 6th year in his career. This is also without factoring in Aminu having an extra year of college and Isaac playing less than 30 games his rookie season.

But yeah, I guess it’s just another quality take by Pepe

Spoiler:

Btw, it’s laughable to even call DSJ “Francis jr”. Steve’s numbers his first two years crush DSJ’s in every way and he was an all star by year 3..but yeah carry on

The Isaac / Aminu stuff gets to far in the moment. Yea they have similar strength's at the SF/PF position. But the difference is, Isaac can guard all positions, can switch & recover better, can guard SG & fast athletic SF full time if needed & protect the paint full time, while Aminu only in spurts. Isaac ist just longer and still much faster & agile.

Yea i know i'm a Isaac homer but this is still true Btw i really like Aminu, he is a winning player. Portland is my favorite WC team & i watched him in Dallas a lot too, because of Dirk.

[SOUL]

I think GANGSTERDOG was talking about Bamba.

Also DSJ might literally be replaced by Elfrid if he struggles lol.. idk man DSJ might put it together one day but not seeing it. Isaac is a positive player out there.

[GelbeWand09]

I think GANGSTERDOG was talking about Bamba.

Also DSJ might literally be replaced by Elfrid if he struggles lol.. idk man DSJ might put it together one day but not seeing it. Isaac is a positive player out there.

Yea i know he talks about Bamba but i think pepe talks about Isaac.

Yea he can maybe put it together but he is the same dumb player he was in college so far.

+ he can't shoot, can't defend, got tunnelvision, mediocre playmaker & even his physical tools are bad. He got Tray Young physicals with hops. Same height without shoes & T-Rex arms

[basketballRob]

I think GANGSTERDOG was talking about Bamba.

Also DSJ might literally be replaced by Elfrid if he struggles lol.. idk man DSJ might put it together one day but not seeing it. Isaac is a positive player out there.

Yea i know he talks about Bamba but i think pepe talks about Isaac.

Yea he can maybe put it together but he is the same dumb player he was in college so far.

+ he can't shoot, can't defend, got tunnelvision, mediocre playmaker & even his physical tools are bad. He got Tray Young physicals with hops. Same height without shoes & T-Rex arms

Pepe was a huge advocate to trade for DSJ last year and not Fultz. We need to see how it plays out, but I still feel like Fultz has more talent.

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[GelbeWand09]

I think GANGSTERDOG was talking about Bamba.

Also DSJ might literally be replaced by Elfrid if he struggles lol.. idk man DSJ might put it together one day but not seeing it. Isaac is a positive player out there.

Yea i know he talks about Bamba but i think pepe talks about Isaac.

Yea he can maybe put it together but he is the same dumb player he was in college so far.

+ he can't shoot, can't defend, got tunnelvision, mediocre playmaker & even his physical tools are bad. He got Tray Young physicals with hops. Same height without shoes & T-Rex arms

Pepe was a huge advocate to trade for DSJ last year and not Fultz. We need to see how it plays out, but I still feel like Fultz has more talent.

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In the end both can be busts. But i like the Fultz trade much more. Higher reward & much lower risk. Fultz is longer, bigger, better playmaker, better pick n roll player & even was the better shooter before his mystery injury. Plus we probably only gave up a bunch of 2nd Round picks instead of Bamba or Isaac.

[pepe1991]

I "love "this narrative
Dennis can't shoot (31% for 3) , but Isaac is improving 3 and D player that can shoot ( 32% for 3 ).
Love it.

Also Aminu is "worst " player because he scored 2 points less than Isaac at same age, allegedly. Isaac shooting 2,5 FGA for 3 points more was never mentioned.


Dennis has issues, but in times i wanted to trade for him Magic did not have Fultz and Grant was there getting PT.
Before everything is set and done, Dennis could be collosal bust but can actually turn into good player. Does not help him that he is on freaking Knicks at all.

[Last Guardian]

Hard to judge on the pictures but reports say he is up to 240 now which is fantastic.

[basketballRob]

I "love "this narrative
Dennis can't shoot (31% for 3) , but Isaac is improving 3 and D player that can shoot ( 32% for 3 ).
Love it.

Also Aminu is "worst " player because he scored 2 points less than Isaac at same age, allegedly. Isaac shooting 2,5 FGA for 3 points more was never mentioned.


Dennis has issues, but in times i wanted to trade for him Magic did not have Fultz and Grant was there getting PT.
Before everything is set and done, Dennis could be collosal bust but can actually turn into good player. Does not help him that he is on freaking Knicks at all.

Last year rumors were we might trade for either DSJ or Fultz and you were a big advocate for Smith over Fultz. You wanted nothing to do with Fultz.

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[pepe1991]

I "love "this narrative
Dennis can't shoot (31% for 3) , but Isaac is improving 3 and D player that can shoot ( 32% for 3 ).
Love it.

Also Aminu is "worst " player because he scored 2 points less than Isaac at same age, allegedly. Isaac shooting 2,5 FGA for 3 points more was never mentioned.


Dennis has issues, but in times i wanted to trade for him Magic did not have Fultz and Grant was there getting PT.
Before everything is set and done, Dennis could be collosal bust but can actually turn into good player. Does not help him that he is on freaking Knicks at all.

Last year rumors were we might trade for either DSJ or Fultz and you were a big advocate for Smith over Fultz. You wanted nothing to do with Fultz.

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Yep. Since Fultz drama started in 2017 i always posted about him, thought ( and still think) it's one of most confusing situations in sports with so many conflicting reports and complete lack of transparity.

