Around the NBA, 2020/21 Edition

[MagicFan101]

Ugh,

Michael Porter Jr, is still on a minutes restriction but it doesn’t matter. He was out of control last night.

29 minutes (in overtime)
24 points
9-15 on FG
3-7 on 3pt
5 reb
2 ast
2 stl
3 blk


Ugh, I screamed to anyone who would listen that he was worth the risk that year. We clearly have the appetite for drafting injured players and waiting (Chuma) why couldn’t we have done it for a far more talented player?

Completely fair that Denver is rumored to list MPjr as untouchable in Harden trade talks.

We pretty much did that (sitting out) to Isaac and Bamba for half a year and people here already complain. What more for a whole year.

I don’t care about the constantly negative group of people here. I care about acquiring better talent.

Is you point that it is more important to appease whiny fans than to have better players?

Imagine having MPjr and NAW today rather than Bamba and Okeke? ... (as I suspect we would not take F Okeke if F MPjr was that pick).

[Knightro]

Two things come to mind in regards to Michael Porter Jr and that whole situation.

1. There is just a lot more uncertainty with back injuries than knee injuries. We've seen dozens of guys come back and play at a high level after a torn ACL. It was just not as clear cut in terms of how MPJ would recover and how well he'd regain his ability considering his first back surgery didn't take and he had to have a second back surgery.

Obviously he's bounced back from it incredibly well, but I can totally understand why there would be a lot pause in selecting a player who needs two back surgeries before he ever steps foot on an NBA court.

2. There's a big difference between picking a guy who is injured at 16 and picking a guy who is injured at 6. I believe the Magic thought Okeke even with his injury was going to end up as the best player on the board at that spot because it's basically a matter of preference once you get outside of the lottery. There's no consensus BPA that deep into the 1st round.

Conversely, I think the Magic (and most, if not all other teams) had Bamba as the BPA once Doncic and Young were gone.

Hindsight being 20/20, then you obviously pick MPJ and not Bamba, but I don't think anyone should pretend that Bamba wasn't pretty much universally considered a top 7 prospect on talent.

[fendilim]

Ugh,

Michael Porter Jr, is still on a minutes restriction but it doesn’t matter. He was out of control last night.

29 minutes (in overtime)
24 points
9-15 on FG
3-7 on 3pt
5 reb
2 ast
2 stl
3 blk


Ugh, I screamed to anyone who would listen that he was worth the risk that year. We clearly have the appetite for drafting injured players and waiting (Chuma) why couldn’t we have done it for a far more talented player?

Completely fair that Denver is rumored to list MPjr as untouchable in Harden trade talks.

We pretty much did that (sitting out) to Isaac and Bamba for half a year and people here already complain. What more for a whole year.

I don’t care about the constantly negative group of people here. I care about acquiring better talent.

Is you point that it is more important to appease whiny fans than to have better players?

Imagine having MPjr and NAW today rather than Bamba and Okeke? ... (as I suspect we would not take F Okeke if F MPjr was that pick).

Meh. I dont believe we would have taken MPJr either. Since WeHam has taken over, their ranking looks similar to WARP of Kevin Pelton. I think we would still have taken them.

[pepe1991]

Pelicans are group of most inflated stat chasers i have ever seen.
You have Zion on 20 ppg
Ingram on 20 ppg
Lonzo chasing 15
Bledsoe will probably chase 15-18 points
JJ -15-18

and they still only look ok only when they are ingaged into brainless run&gun. Probably another 30 wins season.
Whole roster is mentally challenged when it comes to half court. Adams might be most valuable player contender could use on whole roster, than JJ. But that's literally it.

[Knightro]

Pelicans are group of most inflated stat chasers i have ever seen.
You have Zion on 20 ppg
Ingram on 20 ppg
Lonzo chasing 15
Bledsoe will probably chase 15-18 points
JJ -15-18

and they still only look ok only when they are ingaged into brainless run&gun. Probably another 30 wins season.
Whole roster is mentally challenged when it comes to half court. Adams might be most valuable player contender could use on whole roster, than JJ. But that's literally it.

I don't like Stan's current rotation.

Zion and Adams are both good players, but it kills spacing when you play the two of them together with Bledsoe.

The sooner they can transition away from Bledsoe and Hart and towards Kira Lewis Jr and NAW, the better off they'll be.

[Ducklett]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

[tiderulz]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

played 1 preseason game. 14 pts 5 rebs 2 asts. 4-8 from 3.

