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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1981 » by tiderulz » Thu May 20, 2021 1:36 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:If there is any truth to this and Orlando misses out on one of the top 3 guards in this class, do we try to trade these pick(s) for Sexton?

Even if we land a top guard like Green ... would we trade the Chicago pick + a future pick + a young player for Sexton and pay him big $$$?


Sexton is a very interesting case study.

The guy is legit three-level scorer who averaged 24 PPG on above average efficiency at 22 years old. He's a career .385 3PT shooter on 815 attempts. The shooting is real. That's valuable!

The problem is he's a 6'1" shooting guard. He can't defend 2's at all, but he has no tangible point guard skills. So you have to cross-match him with a bigger point guard who can defend wings to have any chance to have a moderately successful defense.


I would add to this nice set of stats, that Sexton will command a max contract. Is Orlando really ready to go all in on a player like Sexton, especially when Portland has essentially proved that a high volume, undersized SG cannot lead to playoff wins.

Portland is a case study of bad roster composition. 2 smaller guards as their best players commanding the majority of their cap
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1982 » by Knightro » Thu May 20, 2021 2:09 pm

I would not want to be the team that pays Collin Sexton the max.

He can score at a high level with efficiency which is certainly valuable. But he's just a difficult guy to build a winning team around because he's can't defend and doesn't pass.

I feel like he'd be a good fit with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. A big ball handler and primary shot creator who can capably defend 2s and 3s while Sexton cross matches onto the point guard.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1983 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu May 20, 2021 2:23 pm

Knightro wrote:I would not want to be the team that pays Collin Sexton the max.

He can score at a high level with efficiency which is certainly valuable. But he's just a difficult guy to build a winning team around because he's can't defend and doesn't pass.

I feel like he'd be a good fit with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. A big ball handler and primary shot creator who can capably defend 2s and 3s while Sexton cross matches onto the point guard.


If that’s the case, how do you feel about Sexton on this team if we get lucky and get Cade?
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1984 » by drsd » Thu May 20, 2021 2:51 pm

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Knightro wrote:I would not want to be the team that pays Collin Sexton the max.

He can score at a high level with efficiency which is certainly valuable. But he's just a difficult guy to build a winning team around because he's can't defend and doesn't pass.

I feel like he'd be a good fit with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. A big ball handler and primary shot creator who can capably defend 2s and 3s while Sexton cross matches onto the point guard.


If that’s the case, how do you feel about Sexton on this team if we get lucky and get Cade?


Cunningham and Sexton paired sounds eerily like Portland 2.0.


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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1985 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu May 20, 2021 3:01 pm

drsd wrote:
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Knightro wrote:I would not want to be the team that pays Collin Sexton the max.

He can score at a high level with efficiency which is certainly valuable. But he's just a difficult guy to build a winning team around because he's can't defend and doesn't pass.

I feel like he'd be a good fit with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. A big ball handler and primary shot creator who can capably defend 2s and 3s while Sexton cross matches onto the point guard.


If that’s the case, how do you feel about Sexton on this team if we get lucky and get Cade?


Cunningham and Sexton paired sounds eerily like Portland 2.0.


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You’re talking about CADE Cunningham right? The 6”8 positionless player that can defend from 1-4? I really see almost 0 similarity between him and Lillard-McCollum.

You sure you’re not thinking about Suggs or Green?
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1986 » by drsd » Thu May 20, 2021 3:12 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:You’re talking about CADE Cunningham right? The 6”8 positionless player that can defend from 1-4? I really see almost 0 similarity between him and Lillard-McCollum.

You sure you’re not thinking about Suggs or Green?


You have your opinion and I have mine. Basically you are selling me on the concept that there is no scenario Orlando should consider Sexton.


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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1987 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu May 20, 2021 3:24 pm

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OrlChamps2030 wrote:You’re talking about CADE Cunningham right? The 6”8 positionless player that can defend from 1-4? I really see almost 0 similarity between him and Lillard-McCollum.

You sure you’re not thinking about Suggs or Green?


You have your opinion and I have mine. Basically you are selling me on the concept that there is no scenario Orlando should consider Sexton.


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Right on. Comparing Cunningham to the Portland guards is definitely an interesting take, but you’re right you have your opinion.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1988 » by Knightro » Thu May 20, 2021 3:27 pm

OrlChamps2030 wrote:If that’s the case, how do you feel about Sexton on this team if we get lucky and get Cade?


Still no IMO.

I really don't see Cunningham in that Doncic/Simmons caliber of primary facilitator at the next level.

Blame his teammates, blame the spacing of the college game, blame whatever you want to blame. The fact is Cade Cunningham averaged 3.5 APG and 4.0 TOPG in college. Nothing about the way he played in college screams NBA point guard. And that's ok because he's really good at other things!

Asking/expecting him to step in and be a point guard is just setting him up for failure.

Asking/expecting him to step in and be a two-way wing with *secondary* creation skills? I think that's his ultimate sweet spot.

Much more of a George/Butler/Hayward type, a big wing who can shoot, defend and pass than a Simmons/Doncic/Penny tall point guard type.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1989 » by drsd » Thu May 20, 2021 3:55 pm

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GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


ugly and dumb.
Allen is fine player, very athletic.


But literally, you can sign player like him for vets minimum. Just give $5M for McGee and there you have it.



Isaac at 80M could reveal itself as a massive bargain.



