Other than 3pt shooting, what does DJ do better than Fultz today?

[thelead]

I've seen enough. Unleash Fultz.

[MagicStarwipe]

He's much better at missing open teammates.

[SOUL]

Yeah, I'm advocating a change since we get off to slow starts.

I think Cliff knows as well though. I think it's more of a case of just not thrusting Fultz in to "carry" us in that sense, but yeah, our offense would at least be more interesting and dynamic when he starts.

[PrimeThyme]

While I 100% agree, It just feels like playing with that starting unit caps his upside. He is not a catch and shoot player. How many times tonight did we see him just stand at the 3pt line while Evan/Vuc played their two-man game or we went down to Vuc in the post when he was playing with the starters.

He just needs the ball in his hands. If we ran that two-man game with him and Vuc like we did with DJ/Vuc down the stretch tonight, it could work but he needs the ball in his hands initiating the offense or its pointless to start him.

[OrlandO]

It's important to remember he is just coming back after being unable to play proper basketball for years due to a weird injury that may or may not surface again if pushed too much. Easing him in, letting him experience some consistent success and giving him time with both units is the right move for now for his health/confidence.

[thelead]

It's important to remember he is just coming back after being unable to play proper basketball for years due to a weird injury that may or may not surface again. Easing him in, letting him have some consistent success and giving him time with both units is the right move for now for his health and confidence.

If there are health concerns I can accept not rushing it but I'm not sure I buy that as he's getting nearly 25mpg already. We'll see but he's already looking to launch 3's off the dribble which is very encouraging.

[Knightro]

While I 100% agree, It just feels like playing with that starting unit caps his upside. He is not a catch and shoot player. How many times tonight did we see him just stand at the 3pt line while Evan/Vuc played their two-man game or we went down to Vuc in the post when he was playing with the starters.

He just needs the ball in his hands. If we ran that two-man game with him and Vuc like we did with DJ/Vuc down the stretch tonight, it could work but he needs the ball in his hands initiating the offense or its pointless to start him.

This is my fear as well.

If the plan is a heavy diet of Fultz/Vucevic pick and roll with Fultz hitting Fournier off curls and pindowns, great.

If the plan is "pass to Fournier and HE runs pick and roll with Vucevic, that's not gonna work.

[thelead]

While I 100% agree, It just feels like playing with that starting unit caps his upside. He is not a catch and shoot player. How many times tonight did we see him just stand at the 3pt line while Evan/Vuc played their two-man game or we went down to Vuc in the post when he was playing with the starters.

He just needs the ball in his hands. If we ran that two-man game with him and Vuc like we did with DJ/Vuc down the stretch tonight, it could work but he needs the ball in his hands initiating the offense or its pointless to start him.

This is my fear as well.

If the plan is a heavy diet of Fultz/Vucevic pick and roll with Fultz hitting Fournier off curls and pindowns, great.

If the plan is"pass to Fournier and HE runs pick and roll with Vucevic, that's not gonna work.

This is how I see it: we know how good we can be with DJ and Evan running the offense (not great).

We have a #1 pick PG with all of the moves that looks healthy and has played very well. Why not give it a shot?

There are scrub rookies that are starting across the NBA but this team continues babying everyone. That strategy hasn't worked out well for us.

[ezzzp]

I think it’s better to not thrust him into a situation were he goes through a bad stretch and has to get demoted or worse loses his confidence.

Let him gradually build on what he has done. As long as he’s getting around 24 mpg I’m ok with that for a while - especially if he’s the one closing games.

If DJ is really struggling then that could accelerate the process. But right now it’s too soon. It’s his 4th game back after major injury drama, no need to be impatient about rushing him into the spotlight prematurely. He’s going to be with us for years.

[PrimeThyme]

While I 100% agree, It just feels like playing with that starting unit caps his upside. He is not a catch and shoot player. How many times tonight did we see him just stand at the 3pt line while Evan/Vuc played their two-man game or we went down to Vuc in the post when he was playing with the starters.

He just needs the ball in his hands. If we ran that two-man game with him and Vuc like we did with DJ/Vuc down the stretch tonight, it could work but he needs the ball in his hands initiating the offense or its pointless to start him.

This is my fear as well.

If the plan is a heavy diet of Fultz/Vucevic pick and roll with Fultz hitting Fournier off curls and pindowns, great.

