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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1961 » by tiderulz » Wed May 19, 2021 12:07 pm

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Pokuševski has shown lot of talent tho.
Guy started nba season at age of 18. Guy weights 190 pounds at 7 foot. He is so phyiscally underdeveloped that only way how he can score is via true talent. And yet, 5 times this year he scored 20+ points, 12 times he had at least 4 assists, 9 times grabbed at least 8 rebounds.

He should have been 2021 draft prospect.

yeah, but is it the much bandy'd, volume pts on a bad team? he is an absolute horrible shooter. is he just scoring because the rest of the team is worse than a G-League team?


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look at him, guy needs to add 50 pounds. But fluidity he moves at 7 foot is super unique and impressive.

yeah, but give him 50 lbs and he most likely will not move as fluidly
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Post#1962 » by pepe1991 » Wed May 19, 2021 12:34 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:yeah, but is it the much bandy'd, volume pts on a bad team? he is an absolute horrible shooter. is he just scoring because the rest of the team is worse than a G-League team?


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look at him, guy needs to add 50 pounds. But fluidity he moves at 7 foot is super unique and impressive.

yeah, but give him 50 lbs and he most likely will not move as fluidly


He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1963 » by tiderulz » Wed May 19, 2021 12:58 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
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look at him, guy needs to add 50 pounds. But fluidity he moves at 7 foot is super unique and impressive.

yeah, but give him 50 lbs and he most likely will not move as fluidly


He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.

his horrible shooting is strength related?
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1964 » by zaymon » Wed May 19, 2021 2:16 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:yeah, but give him 50 lbs and he most likely will not move as fluidly


He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.

his horrible shooting is strength related?


Kind of. He has to compensate for the lack of strength with his shooting form.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1965 » by tiderulz » Wed May 19, 2021 2:52 pm

zaymon wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.

his horrible shooting is strength related?


Kind of. He has to compensate for the lack of strength with his shooting form.

he would have learned to do that years ago. that argument doesnt hold me for
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1966 » by Xatticus » Wed May 19, 2021 5:09 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:yeah, but give him 50 lbs and he most likely will not move as fluidly


He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.

his horrible shooting is strength related?


He’s just really young and physically underdeveloped. Give him time. His skill base and feel are really good for a 7-footer.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1967 » by tiderulz » Wed May 19, 2021 5:22 pm

Xatticus wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
He is so severely underweight that adding lean muscle mass should actually make him better athlete.

He has solid looking jumpshot, he moves really,really well and he can handle the ball.

But you look at his production ,guy shot 54% inside 3 feet. needless to say it's pathetic. Direct co-relation with fact that by strenght, he is weakest active nba player today, including guards.

Same was with Brandon Ingram, simply too skinny to do anything in rookie year, but even Ingram shot 60 %inside 3 feet ( nowdays he shoots 68% ) , same happend to even elite prospect like Durant (60,7% in rookie year 83% nowdays )

Pokuševski weaknesses are almost all weight and strenght related. Even if he can't shoot, being mobile 7 footer with shotblocking & ballhandling potential is nice.

People make big deal off how young Jonathan Kuminga is . Pokuševski is 9 months older.
Younger than Cade. Younger than Suggs. 2 months older than Green.

Again, he should have been 2021 draftee, not 2020. This is like "gratis" year for him.

his horrible shooting is strength related?


He’s just really young and physically underdeveloped. Give him time. His skill base and feel are really good for a 7-footer.

but you add 50 lbs, his game is going to change
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1968 » by Knightro » Wed May 19, 2021 5:26 pm

Put me in the category that Pokuševski is going to be good. He needs time to develop, but there's NBA skill there.
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Post#1969 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 19, 2021 5:26 pm

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If there is any truth to this and Orlando misses out on one of the top 3 guards in this class, do we try to trade these pick(s) for Sexton?

Even if we land a top guard like Green ... would we trade the Chicago pick + a future pick + a young player for Sexton and pay him big $$$?
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Post#1970 » by Knightro » Wed May 19, 2021 5:35 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:If there is any truth to this and Orlando misses out on one of the top 3 guards in this class, do we try to trade these pick(s) for Sexton?

Even if we land a top guard like Green ... would we trade the Chicago pick + a future pick + a young player for Sexton and pay him big $$$?


Sexton is a very interesting case study.

The guy is legit three-level scorer who averaged 24 PPG on above average efficiency at 22 years old. He's a career .385 3PT shooter on 815 attempts. The shooting is real. That's valuable!

The problem is he's a 6'1" shooting guard. He can't defend 2's at all, but he has no tangible point guard skills. So you have to cross-match him with a bigger point guard who can defend wings to have any chance to have a moderately successful defense.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1971 » by MagicFan101 » Wed May 19, 2021 5:50 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:If there is any truth to this and Orlando misses out on one of the top 3 guards in this class, do we try to trade these pick(s) for Sexton?

