Official "Nickeil Alexander-Walker isn't on the Magic" rant thread

[ezzzp]

Using stats to prove points is great.
Cherry-picking them and always being thrilled with every move by front office, despite some of them being questionable to say a least, isn't so great.
Every nba fan can take quick look through Magic roster and pin-ponit lack of ballhandlers and shooters and crowded PF spot without any modern, versitale SF.

This team is scary close to situation where without Ross off bench nobody would be able to put up 10 ppg with any efficiency. And offense flat out dies without Vuc.
You don't need to be guy with MIT degree to figure it.

Any moron can criticize everything, chronic complaining and defeatism isn't criticality...that's something that has nothing to do with basketball.

Even entry level NBA fans can look at the Magic situation prior to WeHam and see that they have changed the entire dynamic of the organization. In two years, they took the Magic franchise from the laughing stock of the NBA to the playoffs and a team that many NBA fans (not just Magic fans) and media are excited and intrigued by.

They have done this through a process of gradual non-impulsive maneuvers; moves that set up other moves, patience and intelligence with an eye on maximizing both the short term and the longterm without sacrificing either. A total contrast to the foolish knee-jerk reactions that some of the lower bbIQ fan base want them to make; a sector of the fan base that can't seem to grasp that it was that type of impulsive idiocy used by the prior regime that destroyed the franchise.

They have used gradual infrastructural change - from massive upgrades to the franchise's analytics, scouting, etc to the hiring of an excellent coach. A coach that when hired was trashed by those very same chronic complainers.

They have been excellent at maximizing the cap and tax limits maintaining stability AND flexibility.

They have used quiet maneuvers of addition by subtraction (Hezonja and Payton); two moves that at the time I criticized, but now I feel have had a subtle effect to the dynamic and mentality of the team, a more disciplined and hungrier desire to win.

They have used the draft, free agency and trades to build a disciplined defensive identity around the existing roster. A culture that is the foundation for the team moving forward. That is how the best franchises operate, from the Heat, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs etc...all laid a defensive foundation first to create their winning cultures.

Its LOL that any use of stats that counters your incessant negative logic is classified as "cherry picking," when in reality its just data that constantly negates your dreary and biased opinions.

[ezzzp]

Uh oh... I just gave you a circle jerk and-1, so welcome to the party friend! Get on in here for a cuddle!

Uhhh...no...yea that's not creepy at all

[pepe1991]

Using stats to prove points is great.
Cherry-picking them and always being thrilled with every move by front office, despite some of them being questionable to say a least, isn't so great.
Every nba fan can take quick look through Magic roster and pin-ponit lack of ballhandlers and shooters and crowded PF spot without any modern, versitale SF.

This team is scary close to situation where without Ross off bench nobody would be able to put up 10 ppg with any efficiency. And offense flat out dies without Vuc.
You don't need to be guy with MIT degree to figure it.

Any moron can criticize everything, chronic complaining and defeatism isn't criticality...that's something that has nothing to do with basketball.

Even entry level NBA fans can look at the Magic situation prior to WeHam and see that they have changed the entire dynamic of the organization. In two years, they took the Magic franchise from the laughing stock of the NBA to the playoffs and a team that many NBA fans (not just Magic fans) and media are excited and intrigued by.

They have done this through a process of gradual non-impulsive maneuvers; moves that set up other moves, patience and intelligence with an eye on maximizing both the short term and the longterm without sacrificing either. A total contrast to the foolish knee-jerk reactions that some of the lower bbIQ fan base want them to make; a sector of the fan base that can't seem to grasp that it was that type of impulsive idiocy used by the prior regime that destroyed the franchise.

They have used gradual infrastructural change - from massive upgrades to the franchise's analytics, scouting, etc to the hiring of an excellent coach. A coach that when hired was trashed by those very same chronic complainers.

They have used quiet maneuvers of addition by subtraction (Hezonja and Payton); two moves that at the time I criticized, but now I feel have had a subtle effect to the dynamic and mentality of the team, a more disciplined and hungrier desire to win.

They have used the draft, free agency and trades to build a disciplined defensive identity around the existing roster. A culture that is the foundation for the team moving forward. That is how the best franchises operate, from the Heat, Warriors, Celtics, Spurs etc...all laid a defensive foundation first to create their winning cultures.

Its LOL that any use of stats that counters your incessant negative logic is classified as "cherry picking," when in reality its just data that constantly negates your dreary and biased opinions.

