Why is there a resistance to trading Vuc?

[thelead]

Are you afraid that we’ll suck so much that we’ll draft a player like Luka or Trae Young? Because that’s the point and has been the point for years. Tear this thing down and build around Fultz, JI and a star. Vuc will NEVER lead us to a championship but he certainly has been good enough to keep us a pick or two away from superstars.

[Bensational]

Two reasons:

1) We're 4 games out of a .500 record right now. If the record were 32-36, nobody would be calling to tank.

2) WeHam will never commit to a tank, so trying to convince yourself they will is wasted energy.

Beyond that, there's no reason not to entertain the idea for fun in hypothetical trades.

[thelead]

Two reasons:

1) We're 4 games out of a .500 record right now. If the record were 32-36, nobody would be calling to tank.

2) WeHam will never commit to a tank, so trying to convince yourself they will is wasted energy.

Beyond that, there's no reason not to entertain the idea for fun in hypothetical trades.

So you believe we will win a championship with Vuc being a #1 or 2 option? Because he sure as hell isn't a defensive stopper. He now makes too much money for me to ignore. Add to the fact that Cliff said he didn’t come to camp in shape and is still trying to get there after being rewarded with a large deal is infuriating.

[fateis007]

Or why not just give Fultz the offense and let everyone play off him. I would sooner trade fournier and dj (AG is getting there too) to get rid of them dribbling the air out of the ball and allowing Fultz to be the primary handler. He is going to be what makes us a top team, not Vooch. But Fultz can def use a guy like him for pick and pops and spacing.

[OrlandoSaban]

My only problem with Vuc is that he refuses to raise his hands while opponents shoot the ball. He's just very lazy looking on Defense

[Bensational]

Two reasons:

1) We're 4 games out of a .500 record right now. If the record were 32-36, nobody would be calling to tank.

2) WeHam will never commit to a tank, so trying to convince yourself they will is wasted energy.

Beyond that, there's no reason not to entertain the idea for fun in hypothetical trades.

So you believe we will win a championship with Vuc being a #1 or 2 option? Because he sure as hell isn't a defensive stopper. He now makes too much money for me to ignore. Add to the fact that Cliff said he didn’t come to camp in shape and is still trying to get there after being rewarded with a large deal is infuriating.

I was advocating for a change in personnel over the summer. But he's here now and from WeHam's track record it seems very unlikely he gets moved any time soon, so I'm just trying to save you the frustration of wanting something that won't likely happen.

But also, remember that the team won 11 of their last 13 last season. Cliff's teams are known for late season runs. We could still be in the playoff picture even if we're 10 games down.

[VFX]

Are you afraid that we’ll suck so much that we’ll draft a player like Luka or Trae Young? Because that’s the point and has been the point for years. Tear this thing down and build around Fultz, JI and a star. Vuc will NEVER lead us to a championship but he certainly has been good enough to keep us a pick or two away from superstars.

1. They won’t ever want to tank despite it being the best current avenue to landing a star.

2. They have somehow made every decision imaginable to make this team entirely reliant on him by not acquiring talent on offense.

They should have cut bait with him 2 years ago. Instead, they give him 4/$100m based off contract year performance. All while he hasn’t shown anything in the playoffs, doesn’t sell tickets, and doesn’t draw in more talent.

[OrlChamps2030]

Because it’s not realistic.

We have an ownership group that refuses to tank, a front office that refuses to tank, and this organization just had their best season since the D12 era.

It’s crazy that people still can’t understand this. It’s like Groundhog Day making this argument for almost a decade now.

A full blown tank just isn’t going to happen in Orlando. Especially when the playoffs are still “within reach”.

Ownership wants a competitive team.

Note: I don’t agree with this directive, this is just the way it is

[Bergmaniac]

It's not like this is decided by any of us, so what's the point of this thread? The ownership doesn't want the team to tank.

[thelead]

Two reasons:

1) We're 4 games out of a .500 record right now. If the record were 32-36, nobody would be calling to tank.

2) WeHam will never commit to a tank, so trying to convince yourself they will is wasted energy.

Beyond that, there's no reason not to entertain the idea for fun in hypothetical trades.

So you believe we will win a championship with Vuc being a #1 or 2 option? Because he sure as hell isn't a defensive stopper. He now makes too much money for me to ignore. Add to the fact that Cliff said he didn’t come to camp in shape and is still trying to get there after being rewarded with a large deal is infuriating.

I was advocating for a change in personnel over the summer. But he's here now and from WeHam's track record it seems very unlikely he gets moved any time soon, so I'm just trying to save you the frustration of wanting something that won't likely happen.

But also, remember that the team won 11 of their last 13 last season. Cliff's teams are known for late season runs. We could still be in the playoff picture even if we're 10 games down.

I still think we have an excellent shot at making the playoffs barring injuries but that’s not the point. This guy will never be part of a championship team in Orlando due to roster construction and his contact.

[thelead]

It's not like this is decided by any of us, so what's the point of this thread? The ownership doesn't want the team to tank.

For visibility. Did you know Hammond was know to frequent the Bucks realgm board?

But really, because I’m tired of this crap. He got a 9 figure contract and couldn’t come to camp in shape...

[Bergmaniac]

The NBA is a business first, the main goal is to make money. Tanking is bad for business.

[AshBlackstone]

You don’t have to tank to rebuild. That’s actually the lesson if you watch the NBA. Did Milwaukee tank? Did Toronto tank?