If the plan is"pass to Fournier and HE runs pick and roll with Vucevic, that's not gonna work.

This is how I see it: we know how good we can be with DJ and Evan running the offense (not great).

We have a #1 pick PG with all of the moves that looks healthy and has played very well. Why not give it a shot?

There are scrub rookies that are starting across the NBA but this team continues babying everyone. That strategy hasn't worked out well for us.

I see no reason not to, but its not really a matter of should they give it a shot. I think it just comes down to would Clifford lean more to the Vuc/Fultz PnR game and allow him to have the ball in his hands and initiate the offense if he was inserted as the starter or would he be relegated to deferring to Fournier and standing at the 3pt line.

My hunch tells me that is what would happen. We saw it tonight.

[thelead]

This is my fear as well.

If the plan is a heavy diet of Fultz/Vucevic pick and roll with Fultz hitting Fournier off curls and pindowns, great.

If the plan is"pass to Fournier and HE runs pick and roll with Vucevic, that's not gonna work.

This is how I see it: we know how good we can be with DJ and Evan running the offense (not great).

We have a #1 pick PG with all of the moves that looks healthy and has played very well. Why not give it a shot?

There are scrub rookies that are starting across the NBA but this team continues babying everyone. That strategy hasn't worked out well for us.

I see no reason not to, but its not really a matter of should they give it a shot. I think it just comes down to would Clifford lean more to the Vuc/Fultz PnR game and allow him to have the ball in his hands and initiate the offense if he was inserted as the starter or would he be relegated to deferring to Fournier and standing at the 3pt line.

My hunch tells me that is what would happen. We saw it tonight.

That's fine if he wants to get fired in a few years. Ask Skiles and Vogel how buddy ball worked out for them. We finally saw it die down a bit last year and all of a sudden it's back. WTF

[nicnac215]

Clifford isnt going to put Fultz into starting line up until he is ready. He doesnt want to put Fultz there then struggle and move DJ back, so he is doing the right thing. However im not a fan of his rotations so far this year

[Bensational]

I think Cliff wants to stabilise the rest of the team before he disrupts with a PG change. Fultz deserves the role, but giving it to him requires a larger overhaul of the offense.

[pepe1991]

PG position is hardest to replace.
Once you change PG it almost always means you are desparate.
Also it's much easier for Fultz to play against backups than starters.

If there was time to change lineup , it was on start of the season and playing against this " noob" teams like Hawks, Knicks and Cavs. You are not changing lineup and facing on back to back Bucks and Nuggets.

[doct3r dr3]

Other than [this team's biggest, most glaring weakness], what does DJ do better than Fultz today?

[zaymon]

I think the best time to swap starting pg will be at the all star break. Until then i want Fultz to create more off the dribble and play in the crunch time. Fultz of all people cant really miss any steps

[drsd]

He's much better at missing open teammates.

Augustin had 7 assists on 0 TOs. He brings stability. As the 5th man for scoring, his only offenive job is to wait for kick-outs to shoot the 3-ball.

Fultz off of the bench is intended to be disruptive (in the same way Ross was last year).

When/if Ross finds his shot, Fults+Ross as a second unit will dominate. AUgustin+Ross off of the bench would not.

[pepe1991]

Right now head to head:

DJ Augustin - Fultz

min played : 102- 95
assists: 17 - 15
turnovers : 2 - 8
FGA : 35- 40
FGM: 14 - 19
3 PM 3 - 1
FTA : 9 - 4
rebounds : 9 -6
BPM : - 1,6 - 1,4
Net rating 3,6 - 4,0
TS 48,8 - 52,7


Bonus : DJ Augustin is 3rd best player in whole league in assist to turnover ratio. Clifford's offense is all about not turning the ball over so it's a given that he huge contributor to that.

[drsd]

Bonus : DJ Augustin is 3rd best player in whole league in assist to turnover ratio. Clifford's offense is all about not turning the ball over so it's a given that he huge contributor to that.

Orlando only had 7 TOs in the last game. I love Augustin's game as a starter so far this season!


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[drsd]

Clifford isnt going to put Fultz into starting line up until he is ready. He doesnt want to put Fultz there then struggle and move DJ back, so he is doing the right thing. However im not a fan of his rotations so far this year

Building confidence is very important !


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