ezzzp wrote:Skin wrote:1) One way to increase shooting efficiency is to have a PG who knows how to set them up with clean looks.
2) Vuc has been injury riddled as well. Fair swap.
3) Our players are all very mature except Vuc and Fournier who have had open displays of teammate disapproval in the past. Nobody is getting unfairly entitled.
4) "PG is important"... we both agree.
5) Even when he felt that way in NOR it never negatively affected his teammates or his effort on the floor. CP3 likes being in charge. That's why Harden was upset with him. Leadership is what we need. ORL is an upgrade over OKC and if he were to be traded here that'd be a sign that there wasn't a better situation out there for him. So he can't complain.
6) Hypothetical assumption.
7) Okeke could be groomed to play the 2 in the 3 and D mold, but I must reinforce that it'd be much more possible next to Paul than it would be next to Augustin.
8) Birch gives more value per dollar than Vuc does. Not worried about him playing 20+ mpg and feeling like we are in a situation where we couldn't win the game.
Besides, Bamba... Aminu and Isaac can also play C.
Fun, fast, long, athletic, balanced and smart bball. That's fun.
Right now we are a slow, Center-centric, half court team with an unbalanced roster forcing off ball scorers to be dynamic scorers and everyone is out for their own during their contract seasons. That's not fun.
1) Except that teams already don't defend those guys...they've been getting really clean wide open looks anyhow.
What you are talking about is increasing lob/cut dunks (aka highlights). BUT you need floor spacers for that to work. Your trade sends away the two top gravity points in the starting unit and pushes the best 3PT shooter on the team (DJ) to the bench PLUS inserts a 3d ineffective shooting front court player who also wants to dive into the already crowded paint.
2) Chris Paul is already 34, Vucevic is still 28 and has had no chronic injuries. Paul is owed $124m from 34-36...Vucevic is owed $100m through his prime. That's not even remotely close to a fair swap.
3) What? Your making up things again.
4) Nah, we agree that PG is important, BUT you are putting the PG role into a crazily precarious situation + weakening 2 other positions + putting the cap outlook in serious jeopardy all while hoping that a declining and chronically injured 34 year old stays healthy.
5) CP3 just wants things done his way or he creates drama - that's not leadership, that's a diva leveraging. Its why he has created chemistry issues and left disarray on every team he's been on.
6) His decline is not an assumption:
14-15 (29): 6.9 VORP / 26.0 PER / 16.1 WINSHARES
15-16 (30): 6.0 VORP / 26.2 PER / 12.7 WINSHARES
16-17 (31): 5.3 VORP / 26.2 PER / 10.6 WINSHARES
17-18 (32): 4.2 VORP / 24.4 PER / 10.2 WINSHARES
18-19 (33): 2.4 VORP / 19.7 PER / 6.3 WINSHARES
7) Okeke starting at SG is a pretty big stretch. I don't see him able to defend speedy guards full time.
8) Birch does NOT give more value per dollar than Vucevic...that's ridiculous, he plays a 5th option role vs bench units. He's a fine back up, but that's it. Vucevic is a very effective versatile C and #1 option vs starters. Your undervaluing of Vucevic is just absolutely ridiculous. LMAO Isaac is getting tossed around by wings...he isn't even remotely close to being able to play C. Bamba is still 1-2 years away (at best).
That is NOT a fast team...CP3 is a slow pace / half court PG who has lost a lot of his half court effectiveness and will continue to at a rapid rate. Its a slow, poor shooting poor spacing high lottery bad team. Fast pace is over a 100 at minimum...
CP3 Team's PACE/NBA Rank:
14-15 LAC 94.7 (12th)
15-16 LAC 95.8 (14th)
16-17 LAC 96.1 (16th)
17-18 HOU 97.6 (13th)
18-19 HOU 97.9 (26th)
It's all good bro. You made some good points. I started off saying this is unrealistic anyways but I wanted to play devil's advocate. But I don't want to keep this up before it starts to seem like I'm absolutely loving CP3. I think I like the idea of Chris Paul (at a cost I like) more than the actual Chris Paul. But I gotta end this cause after Caron Butler hyping me up about Fultz again I'm way too excited about out going down that road. Let's go Markelle!!!!