Philly tanked hard, and it was a waste of time. That team is never getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. They wasted years being bad on purpose for nothing.

The idea of tanking to build a deep roster is a myth.


With that said, I would deal Vucevic, for someone who can legitimately shoot, and start Bamba. What did we draft Bamba for if we aren’t going to give him legit playing time?

[fendilim]

It's not like this is decided by any of us, so what's the point of this thread? The ownership doesn't want the team to tank.

For visibility. Did you know Hammond was know to frequent the Bucks realgm board?

But really, because I’m tired of this crap. He got a 9 figure contract and couldn’t come to camp in shape...

How much out of shape was he into camp? Perhaps he simply didnt have the energy because he played World Basketball competition and it took a toll on his body. Or perhaps he was injured thats why he wasnt in ideal camp condition.

I would suspect it has to do with the world basketball tbh. Its the first time i heard about vuc being out of shape and this was one of the legitimate concerns of why the usa team had difficulty inviting star power to play for them.

[VFX]

You don’t have to tank to rebuild. That’s actually the lesson if you watch the NBA. Did Milwaukee tank? Did Toronto tank?

Philly tanked hard, and it was a waste of time. That team is never getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. They wasted years being bad on purpose for nothing.

The idea of tanking to build a deep roster is a myth.


With that said, I would deal Vucevic, for someone who can legitimately shoot, and start Bamba. What did we draft Bamba for if we aren’t going to give him legit playing time?

The two examples you listed are the exception and not the rule.

Milwaukee drafted a generational all time nba talent late in the draft after being exceptionally mediocre for decades.

Toronto was a largely irrelevant franchise and choked in the playoffs for years. They traded DeRozen (#9 pick) for Kawhi Leonard (arguably the best player in the nba) because of unmitigated exceptional circumstances.

So no, those teams didn’t need to tank to land their talent. They lucked into it. Milwaukee may still never win anything with what might be the best player in basketball.

Philly tanked and still won’t win anything. It doesn’t mean they aren’t also light years ahead of Orlando despite the same timeframe and different path. Here’s a question for you... who has the more valuable roster on the market right now? Orlando or Philadelphia?

[JF5]

Few reasons why they won't trade him.

1. He has been pretty loyal and actually wants to be here.

2. Hes a symbol of professionalism for the team plus has been a relatively steady Rock for the Magic over the years and represents stability.

3. He's able to play any role when needed. Plus the young guys need a steady offensive option to help them in the baby steps of development. Especially a guy like Fultz.

4. There has to be a quality big to usurp him. just like what happened with Fultz and Augustin

5. This team refuses to tank. Plus, I think that they think that they're one or two moves away this coming off season to become some what of a really competitive team. You move Vucevic it becomes a situation where they might be 2-3 years away once again which they don't want to be stuck in.

To me the defense will be fine as long as they have Issac as the anchor and with Fultz and other guys improving. They desperately need versatile star scoring at both the 2 and 3. Guys like Russell/Ingram/Beal/McCollum/Beal will be available imo.

But I do agree as well that if they are no longer in the playoff hunt they need to put the ball more into Fultz's and Isaac's hands. Need more of that now.

[drsd]

Why is there a resistance to trading Vuc?

Vučević is Orlando's best player. And he is on a reasonable contract. Thus, trading him would be odd.


Right now: Gordon seems the most tradeable Magician to me.


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[j-ragg]

Why would we trade him? This is only his 8th season in Orlando we need to see what we have in him.

[MasterGMer]

You don’t have to tank to rebuild. That’s actually the lesson if you watch the NBA. Did Milwaukee tank? Did Toronto tank?

Philly tanked hard, and it was a waste of time. That team is never getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. They wasted years being bad on purpose for nothing.

The idea of tanking to build a deep roster is a myth.


With that said, I would deal Vucevic, for someone who can legitimately shoot, and start Bamba. What did we draft Bamba for if we aren’t going to give him legit playing time?

Cause Mamba isn't ready to take over

[The Real Dalic]

You don’t have to tank to rebuild. That’s actually the lesson if you watch the NBA. Did Milwaukee tank? Did Toronto tank?

Philly tanked hard, and it was a waste of time. That team is never getting out of the 2nd round of the playoffs. They wasted years being bad on purpose for nothing.

The idea of tanking to build a deep roster is a myth.


With that said, I would deal Vucevic, for someone who can legitimately shoot, and start Bamba. What did we draft Bamba for if we aren’t going to give him legit playing time?

The two examples you listed are the exception and not the rule.

Milwaukee drafted a generational all time nba talent late in the draft after being exceptionally mediocre for decades.

Toronto was a largely irrelevant franchise and choked in the playoffs for years. They traded DeRozen (#9 pick) for Kawhi Leonard (arguably the best player in the nba) because of unmitigated exceptional circumstances.

So no, those teams didn’t need to tank to land their talent. They lucked into it. Milwaukee may still never win anything with what might be the best player in basketball.

Philly tanked and still won’t win anything. It doesn’t mean they aren’t also light years ahead of Orlando despite the same timeframe and different path. Here’s a question for you... who has the more valuable roster on the market right now? Orlando or Philadelphia?

Philly is the only contending team that tanked for their stars. The Warriors didn't draft in the top 5, the Lakers haven't tanked, the Bucks never tanked, the Nuggets star came from the 2nd round, the Jazz main stars were both 10 and under in the draft, the Clippers went from a playoff team last year to contenders thanks to free agency. The list goes on and on. The Sixers are actually the exception, not the other way around.