[Ducklett]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

played 1 preseason game. 14 pts 5 rebs 2 asts. 4-8 from 3.

So is he in the doghouse or injured?

[Knightro]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

He and Lewis Jr. are not currently in the rotation. Don't think either of them are necessarily in the doghouse, there's just no room at the moment.

Unlike a lot of coaches who are playing 10 or even 11 guys early on, Stan said he was only going to play a tight 8 or 9 man rotation.

Through two games NOP's rotation looks like this...

Bledsoe/Ball/Ingram/Williamson/Adams
Hart/Redick/Melli/Hayes

Basically Stan is opting to play his veterans Bledsoe and Hart over the two younger guys. We'll see how long it lasts.

[Ducklett]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

He and Lewis Jr. are not currently in the rotation. Don't think either of them are necessarily in the doghouse, there's just no room at the moment.

Unlike a lot of coaches who are playing 10 or even 11 guys early on, Stan said he was only going to play a tight 8 or 9 man rotation.

Through two games NOP's rotation looks like this...

Bledsoe/Ball/Ingram/Williamson/Adams
Hart/Redick/Melli/Hayes

Basically Stan is opting to play his veterans Bledsoe and Hart over the two younger guys. We'll see how long it lasts.

Stan seems like he has a history of just playing the best player for the situation regardless of the age of the player. I wonder if he has changed or if NAW and Lewis just arent very good.

[Bensational]

Is NAW injured or just that bad that he is racking up DNP-CD already?

I think NAW is getting the young JJ treatment, and really being made to earn his minutes. But JJ vouches for him, so I think he will really work out well for NOP if Stan and JJ can make NAW as well rounded as JJ.

Similar for Kira, too. NOP just has a super deep team in the backcourt and not enough minutes to go around, but at some point in the future I think both NAW and Kira rise to the top above Bledsoe, Hart and when JJ transitions into a coaching assistant with Stan.

[basketballRob]

I bet you could get Oubre cheap right now.

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[Knightro]

I bet you could get Oubre cheap right now.

For good reason. He's pretty bad and in the last year of his deal looking for a big extension.

Not interested.

[basketballRob]

I bet you could get Oubre cheap right now.

For good reason. He's pretty bad and in the last year of his deal looking for a big extension.

Not interested.

The only way I'd take him is if they included the Minnesota pick they have next season. He doesn't really make sense for our team tho.

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[pepe1991]

Wiggins and Oubre are equivalent of quality of Jennings and Monta Elise.

[Ducklett]

Wiggins and Oubre are equivalent of quality of Jennings and Monta Elise.

I don't think I have seen a basketball Elise skin. Is that new?

[RookieStar]

I bet you could get Oubre cheap right now.

For good reason. He's pretty bad and in the last year of his deal looking for a big extension.

Not interested.

Which should be the opposite in that we have Contract Year players playing lights out..

[pepe1991]

Pelicans are group of most inflated stat chasers i have ever seen.
You have Zion on 20 ppg
Ingram on 20 ppg
Lonzo chasing 15
Bledsoe will probably chase 15-18 points
JJ -15-18

and they still only look ok only when they are ingaged into brainless run&gun. Probably another 30 wins season.
Whole roster is mentally challenged when it comes to half court. Adams might be most valuable player contender could use on whole roster, than JJ. But that's literally it.

I don't like Stan's current rotation.

Zion and Adams are both good players, but it kills spacing when you play the two of them together with Bledsoe.

The sooner they can transition away from Bledsoe and Hart and towards Kira Lewis Jr and NAW, the better off they'll be.

Nah, too many young players. WIll never wok.
They need to find few vets that fits what they are trying to build. LIke Hawks did.

But i don't know what they are trying to build. They have lot of missfits among young players. I'm not sure what execlly Lonzo's future on Pelicans is? IF he won't do anaything but take 3s, there is no reason to exstend him.

Where to play Zion? He cloggs the paint, he is too short for center.


I see very objective scenario where Zion is never more impactful than Griffin and Ingram is no defense Paul George and they waste 4,5 years trying to build something, and it turns into complete flop.
Pretty much that's how AD career with them went. And AD is 5 times more talented than anything they have now.

[Ducklett]

Anyone else miss watching Magic games on Christmas. It has been a decade since we have been there. That is so depressing. Maybe in another 10 years!

[basketballRob]

DJ had a good game. I read thru their game chat and they were talking about him being the missing piece. Lol

The Pelicans will be fine, i wouldn't be surprised if they weren't a top 4 team.



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