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Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:27 pm
by pepe1991
PrimeThyme wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Give me Hield !!!
He would really be an outstanding fit on this roster. His season kind of went under the radar last year but he was arguably a top 3 shooter in the NBA. I think he would be a great fit next to Isaac, and as a 2 guard next to Fultz if we move forward with him as our starting PG. I would consider an AG for Hield swap.
You would just have to trade for him knowing there is a real chance he gets maxed this offseason.
Guy is career 42% three point shooter on 1438 attemps and almost 6 attemps per games. Guys like him simply don't grow on threes.
You could do before offseason something like :
Gordon and 2020 pick for Hield and Ariza
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:34 pm
by GelbeWand09
Yea i would prefer Hield over Russell too by a mile.
Other topic:
I really like Clifford & he turned this thing around, but one thing irritates me. In every interview he talks about us missing playmakers, shooting or penetration, but under his helm we selected 2 bigs. In Charlotte with the exeption of Monk (who never played), they drafted always bigs too.
I know WeHam makes the the call, but i doubt the coach doesnt have a big influence too. Maybe not which exact player, but at least the player type Wing, Guard, big.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:43 pm
by Def Swami
pepe1991 wrote:Give me Hield !!!
Bamba and Okeke for Hield
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:48 pm
by PrimeThyme
pepe1991 wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:pepe1991 wrote:Give me Hield !!!
He would really be an outstanding fit on this roster. His season kind of went under the radar last year but he was arguably a top 3 shooter in the NBA. I think he would be a great fit next to Isaac, and as a 2 guard next to Fultz if we move forward with him as our starting PG. I would consider an AG for Hield swap.
You would just have to trade for him knowing there is a real chance he gets maxed this offseason.
Guy is career 42% three point shooter on 1438 attemps and almost 6 attemps per games. Guys like him simply don't grow on threes.
You could do before offseason something like :
Gordon and 2020 pick for Hield and Ariza
It's just hard for me to fathom why they would trade him. Bogdan is the same age and isnt as good as Hield. Maybe they would just rather pay Bog at a discounted price? But Hield feels worth the 110 million he is asking for right now. His skillset is too valuable in todays NBA. I still think they extend him, it just doesn't make sense not to.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 2:56 pm
by GelbeWand09
PrimeThyme wrote:pepe1991 wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:He would really be an outstanding fit on this roster. His season kind of went under the radar last year but he was arguably a top 3 shooter in the NBA. I think he would be a great fit next to Isaac, and as a 2 guard next to Fultz if we move forward with him as our starting PG. I would consider an AG for Hield swap.
You would just have to trade for him knowing there is a real chance he gets maxed this offseason.
Guy is career 42% three point shooter on 1438 attemps and almost 6 attemps per games. Guys like him simply don't grow on threes.
You could do before offseason something like :
Gordon and 2020 pick for Hield and Ariza
It's just hard for me to fathom why they would trade him. Bogdan is the same age and isnt as good as Hield. Maybe they would just rather pay Bog at a discounted price? But Hield feels worth the 110 million he is asking for right now. His skillset is too valuable in todays NBA. I still think they extend him, it just doesn't make sense not to.
Yea dont think they gonna trade him too, but Gordon would be great in Sac too. A year a go i woudnt say that but Bagley shows promise as a Center now too. I thought he is too bad on defense to play Center, but he looks much improved and even upped his Shotblocking. Fastbreaks initiated by Fox with AG & Bagley as running mates
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 3:09 pm
by PrimeThyme
GelbeWand09 wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:pepe1991 wrote:
Guy is career 42% three point shooter on 1438 attemps and almost 6 attemps per games. Guys like him simply don't grow on threes.
You could do before offseason something like :
Gordon and 2020 pick for Hield and Ariza
It's just hard for me to fathom why they would trade him. Bogdan is the same age and isnt as good as Hield. Maybe they would just rather pay Bog at a discounted price? But Hield feels worth the 110 million he is asking for right now. His skillset is too valuable in todays NBA. I still think they extend him, it just doesn't make sense not to.