Even if we land a top guard like Green ... would we trade the Chicago pick + a future pick + a young player for Sexton and pay him big $$$?


Sexton is a very interesting case study.

The guy is legit three-level scorer who averaged 24 PPG on above average efficiency at 22 years old. He's a career .385 3PT shooter on 815 attempts. The shooting is real. That's valuable!

The problem is he's a 6'1" shooting guard. He can't defend 2's at all, but he has no tangible point guard skills. So you have to cross-match him with a bigger point guard who can defend wings to have any chance to have a moderately successful offense.


Ah, thanks for the update. I haven’t watched any Cavs games beyond their Magic matchups (why would I?) so I really don’t have a good feel for Sexton beyond the impressive stats.

Perhaps Sexton alongside a playmaking guard like Cade could semi-work?
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Post#1972 » by Knightro » Wed May 19, 2021 5:53 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Ah, thanks for the update. I haven’t watched any Cavs games beyond their Magic matchups (why would I?) so I really don’t have a good feel for Sexton beyond the impressive stats.

Perhaps Sexton alongside a playmaking guard like Cade could semi-work?


Yeah I mean that's what you need. To pair him with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. Someone who can handle the point guard role, but also guard wings.

That won't really solve Sexton's inability to guard any position, but it's a step in the right direction.

Sexton can really score and I'm not in the business of poo pooing on guys who can score pretty efficiently in a scoring league, but that's quite literally the only thing he does well.
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Post#1973 » by RookieStar » Wed May 19, 2021 8:33 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Ah, thanks for the update. I haven’t watched any Cavs games beyond their Magic matchups (why would I?) so I really don’t have a good feel for Sexton beyond the impressive stats.

Perhaps Sexton alongside a playmaking guard like Cade could semi-work?


Yeah I mean that's what you need. To pair him with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. Someone who can handle the point guard role, but also guard wings.

That won't really solve Sexton's inability to guard any position, but it's a step in the right direction.

Sexton can really score and I'm not in the business of poo pooing on guys who can score pretty efficiently in a scoring league, but that's quite literally the only thing he does well.


Well if we are looking for a PG that can only score well, we don't have to trade for him cuz we have one already under development in Cole.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1974 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 20, 2021 6:25 am

I'm holding my suspicions how Sexston's game would translate into playoffs.

That being said, at age of 22, you can probably teach him how to be servicable point guard and make Kemba Walker out of him.
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Post#1975 » by GelbeWand09 » Thu May 20, 2021 7:13 am

''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:
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Post#1976 » by RookieStar » Thu May 20, 2021 7:18 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


wcj and bamba are licking their chops
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Post#1977 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 20, 2021 8:10 am

GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


ugly and dumb.
Allen is fine player, very athletic.

But literally, you can sign player like him for vets minimum. Just give $5M for McGee and there you have it.
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Post#1978 » by pepe1991 » Thu May 20, 2021 8:11 am

RookieStar wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


wcj and bamba are licking their chops


If anybody offers anything over $8M for any of them, they can have them. It's waste of cap space to throw money at them. Khem Birch played for $2,5M and was just fine as stop gap center.
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Post#1979 » by RookieStar » Thu May 20, 2021 10:31 am

pepe1991 wrote:
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GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


wcj and bamba are licking their chops


If anybody offers anything over $8M for any of them, they can have them. It's waste of cap space to throw money at them. Khem Birch played for $2,5M and was just fine as stop gap center.


Yeah I kinda agree somewhat. I think right now out of their rookie contracts they are just MLE type of players with what they have shown so far. They can of course improve a lot and earn the so-called big money om the 2md contract.
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Post#1980 » by drsd » Thu May 20, 2021 11:31 am

Knightro wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:If there is any truth to this and Orlando misses out on one of the top 3 guards in this class, do we try to trade these pick(s) for Sexton?

Even if we land a top guard like Green ... would we trade the Chicago pick + a future pick + a young player for Sexton and pay him big $$$?


Sexton is a very interesting case study.

The guy is legit three-level scorer who averaged 24 PPG on above average efficiency at 22 years old. He's a career .385 3PT shooter on 815 attempts. The shooting is real. That's valuable!

The problem is he's a 6'1" shooting guard. He can't defend 2's at all, but he has no tangible point guard skills. So you have to cross-match him with a bigger point guard who can defend wings to have any chance to have a moderately successful defense.


I would add to this nice set of stats, that Sexton will command a max contract. Is Orlando really ready to go all in on a player like Sexton, especially when Portland has essentially proved that a high volume, undersized SG cannot lead to playoff wins.

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