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Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time?

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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#61 » by pepe1991 » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:42 am

MagicFrenchie wrote:f**k I forgot about that ...yeah I mean if you have players that plays in NBA that means they are good, why you can't capitalize on it?

Would rather watch Croatia or Slovenia than Venzuela or South Korea... this is fked up

I heard tat the euroleague association and the NBA are in very bad terms with FIBA for that.
And the players are also not OK with playing for qualifiers and after that getting kicked to let the NBA and euroleague players to take their spot.

Horrible system.


It's not even just NBA players, Euroleague teams don't allow players to play it because of risk of injuries.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#62 » by MagicFrenchie » Thu Aug 29, 2019 11:47 am

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MagicFrenchie wrote:The tatoos are a lot related to his Native American origins from his father.


Say what? AG is like a big chief or something?


"Aaron Gordon is the son of former San Diego State basketball star, Ed Gordon. Gordon is part African-American and part Native American. Going further back into his dad’s lineage, Gordon’s great-great grandfather was a Native American Osage Indian who stood seven feet tall. While Ed is a bit shorter than son, Aaron, at 6’6” tall, during his playing days at SDSU, he weighed in at 238 lbs, and played college basketball in the early 1980’s with Tony Gwynn and Michael Cage. Today, he is a school teacher in San Jose."
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#63 » by swarlesbarkley » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:02 pm

LOL at Dwight being the Shaq/Kobe punching bag. Dude's been a joke figuratively and literally since leaving Orlando.
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Post#64 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:40 pm

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RookieStar wrote:
MagicFrenchie wrote:The tatoos are a lot related to his Native American origins from his father.


Say what? AG is like a big chief or something?


"Aaron Gordon is the son of former San Diego State basketball star, Ed Gordon. Gordon is part African-American and part Native American. Going further back into his dad’s lineage, Gordon’s great-great grandfather was a Native American Osage Indian who stood seven feet tall. While Ed is a bit shorter than son, Aaron, at 6’6” tall, during his playing days at SDSU, he weighed in at 238 lbs, and played college basketball in the early 1980’s with Tony Gwynn and Michael Cage. Today, he is a school teacher in San Jose."
makes sense. Osage Indians were known to be at least 6 feet tall and some up to 7 feet. The dominant tribe back in the whateverteenth century.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#65 » by CZ Eddie » Fri Aug 30, 2019 10:33 pm

swarlesbarkley wrote:LOL at Dwight being the Shaq/Kobe punching bag. Dude's been a joke figuratively and literally since leaving Orlando.


He did kinda steal one of Shaq's seventy various nicknames.
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Post#67 » by rcklsscognition » Sun Sep 1, 2019 2:53 pm

Probably a large part of the reason Fournier's legs were not with him on offense last year:

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Question for 19-20: Can Fournier get his conditioning up to play both sides? It doesn't look like Clifford's system has any accommodations for hiding a guy on defense.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#68 » by fendilim » Sun Sep 1, 2019 3:09 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Probably a large part of the reason Fournier's legs were not with him on offense last year:

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Question for 19-20: Can Fournier get his conditioning up to play both sides? It doesn't look like Clifford's system has any accommodations for hiding a guy on defense.

Not surprised, evan is not really good as an individual defender. But he's good at being at the right position. Obviously he is easy to exploit on defense. He is just similar to guys like Redick, Korver, etc. Good team defender, but still not good when put in one on one situations.
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Post#69 » by ezzzp » Sun Sep 1, 2019 6:59 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Probably a large part of the reason Fournier's legs were not with him on offense last year:

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Question for 19-20: Can Fournier get his conditioning up to play both sides? It doesn't look like Clifford's system has any accommodations for hiding a guy on defense.


Could you explain that more? I've always regarded Clifford as a coach that has been very good at masking his team's defensive weaknesses.

In his video series, Fournier and his agent stated that defensive load factored into his shooting.

Being a 2-way player is not something that many players can pull off when they have the level of offensive role that Fournier had. Guys that are good defenders nearly always drop off when they are given a bigger offensive role - and vice versa. Usually really good teams adjust to that with depth or have a good mixture of guys that are very good 1-way to balance off the equation.