Yea dont think they gonna trade him too, but Gordon would be great in Sac too. A year a go i woudnt say that but Bagley shows promise as a Center now too. I thought he is too bad on defense to play Center, but he looks much improved and even upped his Shotblocking. Fastbreaks initiated by Fox with AG & Bagley as running mates
Fox/Bogdan/Barnes/AG/Bagely would be a legitimate core going forward. Him and Fox in the open court would be a deadly combo.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:05 pm
by yoyojw17
Well Beal just signed his extension with the Wizards.
lol
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 4:56 pm
by OrlChamps2030
yoyojw17 wrote:Well Beal just signed his extension with the Wizards.
lol
At least we don’t have to waste any more time reading trade proposals of Fournier/Bamba/2020 lotto protected first for Beal.
Beals a beast, he fits the meta of the NBA perfectly and can fit on almost any team. Still really young too. Nice move by the Wizards
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Thu Oct 17, 2019 8:44 pm
by pepe1991
PrimeThyme wrote:GelbeWand09 wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:It's just hard for me to fathom why they would trade him. Bogdan is the same age and isnt as good as Hield. Maybe they would just rather pay Bog at a discounted price? But Hield feels worth the 110 million he is asking for right now. His skillset is too valuable in todays NBA. I still think they extend him, it just doesn't make sense not to.
Yea dont think they gonna trade him too, but Gordon would be great in Sac too. A year a go i woudnt say that but Bagley shows promise as a Center now too. I thought he is too bad on defense to play Center, but he looks much improved and even upped his Shotblocking. Fastbreaks initiated by Fox with AG & Bagley as running mates
Fox/Bogdan/Barnes/AG/Bagely would be a legitimate core going forward. Him and Fox in the open court would be a deadly combo.
Gordon is also much better suited for what Kings try to run, high volumen, high pace offense with lot of transition.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 12:11 am
by Xatticus
PrimeThyme wrote:pepe1991 wrote:PrimeThyme wrote:He would really be an outstanding fit on this roster. His season kind of went under the radar last year but he was arguably a top 3 shooter in the NBA. I think he would be a great fit next to Isaac, and as a 2 guard next to Fultz if we move forward with him as our starting PG. I would consider an AG for Hield swap.
You would just have to trade for him knowing there is a real chance he gets maxed this offseason.
Guy is career 42% three point shooter on 1438 attemps and almost 6 attemps per games. Guys like him simply don't grow on threes.
You could do before offseason something like :
Gordon and 2020 pick for Hield and Ariza
It's just hard for me to fathom why they would trade him. Bogdan is the same age and isnt as good as Hield. Maybe they would just rather pay Bog at a discounted price? But Hield feels worth the 110 million he is asking for right now. His skillset is too valuable in todays NBA. I still think they extend him, it just doesn't make sense not to.
He isn't available. They are just negotiating right now and Hield took it public. He will be a RFA after this season, so he is pretty far away from being a realistic target.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 2:28 pm
by rcklsscognition
Fournier and Vuc saw these cans on twitter and asked Budweiser to throw a party. Request granted:
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:05 pm
by SOUL
rcklsscognition wrote:Fournier and Vuc saw these cans on twitter and asked Budweiser to throw a party. Request granted:
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:24 pm
by ezzzp
Here are some facts about the past DECADE of NBA basketball:
In the past decade of NBA Conference Finals:
28 teams have had Top 10 Offenses
28 teams have had Top 10 Defenses
18 teams have had Top 10 BothIn the past decade of NBA Conference Semi-Finals (2nd Round):
51 teams have had Top 10 Offenses
48 teams have had Top 10 Defenses
25 teams have had Top 10 Both• 2009-10 Conference Finals Top 10 Offenses: 2
Top 10 Defenses: 3
Top 10 Both: 1
2nd Round Top 10 Offenses: 6
Top 10 Defenses: 6
Top 10 Both: 4
• 2010-11 Conference Finals Top 10 Offenses: 2
Top 10 Defenses: 2
Top 10 Both: 1
2nd Round Top 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 4
Top 10 Both: 2
• 2011-12 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 3
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 6
Top 10 Defenses: 5
Top 10 Both: 3
• 2012-13 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 1
Top 10 Defenses: 4
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 6
Top 10 Both: 3
• 2013-14 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 3
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 5
Top 10 Defenses: 5
Top 10 Both: 3
• 2014-15 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 3
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 5
Top 10 Both: 2
• 2015-16 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 4
Top 10 Both: 3
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 5
Top 10 Both: 3
• 2016-17 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 2
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 7
Top 10 Defenses: 3
Top 10 Both: 2
• 2017-18 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 3
Top 10 Defenses: 2
Top 10 Both: 1
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 5
Top 10 Both: 2
• 2018-19 Conference FinalsTop 10 Offenses: 4
Top 10 Defenses: 2
Top 10 Both: 2
2nd RoundTop 10 Offenses: 8
Top 10 Defenses: 4
Top 10 Both: 4
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Fri Oct 18, 2019 11:34 pm
by RookieStar
Ok I might sound like a broken record again BUT where the heck is our player measurements? Isnt it the deadline already? Other teams are releasing theirs which shows a few surprises..