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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1990 » by MagicFan101 » Thu May 20, 2021 4:07 pm

All this talk really has me wanting to somehow see Colin Sexton end up in Philly with Simmons and Embiid.

You surely need to get Tobias Harris out of Philly.

But Sexton and Simmons are basically polar opposite players who are so uniquely talented and uniquely flawed in ways which might cancel each other out ... I really want to see it.

Embiid has to stay or it can’t work.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1991 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu May 20, 2021 4:13 pm

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OrlChamps2030 wrote:If that’s the case, how do you feel about Sexton on this team if we get lucky and get Cade?


Still no IMO.

I really don't see Cunningham in that Doncic/Simmons caliber of primary facilitator at the next level.

Blame his teammates, blame the spacing of the college game, blame whatever you want to blame. The fact is Cade Cunningham averaged 3.5 APG and 4.0 TOPG in college. Nothing about the way he played in college screams NBA point guard. And that's ok because he's really good at other things!

Asking/expecting him to step in and be a point guard is just setting him up for failure.

Asking/expecting him to step in and be a two-way wing with *secondary* creation skills? I think that's his ultimate sweet spot.

Much more of a George/Butler/Hayward type, a big wing who can shoot, defend and pass than a Simmons/Doncic/Penny tall point guard type.


Definitely an insightful post.

Personally - I think college basketball is a pretty poor product and Cunningham played on a poor team with bad talent around him. I expect him to show more facilitating skills like he did in HS.

IMO put a guy like George or Butler on this team - nothing secondary about them IMO. We would ride those guys until the wheels fall off.

I would expect the same for Cade. Deferring to Fultz and Cole Anthony to be lead ball handlers.. yeah that would be disappointing.

Cade is definitely the lead ball handler on this team
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1992 » by tiderulz » Thu May 20, 2021 4:43 pm

Knightro wrote:I would not want to be the team that pays Collin Sexton the max.

He can score at a high level with efficiency which is certainly valuable. But he's just a difficult guy to build a winning team around because he's can't defend and doesn't pass.

I feel like he'd be a good fit with someone like Ben Simmons or Luka Doncic. A big ball handler and primary shot creator who can capably defend 2s and 3s while Sexton cross matches onto the point guard.

but you generally dont build around just 1 player, unless that player is a super star. It would be Sexton + ??????
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1993 » by MoMM » Fri May 21, 2021 4:26 am

drsd wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:
GelbeWand09 wrote:''The Cleveland Cavaliers are expected to sign Jarrett Allen to a contract extension worth $100 million or more''

:o

Holy, 100 mio for a defensive & rim running Center who isnt really good at defense. :lol:


ugly and dumb.
Allen is fine player, very athletic.


But literally, you can sign player like him for vets minimum. Just give $5M for McGee and there you have it.



Isaac at 80M could reveal itself as a massive bargain.



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Only if he actually played some games, same for Fultz.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1994 » by pepe1991 » Fri May 21, 2021 6:21 am

Dissapointed by Pacers.
Prediction day after Vuc, Gordon, Evan departure - most fans who are celebrating birth of new rebuild will be crying how rebuild is painful before 2022-23 season ends.
Date of writeup: March 26th, 2021.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1995 » by RookieStar » Sun May 23, 2021 2:11 am

What do you guys think of Evans performance in the POs?

I cant wait for AG
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1996 » by SOUL » Sun May 23, 2021 3:58 am

RookieStar wrote:What do you guys think of Evans performance in the POs?

I cant wait for AG


Shrinks as usual, 3-11 in play-in and 3-10 tonight.

AG struggling shooting too, 3-11 at half
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1997 » by SOUL » Sun May 23, 2021 3:58 am

RookieStar wrote:What do you guys think of Evans performance in the POs?

I cant wait for AG


Shrinks as usual, 3-11 in play-in and 3-10 tonight.

AG struggling shooting too, 3-11 at half
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1998 » by RookieStar » Sun May 23, 2021 4:12 am

SOUL wrote:
RookieStar wrote:What do you guys think of Evans performance in the POs?

I cant wait for AG


Shrinks as usual, 3-11 in play-in and 3-10 tonight.

AG struggling shooting too, 3-11 at half


Yeah.. and he got torched on D as well.. they really missed Brown. Evan would be a good 3rd option. Just waiting in the wongs for Tatum and Brown to do their thig and shoot when he gets the ball
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#1999 » by pepe1991 » Sun May 23, 2021 6:31 am

Watching playoffs and how important stars are, just makes it that much more obvious how far away bottom of nba is from beint relevant.
Those Doncic, MIddelton, Butler, GIannis, Durant, Lillard, Harden perofrmance are best example why nba belongs to stars, and others just need to fill role
Prediction day after Vuc, Gordon, Evan departure - most fans who are celebrating birth of new rebuild will be crying how rebuild is painful before 2022-23 season ends.
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Re: Around the NBA, 2019/20 Edition 

Post#2000 » by GelbeWand09 » Sun May 23, 2021 6:44 am

pepe1991 wrote:Watching playoffs and how important stars are, just makes it that much more obvious how far away bottom of nba is from beint relevant.
Those Doncic, MIddelton, Butler, GIannis, Durant, Lillard, Harden perofrmance are best example why nba belongs to stars, and others just need to fill role



Yea for sure but Harden was more ''playoff Harden'' than regular season Harden :lol:

But no surprise when 3 teams (Lakers, Nets, Clippers) have 7 of the top 10-12 players in the leaque. Its a shame how uncompetitive players are over the last decade. :nonono:

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