Fournier was usually put on the most active guard/wing, while DJ was often hidden on the least mobile threat. That meant Fournier did a lot more running - at fast pace, fighting through screens designed to slow the defender from chasing that primary threat. Gordon did that for the bigger forward/wings. Both ran more than everyone else on the roster and led the team in minutes.

Fournier: 2490 min / 86.30 total defensive miles ran at a 4.02 average speed
Gordon: 2567 min / 84.90 total defensive miles ran at a 3.79 average speed

This is were I believe depth will help. Aminu and Fultz (hypothetically) might give Clifford two better options to allow both Gordon and Fournier to carry a more balanced load (both in minutes and defensive assignments). If Iwundu can become a more reliable offensive player, that could help as well.
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Post#71 » by rcklsscognition » Mon Sep 2, 2019 2:08 pm

For those who may not be in the FIBA stuff.

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Both of these guys are tuned up coming into camp.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: bored - when is it B-ball time? 

Post#72 » by jezzerinho » Mon Sep 2, 2019 2:59 pm

Didn't see the France Germany game in full (extended highlights only) but from those clips Fournier seems to have a little more explosiveness to his movement. Some very good acceleration and really fast deceleration to open space. Given they lack a proper ball handler, France use him as the primary distributor quite a lot and he looked good spreading the ball, some really clever assists and court vision.

Promising.
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Post#73 » by Ducklett » Mon Sep 2, 2019 8:22 pm

jezzerinho wrote:Didn't see the France Germany game in full (extended highlights only) but from those clips Fournier seems to have a little more explosiveness to his movement. Some very good acceleration and really fast deceleration to open space. Given they lack a proper ball handler, France use him as the primary distributor quite a lot and he looked good spreading the ball, some really clever assists and court vision.

Promising.


The fact that he had 10 rebounds shows you how much more talent he has compared to the other people on the court, so I don't know if it actually shows anything. He had a really good game though, maybe this is what he needs to not be hot garbage next season.
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Post#74 » by jezzerinho » Mon Sep 2, 2019 10:51 pm

Ducklett wrote:
jezzerinho wrote:Didn't see the France Germany game in full (extended highlights only) but from those clips Fournier seems to have a little more explosiveness to his movement. Some very good acceleration and really fast deceleration to open space. Given they lack a proper ball handler, France use him as the primary distributor quite a lot and he looked good spreading the ball, some really clever assists and court vision.

Promising.


The fact that he had 10 rebounds shows you how much more talent he has compared to the other people on the court, so I don't know if it actually shows anything. He had a really good game though, maybe this is what he needs to not be hot garbage next season.


Absolutely. But I was trying not to look at the stats or the weak opposition and instead just see how EF himself looked.
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Post#75 » by Knightro » Fri Sep 6, 2019 2:16 pm

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Post#76 » by ezzzp » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:28 pm

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Post#77 » by ezzzp » Fri Sep 6, 2019 7:34 pm

A couple of podcast's with Magic content:

Dunc'd On: Orlando Magic Season Outlook (starts at 1:23:00)

Nate Duncan predicts 40-42 record...with a worse case scenario 28-54 and best case scenario 48-34
Danny Leroux predicts 42-40 record...with a worse case scenario 33-49 and best case scenario 51-31


The Lowe Post

...praise for AG (on why he isn't on Team USA at 29:20) and Magic + AG (starting at 38:53)
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Post#80 » by Blue_and_Whte » Sat Sep 7, 2019 7:37 pm

fendilim wrote:
rcklsscognition wrote:Probably a large part of the reason Fournier's legs were not with him on offense last year:

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Question for 19-20: Can Fournier get his conditioning up to play both sides? It doesn't look like Clifford's system has any accommodations for hiding a guy on defense.

Not surprised, evan is not really good as an individual defender. But he's good at being at the right position. Obviously he is easy to exploit on defense. He is just similar to guys like Redick, Korver, etc. Good team defender, but still not good when put in one on one situations.

Team defense is more important anyway.

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