Any moron can criticize everything, chronic complaining and defeatism isn't criticality...that's something that has nothing to do with basketball.

Yes, but if you can argument your complaints, you are no longer "moron", rather person with opinion about something, right?

Even entry level NBA fans can look at the Magic situation prior to WeHam and see that they have changed the entire dynamic of the organization. In two years, they took the Magic franchise from the laughing stock of the NBA to the playoffs and a team that many NBA fans (not just Magic fans) and media are excited and intrigued by.

There are lot of playoff wonders that didn't do anything after it.
For example Rich Cho took on Hornets when they were laughing stock of NBA. In his first year they won 7 games. In second 21 games. In third year they made playoffs.
Did they ever menaged to build upon that? Nop.

Suns. From mediocrity to 48 wins that would place them in playoffs in any of previous 15 years ( and not making it, because laughable difference in quality between east and west that year ) to being nowhere once again.

Minnesota is another team that was garbage before Tom Thibodeau, made playoffs after over a decade, did nothing, and now is back at rebuilding. And that's a team that actually has superstar.


This "playoff sucess" is like being happy to finish 4th in race. Until you figure only 7 of you raced.
IN whole East only one team didn't make playoffs in last 3 years are Knicks. East, especially in past few seasons was simply bad. Last year team with home court adventage in first round ( Pacers) with same record would be 7th on West.

They have done this through a process of gradual non-impulsive maneuvers; moves that set up other moves, patience and intelligence with an eye on maximizing both the short term and the longterm without sacrificing either.

Short term you re-signed players after they acived something no other Magic team achived in history and no other nba team achived in years. They played season where all 5 starters played at least 75 games. That's base of your sucess. Not their talent , not superstar they have ,no some amazing system you thy to paint, just dumb luck and something that won't repeat in next 20-30 years at least.

Long term you have Isaac, Fultz and Bamba. All 3 prospects with huge issues , all 3 players who are looking more like 5th options as starters, way better suited as backups.

And that same Hammond you drool all over is same guy who drafted:
DJ Wilson ( who ?)
Thon Maker
John Henson
Rashad Vaughn
Jabari Parker
Brandon Jennings

Just because he stumbled across Giannis that doesn't make him elite. Freaking Knicks and Suns, as incompetent they are, also drafted Booker and Porzingis.

foolish knee-jerk reactions that some of the lower bbIQ fan base want them to make; a sector of the fan base that can't seem to grasp that it was that type of impulsive idiocy used by the prior regime that destroyed the franchise.

This is just being rude for no reason to other posters and in same time being wrong. NBA stopped being "let's build this from ground" league and turned into hot -fix and patches league. Today's favorites to win all, based on Vegas odds are: Clippers and Lakers.

What they both have in common? That they never built their teams from a ground. They, much like Raptors last year, knee jerked their way into contending. Raptors starting 5 from two years ago had 1 player that started on championship team this year. Lowry. Vleet and Siakam combined for 39 min two years ago ( in playoffs).
Lakers 2019-20 starting 5 will have zero players who started on their team two yeras ago.
Today long term plan is something you consider within next 3 year max. Weltman and Hammond are already 3 years with a team and it seems like only "plan" they have is to build team of long defenders that really can't score.

And their "masterplan" is from year to year make playoffs. Maybe. If not, they have guys like Fultz and Okeke , ultimate " buy time to do nothing " players and moves that allow them to sit in their chairs while doing almost nothing.

[SOUL]

Tone it down with the personal insults. There's been like 5 or 6 in the last two pages alone and I've gotten some PMs. It is possible to just leave certain opinions on the table until more data can be reached. Now it's starting to devolve into small little slap fights and there will be warnings given out for the next time it happens. Two warnings will be a 3 day ban.

[ezzzp]

Yes, but if you can argument your complaints, you are no longer "moron", rather person with opinion about something, right?

Arguments with fantasy solutions that have no grasp of the process, pace and staging of how solutions need to evolve from a big picture perspective are just that.