[Knightro]

I "love "this narrative
Dennis can't shoot (31% for 3) , but Isaac is improving 3 and D player that can shoot ( 32% for 3 ).
Love it.

I like you pepe, but it’s very noticeable when someone who clearly has an understanding of advanced metrics as you have shown decides to cherry pick one basic stat to support the argument in the other direction.

Isaac: .523 TS%, .499 eFG%
DSJ: .484 TS%, 459 eFG%

Isaac is certainly not a *great* shooter by any means, but it’s impossible to argue that Smith Jr. isn’t the more harmful shooter of the two considering how much more often he takes lower percentage shots.

Isaac’s shot selection is more in line with the modern NBA. 30% of shots at the rim, 43% of shots from three, sub 10% from all midrange zones.

Smith Jr. compounds his lack of shooting with surprisingly poor finishing ability and a lower career FT rate than Isaac despite his athleticism and the advantage of having the basketball in his hands a lot more.

But you know all this stuff already.

[pepe1991]

I "love "this narrative
Dennis can't shoot (31% for 3) , but Isaac is improving 3 and D player that can shoot ( 32% for 3 ).
Love it.

I like you pepe, but it’s very noticeable when someone who clearly has an understanding of advanced metrics as you have shown decides to cherry pick one basic stat to support the argument in the other direction.

Isaac: .523 TS%, .499 eFG%
DSJ: .484 TS%, 459 eFG%

Isaac is certainly not a *great* shooter by any means, but it’s impossible to argue that Smith Jr. isn’t the more harmful shooter of the two considering how much more often he takes lower percentage shots.

Isaac’s shot selection is more in line with the modern NBA. 30% of shots at the rim, 43% of shots from three, sub 10% from all midrange zones.

Smith Jr. compounds his lack of shooting with surprisingly poor finishing ability and a lower career FT rate than Isaac despite his athleticism and the advantage of having the basketball in his hands a lot more.

But you know all this stuff already.

Career TS% for point guards is 52% i think
for forwards over 56%

It's just nature of a beast, guards tend to shoot most of shots from bigger range,as since they are all smaller, they are not that effective and don't get as much clean looks ( or layups).

I know i'm bit of homer to Smith ,but i liked how he CAN score, not efficient, but point guard position is hardest position to play ,and he is 21.
But as i said above, there is legit chance he is just another high volumen /low efficiency chucker.

[Knightro]

Career TS% for point guards is 52% i think
for forwards over 56%

It's just nature of a beast, guards tend to shoot most of shots from bigger range,as since they are all smaller, they are not that effective and don't get as much clean looks ( or layups).

I know i'm bit of homer to Smith ,but i liked how he CAN score, not efficient, but point guard position is hardest position to play ,and he is 21.
But as i said above, there is legit chance he is just another high volumen /low efficiency chucker.

Like John Hammond said during yesterday's summer league game...

Time is on his side.

I would argue that time is also on Isaac's side considering he's the same age.

I just think Isaac made more tangible improvements from Year 1 to Year 2 than DSJ did.

FG% up 5%
2PT% up 11.6%
FT% up 5.5%
eFG% up 6.5%
TS% up 7.2%
FT Rate up 4.9%
3PT Rate up 11.8%

All things from a shooting perspective for Isaac are trending in the right direction IMO.

Yes, his 3PT% went down slightly, but his overall efficiency went way up because he drew FTs at a much better rate and he chopped his midrange attempts down from 49.6% of his shots to 26.8% of his shots.

Given his shot chart from last year, he doesn't have to improve his 3PT% all that much to see another massive uptick in shooting efficiency.

[drsd]

Btw, it’s laughable to even call DSJ “Francis jr”. Steve’s numbers his first two years crush DSJ’s in every way and he was an all star by year 3..but yeah carry on

To be fair, Francis was a 22 year old rookie, meaning Smith's year-3 will be the age-related comparison to Francis' rookie year.


But you are certainly correct when comparing the years themselves:

Steve Francis (1999-00) vs. Dennis Smith Jr. (2017-18)

Steve Francis (2000-01) vs. Dennis Smith Jr. (2018-19)

That is telling is how poor Smith is at FG% and eFG%. If that doesn't get a lot better, Smith will be relegated to bench duty in the NBA quite quickly.


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[OrlandO]

I don't think it makes sense to make a 1:1 comparison of DSJ and Isaac's efficiency or shooting. DSJ was a PG used as a first option on a bad team, Isaac was a PF used as a 5th option on a playoff team. Completely different roles and shots. DSJ has not impressed me at all though... I wouldn't be surprised if he got a lot better because it can happen in an instant with guards, but he has a lot to improve on to make it as a lead guy and I'm not sure he'll get there... didn't like how he handled the Doncic situation either. I don't know how much Isaac will improve on offense, but I would say he is guaranteed to be the better player if both turn out to be role players.

[PrimeThyme]

It’s not even about not liking DSJ as a player, he was a guy I wanted on draft night && he may figure it out on the right roster someday. It’s more about just not understanding how some posters here are so low on Isaac. Like you don’t have to think he is going to be an All-star but to say DSJ is far and away a better prospect && that Isaac is “Aminu Jr” is just mind boggling to me and lazy.

Other fanbases are even high on Isaac especially after the improvements he made last year, but here posters compare him to a career 7ppg scorer and argue to trade him for a low efficient guard like DSJ. There were posters in game threads up until midseason last year still upset that we didn’t draft DSJ over him.