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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1061 » by Tarheel » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:56 am

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MoMM wrote:Nuggets vs Heat in the finals, that's my guess.


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Silver definitely getting on the snitch line and saying Jokic, Murray and Butler are all breaking quarantine if they threaten to win the series'
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Post#1062 » by p0peye » Thu Sep 17, 2020 9:41 pm

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SD2042 wrote:When will their time come when this franchise will get this right?


Either Smart or Exum could be good targets to replace Augustin. Depends on where Carter-Williams lands.

But Exum on a one-year LLE and a resign of Carter-Williams to two-years 7M leads to a nice depth chart:
Fultz/Carter-Williams/Exum

I am really ok with that sort of notion for the 2020/21 PG depth chart.

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As in either of them would fit in with Fultz and MCW? We gonna rock a squad of defensive non-shooting PGs.

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Post#1063 » by SD2042 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 10:16 pm

drsd wrote:
SD2042 wrote:When will their time come when this franchise will get this right?


Either Smart or Exum could be good targets to replace Augustin. Depends on where Carter-Williams lands.

But Exum on a one-year LLE and a resign of Carter-Williams to two-years 7M leads to a nice depth chart:
Fultz/Carter-Williams/Exum

I am really ok with that sort of notion for the 2020/21 PG depth chart.

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The Magic had their opportunity to acquire Smart five years ago. It didn't happen then. The Celtics will not give up Smart so easily.


Exum can't stay healthy enough to take a chance on for a contract. MCW's future is in the air. He was decent for the minutes he played for the team.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1064 » by jayu70 » Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:58 pm

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I'm really not sold on him nor Pelicans.

Teams just run like maniacs, boost pace, shoot with 20 shots on the clock and inflate stats like no other team.

There is no other way how to explain how 23 ppg allstar wing, 19 ppg former allstar PG, 15 ppg starter, 22 ppg rookie, 12-7-6 third year player all combine for... 30-42 record.

Just like Hawks have, on paper , 30 ppg pg, 22 ppg center and 15 ppg bench scorer and they all combine for... 20-47 record ...

I think Zion will always have nice numbers, i'm not sure it will ever translate into nice teams. i also simply can't see value of 6'7 center in half court who can't shoot to save his life.


Hawks entire team is young as hell. At least 5 of them that are getting minutes. Trae, Huerter, Collins, Hunter, Reddish, etc. Magic team from rebuilding past years had collection of decent-good talent at best but too young to win. A team with all of those players NOW is like a "solid" playoff team but still not getting past 2nd round or beating a team with a legit 1-2 punch + solid roleplayers. But not as bad as they were years ago. Hawks will probably trade the ones that they can't wait long on and mix them with Trae/Collins.

Pelicans team also young even though they had a mix of vets and young or inexperienced NBA guys. Zo/Ingram/Zion/NAW/Melli (not young but inexperienced in NBA)/Hayes. A lot of guys who played minutes who are 22 and younger and even the older young guys like Zo/Ingram aren't good enough to carry teams with a year or 2 of experience. That team will look drastically different in the upcoming years around Zion.

Too early though. I know you like to judge people quick pepe :D but even the goats have waited 7, 8, 9 seasons for teams that are even close enough to sniff championship. Even if these guys aren't #1 options on great teams like LeBron or what Luka seems like he's turning into.. gotta give them time to learn and improve. I can see Zion doing a lot of damage in small ball teams.

All of those teams that have big hype with a lot of young players always disappoint. Sixers might have been the only one recently that hadn't but they surrounded them with steady guys in the past few years and that was after they moved a lot of their other younger guys like Nerlens, Okafor, MCW, etc.

We'll see what happens though. I think there is a lot of talent in the league so for Zion to crack top 5 or top 10 might be hard but like I said it all starts with his conditioning.



it's all fun and games until you find yourself 1-2 years later paying same guys $30M a year and still not winning anything.
Collins and Young are eligiable for extension after 2020-21 .
Dedmon and Capella combining for $31M a year for next 2 and 3 years.
Huerter also needs new contract within 2 years. Guy is payed $2,5M a year.

Pelicans same story, Ingram can ask as much as 5 years, $167M deal ( average salary of $33 M ). Actually it looks like he can actually scale up to $200M total over 5 years :lol: Lonzo needs new contract, add $18-20M there, add Jrue Holiday and his massive $27M for next 2 years and that's your team, for better of worst, for next 3 years ( or so, since in about same time you get rid of Jrue, you have to pay Zion ). Zion's contract is already scaling up to $10M a year.


All that in... shrining salary cap years...

Just came to say that Dedmon's last year is guaranteed for only $1 million.
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Post#1065 » by OrlChamps2030 » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:36 am

Either of these teams would have absolutely dogged this Magic squad.. just another sobering realization as to how far this organization is from competing yet front office/ownership keeps pushing to make the 8th seed and get that participation trophy
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Post#1066 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Sep 18, 2020 1:53 am

Damn, those Heat just killing it. Pretty exciting to watch a team play like a team. No real superstars dominating, just great team play where everyone is playing a winning role.
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Post#1067 » by Ducklett » Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:58 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:Damn, those Heat just killing it. Pretty exciting to watch a team play like a team. No real superstars dominating, just great team play where everyone is playing a winning role.