There are lot of playoff wonders that didn't do anything after it.
For example Rich Cho took on Hornets when they were laughing stock of NBA. In his first year they won 7 games. In second 21 games. In third year they made playoffs. Did they ever menaged to build upon that? Nop. Suns. From mediocrity to 48 wins that would place them in playoffs in any of previous 15 years ( and not making it, because laughable difference in quality between east and west that year ) to being nowhere once again. Minnesota is another team that was garbage before Tom Thibodeau, made playoffs after over a decade, did nothing, and now is back at rebuilding. And that's a team that actually has superstar This "playoff sucess" is like being happy to finish 4th in race. Until you figure only 7 of you raced. IN whole East only one team didn't make playoffs in last 3 years are Knicks. East, especially in past few seasons was simply bad. Last year team with home court adventage in first round ( Pacers) with same record would be 7th on West.

There are also plenty of teams were it was a successful step towards a long lasting sustainable franchise. Its the typical cherry picking negativity to push a defeatist agenda. Premature capitulation and panic because its not instant gratification.

Short term you re-signed players after they acived something no other Magic team achived in history and no other nba team achived in years. They played season where all 5 starters played at least 75 games. That's base of your sucess. Not their talent , not superstar they have ,no some amazing system you thy to paint, just dumb luck and something that won't repeat in next 20-30 years at least. Long term you have Isaac, Fultz and Bamba. All 3 prospects with huge issues , all 3 players who are looking more like 5th options as starters, way better suited as backups.

Wrong, it was a small market that retained their two best players and kept two key assets. Peak prime quality players who will be vital to maintaining a stable and competitive context. That type of context is the absolute best method of developing young players. It also happens to be the best method of sustaining the value and performance of all your assets.

The base of last season's success was the stability of the peak prime players with a top 10 defense carried by their youth: Isaac and Gordon.

It was not dumb luck, it was a very repeatable formula based on sound fundamentals set up by good leadership.

And that same Hammond you drool all over is same guy who drafted:
DJ Wilson ( who ?) Thon Maker John Henson Rashad Vaughn Jabari Parker Brandon Jennings Just because he stumbled across Giannis that doesn't make him elite. Freaking Knicks and Suns, as incompetent they are, also drafted Booker and Porzingis.

More cherry picking to push a defeatist agenda. Hammond constructed the juggernaut that was Milwaukee last season.

He didn't just accidentally stumble onto Giannis. Even beginner fans know that he drafts for a particular type of player, exclusion of that fact just shows what the agenda is.

Hammond also stole Khris Middelton for pennies, and found Malcolm Brogdon in the second round. Arguably the two most important players behind Giannis on that unit last season.

Funny how certain facts are excluded about those draft examples..like what number those players were drafted at - some key information that reveals that some were very good value for where they were picked (Henson 14th / Jennings 10th)....or chose to exclude that Maker is 21 and looks like he'll be a rotation player in Detroit this season...or that two of those listed had catastrophic injury that derailed their careers (Jennings/Paker). FYI DJ Wilson is 2017 #17 pick who in his 2nd seasons (despite issues with lingering hamstring injury) played 48 games/18mpg on a 60 win team.

This is just being rude for no reason to other posters and in same time being wrong. NBA stopped being "let's build this from ground" league and turned into hot -fix and patches league. Today's favorites to win all, based on Vegas odds are: Clippers and Lakers.

Which is exactly why you retain assets and maintain a competitive context to sustain and improve asset values. Its comical that you are repeating what I've been saying long before the FO retained Vuc/Ross/Birch and acting like that has not been central to my pov. Go do some research through my comment history and you'll see that I've been showing that the path forward in NBA is through trade market.

And their "masterplan" is from year to year make playoffs. Maybe. If not, they have guys like Fultz and Okeke , ultimate " buy time to do nothing " players and moves that allow them to sit in their chairs while doing almost nothing.

That's just defeatistism. There is a bigger picture.

You first build a foundation and a context were the type of moves being discussed are feasible. A team can trade all their assets for Beal, but if its not right context he walks the first chance he gets, and that's if he doesn't demand trade before that. LAC and BRK didn't just utilize their market strength, they first took time to develop an identity...their market sealed the deal, but Knicks had same advantage and you see results. For a small market, franchise identity is even more important.

[basketballRob]

NAW is looking more and more like Jay Bilas prediction before the draft. He said, he reminded him of Lou Williams when he was that age.

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[AdamTheGreek]

No matter what happens this season with guys like NAW, we can't judge anything until Okeke gets to play. The Magic for salary cap purposed didn't want to pay for a first rounder this year. If the Okeke opportunity didn't come, who knows if we didn't go for a Euro stash instead.