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:28 pm
by orthoman
My comments here are only based on what I've seen in all the preseason games, and IMO only..
1. I see Bamba as a nice backup to Vuc, with tremendous upside and growth, he could be a beast in a few years; however I am concerned about his lack of "fire"; he reminds me of Moe Harkless when Moe was here..lack of energy and stands around. I see him as the successor to Vuc, though. It is interesting, though, that he is a good shooter, from distance.
2. Fultz lacks offensive aggression, although this could be due to his rustiness and time away from the game. He does have this "swagger" about him which is neat..reminds me of Earl "The Pearl" Monroe and Kyrie Irving, although his shot is not like Irvings' yet.
3. Isaac may be our greatest asset, especially on defense. He enters the game with fire and energy, unlike Bamba.
4. I am concerned about Gordon..he seems to be a hybrid...and has not shown significant improvement over the years...I think he has reached his ceiling? Maybe a good trade piece for a shooter.
5. Vuc and Fornier will be more of the same from last year..maybe a lazy year from Vuc due to his big contract?
6. We really need more shooters. I like Ross coming off the bench and flying 3's; but we need more first unit shooting.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 12:44 pm
by orthoman
I also meant to add that I think Fultz will come alive, with time, as long as he remains healthy and his shot is not hindered by TOS recurrence. The key is his health. He could become a star. (but he also could become a bust)
Has anyone noticed him "twitching his shoulder/right arm" in the preseason..I have not noticed.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:03 pm
by Knightro
I would take Hield or Bogdanović in a second.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:05 pm
by Def Swami
The Kings front office might be one of the few that we could pull a fast one on and sell them on the upside of Mo Bamba for Buddy Hield.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 1:37 pm
by GelbeWand09
orthoman wrote:My comments here are only based on what I've seen in all the preseason games, and IMO only..
1. I see Bamba as a nice backup to Vuc, with tremendous upside and growth, he could be a beast in a few years; however I am concerned about his lack of "fire"; he reminds me of Moe Harkless when Moe was here..lack of energy and stands around. I see him as the successor to Vuc, though. It is interesting, though, that he is a good shooter, from distance.
2. Fultz lacks offensive aggression, although this could be due to his rustiness and time away from the game. He does have this "swagger" about him which is neat..reminds me of Earl "The Pearl" Monroe and Kyrie Irving, although his shot is not like Irvings' yet.
3. Isaac may be our greatest asset, especially on defense. He enters the game with fire and energy, unlike Bamba.
4. I am concerned about Gordon..he seems to be a hybrid...and has not shown significant improvement over the years...I think he has reached his ceiling? Maybe a good trade piece for a shooter.
5. Vuc and Fornier will be more of the same from last year..maybe a lazy year from Vuc due to his big contract?
6. We really need more shooters. I like Ross coming off the bench and flying 3's; but we need more first unit shooting.
The Gordon part i see a lot different. I'm not really a fan of him offensively, but he probably made the biggest improvement of all our drafted rookies (in his time here, so not Dipo). The guy was a 42% FT shooter at Arizona with no offense at all (50% TS). Last year alone, he improved his playmaking by a lot.
The problem is mentally. He was drafted at the wrong time in our rebuild. He wants to be a star now, but in reality he is the perfect roleplayer. He would be a really good player, if he played to his strentgh.
Re: Official Speculation Thread ‘19-'20 III: It's B-ball Time !!!
Posted: Sat Oct 19, 2019 2:04 pm
by Knightro
I would give up anyone on the roster not named Jonathan Isaac for Hield. Like without question.