Maybe Boston will fire Brad Stevens if they get swept and we can swoop in for the steal.
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Post#1068 » by MagicFan101 » Wed Sep 23, 2020 2:06 pm

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BadMofoPimp wrote:Damn, those Heat just killing it. Pretty exciting to watch a team play like a team. No real superstars dominating, just great team play where everyone is playing a winning role.


Maybe Boston will fire Brad Stevens if they get swept and we can swoop in for the steal.


I’m sure you’re kidding.

Still, Boston isn’t run by fools who make knee jerk decisions such as this. Boston has a good thing going but they still lack a mega superstar. I know, I know ... they have Tatum. He feels like their Porzingis; their 1(b) ... they still need their Doncic.

Stevens is not the problem, assuming they have a problem.
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Post#1069 » by thelead » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:59 am

Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:
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Post#1070 » by Optimus_Steel » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:04 am

Magic needed guards, have for years. We drafted another forward, and an injured one. Rookie Herro just exploded for 35 pts in conference finals game....Why can't our team make picks that make sense?
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1071 » by SOUL » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:55 am

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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1072 » by pepe1991 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:20 am

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Post#1073 » by pepe1991 » Thu Sep 24, 2020 7:28 am

Optimus_Steel wrote:Magic needed guards, have for years. We drafted another forward, and an injured one. Rookie Herro just exploded for 35 pts in conference finals game....Why can't our team make picks that make sense?


That would require pulling heads from wingspan a*** and not acting they are smarter than everybody else.
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Post#1074 » by Skybox » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:10 am

pepe1991 wrote:
Optimus_Steel wrote:Magic needed guards, have for years. We drafted another forward, and an injured one. Rookie Herro just exploded for 35 pts in conference finals game....Why can't our team make picks that make sense?


That would require pulling heads from wingspan a*** and not acting they are smarter than everybody else.


Herro would be buried on ORL bench...patiently developing
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Post#1075 » by zaymon » Thu Sep 24, 2020 11:59 am

thelead wrote:Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:


Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1076 » by thelead » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:23 pm

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thelead wrote:Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:


Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.

Forget their numbers. WATCH the game. Herro's handle, decision making and finishing ability is head and shoulders above CURRENT/PRIME Evan.... as a rookie.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1077 » by MartinsIzAfraud » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:25 pm

thelead wrote:
zaymon wrote:
thelead wrote:Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:


Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.

Forget their numbers. WATCH the game. Herro's handle, decision making and finishing ability is head and shoulders above CURRENT/PRIME Evan.... as a rookie.


quoted wrong person but same topic.


:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: you're kidding right?? Let's take away team spacing and make him something he isn't then judge him. Sounds like something our FO would do :lol:

Herro was never a primary ball handler and never will be. He's a combo guard who can run an offense if needed & not look completely lost. Herro is averaging 33 minutes in the playoffs and averaged 27 in the regular season. He's as close to a starter without being on the court opening tip.

Herro has a brighter future than just about every single player on this magic team and it's not even close
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1078 » by zaymon » Thu Sep 24, 2020 2:32 pm

thelead wrote:
zaymon wrote:
thelead wrote:Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:


Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.

Forget their numbers. WATCH the game. Herro's handle, decision making and finishing ability is head and shoulders above CURRENT/PRIME Evan.... as a rookie.

I watched most of Herro's games in the post season, as i said, he is impressive. Certainly above playoff Fournier, but i wouldnt say above regular season Fournier. You cant just take the roster context out of equation and call it a day. I will agree that Herro future looks much better than Fournier's right now.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1079 » by Skybox » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:07 pm

zaymon wrote:
thelead wrote:Who was saying that Herro is a lesser version of Evan? :lol:


Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.


Volume is a HUGE factor...these guys destroyed at every level every year since they were 8 years old. Putting them on the shelf to learn how to play basketball is a setback (with some exceptions-I would include Fultz). Draft killers and let them keep killing...Giannis and Siakim "still learning the game" types are the real outliers. I feel that we may be squelching talent by coddling them. If they are truly the competitive self-believers you hoped, a little rookie adversity can be a catapult, IMO. That's why per 48 stats are silly...if they were that good, they'd be playing.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1080 » by thelead » Thu Sep 24, 2020 3:23 pm

zaymon wrote:
thelead wrote:
zaymon wrote:
Me. When you look at their age 20 regular season numbers there is nothing really special about Herro outside volume. Obviously he is balling out in playoffs, but remember he is their last ball handling option after Dragic and Butler with Robinson running around screens and Adebayo being de facto another high usage ball handler. Taking nothing from Herro i love how he plays. His reads are really mature i didnt know he had so advanced passing game.
I liked Herro before the draft my comparison was strictly age 20 regular season. Still Tyler has a long way to go. Great playoff series at age 20 are immpressive but not be all and end all. Lets see him first as a starter and primary ball handler with team without spacing to make the judgement.

Forget their numbers. WATCH the game. Herro's handle, decision making and finishing ability is head and shoulders above CURRENT/PRIME Evan.... as a rookie.

I watched most of Herro's games in the post season, as i said, he is impressive. Certainly above playoff Fournier, but i wouldnt say above regular season Fournier. You cant just take the roster context out of equation and call it a day. I will agree that Herro future looks much better than Fournier's right now.


Herro just scored 37 points in a conference finals game to lead his team to victory... Evan Fournier's career high is 32 points against one of the worst teams ever (tanking warriors this season)... WTF are you talking about Herro not being better than regular season Evan?
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