[Xatticus]

No matter what happens this season with guys like NAW, we can't judge anything until Okeke gets to play. The Magic for salary cap purposed didn't want to pay for a first rounder this year. If the Okeke opportunity didn't come, who knows if we didn't go for a Euro stash instead.

That's an indictment in and of itself. The slotted salary of the 16th pick is negligible against a salary cap of $109M. It's roughly 2% of the salary cap figure. It's even less significant when compared to the $129M payroll. It's a tough sell to argue that a payroll of $129M for a .500 team can't afford a $2.6M rookie.

Additionally, given that we are heading into the season with a 13-man roster, you can't argue that there was no place on the roster for a rookie this year.

And we don't really have to wait for Okeke to play to make any such determinations about NAW. NAW will be on the floor this year and we can quite easily compare him to our own guard rotation.

[Knightro]

No matter what happens this season with guys like NAW, we can't judge anything until Okeke gets to play. The Magic for salary cap purposed didn't want to pay for a first rounder this year. If the Okeke opportunity didn't come, who knows if we didn't go for a Euro stash instead.

I was an Okeke fan in the pre-draft process. I had him *slightly* higher than NAW on my board. Now admittedly I didn't anticipate the Magic picking him because of positional fit, but I did/do like him as a prospect.

I think Chuma has glue guy skills offensively. A very smooth and repeatable 3-point stroke. Excellent ability and willingness to crash the offensive glass. Unselfish player who makes quick and decisive passing reads when he catches the ball. I like his length and athleticism around the rim too.

Defensively I think he's going to be REALLY good. High end combination of length, strength and BBIQ on that end. He can stick a body on bigger players down low, but still has the quickness to hound smaller players on the perimeter. He's not really a rim protector in the traditional sense, but his hands and anticipation are so good that he's going to be a monster in the passing lanes.

Okeke's two biggest issues for me personally (beyond how well he recovers from his ACL injury) are his lack of ball handling and his passive nature. He reminds me a lot of Isaac offensively. A guy who is more than willing to blend in offensively. The major difference is that Okeke appears to have more natural and repeatable stroke from the college 3PT line.

If he gets back to 100% full strength health and has the same athleticism and quickness he had at Auburn, I think he's got all the potential in the world to be a perfectly good Aaron Gordon replacement.

I really do like the Robert Covington comparison. Roco at his peak two years ago was a 6.1 WS, 2.5 BPM guy.

[MagicMatic]

No matter what happens this season with guys like NAW, we can't judge anything until Okeke gets to play. The Magic for salary cap purposed didn't want to pay for a first rounder this year. If the Okeke opportunity didn't come, who knows if we didn't go for a Euro stash instead.

That's an indictment in and of itself. The slotted salary of the 16th pick is negligible against a salary cap of $109M. It's roughly 2% of the salary cap figure. It's even less significant when compared to the $129M payroll. It's a tough sell to argue that a payroll of $129M for a .500 team can't afford a $2.6M rookie.

Additionally, given that we are heading into the season with a 13-man roster, you can't argue that there was no place on the roster for a rookie this year.

And we don't really have to wait for Okeke to play to make any such determinations about NAW. NAW will be on the floor this year and we can quite easily compare him to our own guard rotation.

Yeah right, like nobody watching Orlando in the playoffs said to themselves, “This team is set moving forward, all they need is a redemption project and a veteran defensive forward off the bench”.

Why would Orlando go for a Euro stash if there are obvious needs for improvement still to be made to the roster? Seems like a bad argument to make when NAW would be a big part of the rotation this season and Okeke won’t until he’s healthy and the depth chart doesn’t have 3 people ahead of him.

[Def Swami]

NAW was good in college. He was good in summer league. He was good in preseason. We'll revisit this in a month when he'll be good in the regular season.

[Driguez]

This kind of threads always get to me. What ifs don't matter, we haven't found a way to go back in time and even if we did Okeke could turn out to be just fine for us, or so I hope because he's on the team you know unlike Walker. Gentleman slaps or worse at times over a guy who's not even on the team. Not. On. The. Team. Doesn't matter.

[tiderulz]

This kind of threads always get to me. What ifs don't matter, we haven't found a way to go back in time and even if we did Okeke could turn out to be just fine for us, or so I hope because he's on the team you know unlike Walker. Gentleman slaps or worse at times over a guy who's not even on the team. Not. On. The. Team. Doesn't matter.

make you feel better to go on a thread title about Walker..to complain about a thread about Walker?

[Driguez]

This kind of threads always get to me. What ifs don't matter, we haven't found a way to go back in time and even if we did Okeke could turn out to be just fine for us, or so I hope because he's on the team you know unlike Walker. Gentleman slaps or worse at times over a guy who's not even on the team. Not. On. The. Team. Doesn't matter.

make you feel better to go on a thread title about Walker..to complain about a thread about Walker?

Not about THIS thread, about every single “what if” thread every single season over the past 10+ years. Player had a good summer camp, preseason, game, player X scored 13 points, let’s all claim we all wanted him and how our FO is dumber than all of us. Me “complaining” is a speckle in comparison to the toxic cosmic what if alternate universe you all chose to reside in. I get it, we get frustrated but mannnnn it’s like clockwork.

PS, “you all” as in a generalization not targeted at anyone in particular.

[MagicMatic]

This kind of threads always get to me. What ifs don't matter, we haven't found a way to go back in time and even if we did Okeke could turn out to be just fine for us, or so I hope because he's on the team you know unlike Walker. Gentleman slaps or worse at times over a guy who's not even on the team. Not. On. The. Team. Doesn't matter.

make you feel better to go on a thread title about Walker..to complain about a thread about Walker?

Not about THIS thread, about every single “what if” thread every single season over the past 10+ years. Player had a good summer camp, preseason, game, player X scored 13 points, let’s all claim we all wanted him and how our FO is dumber than all of us. Me “complaining” is a speckle in comparison to the toxic cosmic what if alternate universe you all chose to reside in. I get it, we get frustrated but mannnnn it’s like clockwork.

PS, “you all” as in a generalization not targeted at anyone in particular.

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

Especially if we are talking about selecting a player that won’t play this season and is buried in the depth chart during a playoff push year.

If you disagree with threads like this in general... maybe don’t click on them? The thread title seems pretty obvious you won’t like reading or contributing to it...

[OrlChamps2030]

make you feel better to go on a thread title about Walker..to complain about a thread about Walker?

Not about THIS thread, about every single “what if” thread every single season over the past 10+ years. Player had a good summer camp, preseason, game, player X scored 13 points, let’s all claim we all wanted him and how our FO is dumber than all of us. Me “complaining” is a speckle in comparison to the toxic cosmic what if alternate universe you all chose to reside in. I get it, we get frustrated but mannnnn it’s like clockwork.

PS, “you all” as in a generalization not targeted at anyone in particular.

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

Especially if we are talking about selecting a player that won’t play this season and is buried in the depth chart during a playoff push year.

If you disagree with threads like this in general... maybe don’t click on them? The thread title seems pretty obvious you won’t like reading or contributing to it...

Not to mention literally every fan base in every sport plays the “what if” game. Hardly unique to this fanbase. And it’s the offseason. You can only talk about Isaac’s diet, Bamba’s sick gainz, and Fultz jumpshot form so much.

[Driguez]

Not about THIS thread, about every single “what if” thread every single season over the past 10+ years. Player had a good summer camp, preseason, game, player X scored 13 points, let’s all claim we all wanted him and how our FO is dumber than all of us. Me “complaining” is a speckle in comparison to the toxic cosmic what if alternate universe you all chose to reside in. I get it, we get frustrated but mannnnn it’s like clockwork.

PS, “you all” as in a generalization not targeted at anyone in particular.

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

Especially if we are talking about selecting a player that won’t play this season and is buried in the depth chart during a playoff push year.

If you disagree with threads like this in general... maybe don’t click on them? The thread title seems pretty obvious you won’t like reading or contributing to it...

Not to mention literally every fan base in every sport plays the “what if” game. Hardly unique to this fanbase. And it’s the offseason. You can only talk about Isaac’s diet, Bamba’s sick gainz, and Fultz jumpshot form so much.

You guys are not getting it. It's not the discussion about a player, is the bickering, nagging and the boasting. Eh, maybe I'm just turning into the "old man yells at cloud" meme

[MagicFan101]

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

These are the kind of posts which make it hard to give any consideration to your comments. When the black and white statements are so often just plain false, it makes it difficult for anyone to give your opinions a chance.

I’ll limit this reply to just the very first 3 results from a Google search for 2019 Final NBA Mock Draft:


https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-smiths-final-2019-nba-mock-draft

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #13 pick



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-final-projections-have-hawks-taking-deandre-hunter-after-trading-up-at-no-4/amp/

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #18 pick



https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2841428-2019-nba-mock-draft-current-projections-for-every-1st-round-prospect.amp.html

Orlando: Keldon Johnson
NAW: #26


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If you keep clicking on more and more mocks you will surely see NAW projected to Orlando. No doubt. But 0-3 isn’t the start you want to defend your “Universally slotted to Orlando” statement ...

With projected in this small sample of NAW going everything from #13-26, it clearly wasn’t as obvious to many scouts where he fits in the NBA.

You can say NAW is a better fit for current Magic roster than Chuma, especially given the injury, and no one can argue. Why make **** up about his mock projections?

[MagicMatic]

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

These are the kind of posts which make it hard to give any consideration to your comments. When the black and white statements are so often just plain false, it makes it difficult for anyone to give your opinions a chance.

I’ll limit this reply to just the very first 3 results from a Google search for 2019 Final NBA Mock Draft:


https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-smiths-final-2019-nba-mock-draft

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #13 pick



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-final-projections-have-hawks-taking-deandre-hunter-after-trading-up-at-no-4/amp/

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #18 pick



https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2841428-2019-nba-mock-draft-current-projections-for-every-1st-round-prospect.amp.html

Orlando: Keldon Johnson
NAW: #26


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If you keep clicking on more and more mocks you will surely see NAW projected to Orlando. No doubt. But 0-3 isn’t the start you want to defend your “Universally slotted to Orlando” statement ...

With projected in this small sample of NAW going everything from #13-26, it clearly wasn’t as obvious to many scouts where he fits in the NBA.

You can say NAW is a better fit for current Magic roster than Chuma, especially given the injury, and no one can argue. Why make **** up about his mock projections?

“Almost universally “ isn’t the same as saying “absolutely every”. If I should reword the post to say something like- A lot of people thought he was a good pick for the Magic, would that sound better to you? It doesn’t disprove the fact that a number of people felt it necessary for its own thread and the conversation is now pages long.

Then again, you were on of the ones crying at the top of this thread also about it’s mere existence.

“ Because this isn’t where it ends. Creating this thread is a nice idea but it won’t stop the never the talk from ruining other threads.

Move on.”

So maybe I’ll just take your parsing of my wording with the largest grain of salt imaginable. I’ll let you move on from contributing to a thread and conversation you tell others to “move on from”. Thanks for your insight as usual.

[MagicFan101]

I’d say a thread about a prospect that was almost universally slotted for Orlando by most mocks, went one pick after, and was generally thought of as a solid pick by most on this forum is deserving.

These are the kind of posts which make it hard to give any consideration to your comments. When the black and white statements are so often just plain false, it makes it difficult for anyone to give your opinions a chance.

I’ll limit this reply to just the very first 3 results from a Google search for 2019 Final NBA Mock Draft:


https://www.nba.com/bulls/news/sam-smiths-final-2019-nba-mock-draft

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #13 pick



https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2019-nba-mock-draft-final-projections-have-hawks-taking-deandre-hunter-after-trading-up-at-no-4/amp/

Orlando: Tyler Herro
NAW: #18 pick



https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2841428-2019-nba-mock-draft-current-projections-for-every-1st-round-prospect.amp.html

Orlando: Keldon Johnson
NAW: #26


================

If you keep clicking on more and more mocks you will surely see NAW projected to Orlando. No doubt. But 0-3 isn’t the start you want to defend your “Universally slotted to Orlando” statement ...

With projected in this small sample of NAW going everything from #13-26, it clearly wasn’t as obvious to many scouts where he fits in the NBA.

You can say NAW is a better fit for current Magic roster than Chuma, especially given the injury, and no one can argue. Why make **** up about his mock projections?

“Almost universally “ isn’t the same as saying “absolutely every”. If I should reword the post to say something like- A lot of people thought he was a good pick for the Magic, would that sound better to you? It doesn’t disprove the fact that a number of people felt it necessary for its own thread and the conversation is now pages long.

Then again, you were on of the ones crying at the top of this thread also about it’s mere existence.

“ Because this isn’t where it ends. Creating this thread is a nice idea but it won’t stop the never the talk from ruining other threads.

Move on.”

So maybe I’ll just take your parsing of my wording with the largest grain of salt imaginable and let you move on from contributing to a thread and conversation you tell other to “move on from”. Thanks.

You don’t need to take it personally. You should learn from lessons when they come. Not everything is meant as an insult ...