Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

[jezzerinho]

If Weltham move up, I can't see beyond them snagging Haliburton.

[Stuff]

Bane, Nesmith, or S.Bey and call it a day

[The Effect]

RJ Hampton at #15 is the most John Hammond draft pick.

RJ Hampton's improving jumper: Buying

One of the biggest challenges for evaluators in 2020 is assessing prospects' improvement since their final game, considering the extended length of this year's layoff. RJ Hampton hasn't played since January 12, over eight months ago. That's an enormous amount of time for a teenager to improve his jump shot, particularly during a pandemic, when social activities and other distractions are limited.

SNY's Ian Begley spoke with former NBA shooting specialist Mike Miller, who spent last year as an assistant under Penny Hardaway at Memphis and is now training a potential lottery pick in Hampton. Miller made some noteworthy comments regarding Hampton's shooting, a giant swing skill for the 6'5" combo guard.

"With him and the way he plays, if he shoots—which I'm pretty confident in—in the next two-three years he'll be a high-30s, low-40s percent three-point shooter, he'll be one of the best guards in the league," Miller told Begley.

"The consistencies I've seen with him, the stuff that he's worked on, it's the same stuff that I've worked on with tons of shooters in the league and I've seen the transformation, so I'm not guessing."

While all trainers tout their students, Miller's level of confidence is quite persuasive, particularly given his credibility and reputation for connecting with young players.

In 19 NBL games (including exhibitions), Hampton shot 15-of-53 from three and a promising 76.2 percent from the free-throw line. To suggest that in a few years he could go from capable to proficient isn't far-fetched. From what we saw overseas, Hampton could make outside shots, just not consistently.

Given his explosiveness attacking the basket and playmaking ability off the dribble, he doesn't need to shoot at Mike Miller levels. Even reaching the 35.0 percent three-point mark on average volume could go a long way for Hampton.

While there are scouts who've cooled on him, it also wouldn't be surprising if Hampton were able to sway one lottery team that's willing to bet on his jump-shot development.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2909528-2020-nba-draft-buying-or-selling-latest-rumors

Hes been training for the draft with Penny, and if penny likes him (im only assuming he does, i dont know), thats all i would need to hear
Sign him up

[The Effect]

Could NESMITH be the next klay? Even a poor klay would do

I’m never going to set those expectations on a kid expected to go late / outside the lottery in a weak draft class.

However ... My interest in Nesmith as a someone people will regret passing on is growing.

If he is sitting there at #15 I will be very pleased if we take him.

All of the stats love Nesmith. I hope we draft him.

For some reason, when ever i think of him, i think back to Cam Johnson last year. a bigger pure shooter with great numbers all around, and yet was ignored by the fans\online "draftniks" but i doubt is ignored by the GMs

id be shocked if hes not a lotto pick

[PrimeThyme]

seems like RJ is making some improvements to the shot

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it's still in an empty gym but you can't say he isn't trying to put in the work

I just want to draft somebody that can already naturally shoot for once. I know that's a lot to ask for from this FO (and from this organization considering the players we've drafted/acquired the 7 years) but it would be nice to finally draft someone who has natural shooting/scoring ability and not someone who is rebuilding his shot or trying to improve his awful efficiency.

[KillMonger]

seems like RJ is making some improvements to the shot

Watch on YouTube

it's still in an empty gym but you can't say he isn't trying to put in the work

I just want to draft somebody that can already naturally shoot for once. I know that's a lot to ask for from this FO (and from this organization considering the players we've drafted/acquired the 7 years) but it would be nice to finally draft someone who has natural shooting/scoring ability and not someone who is rebuilding his shot or trying to improve his awful efficiency.

half of me agrees with you...the other half is telling me just get the guy with the highest ceiling....At 15 Hampton is a pick i wouldn't be unhappy with....For me i'm kinda locked in with Kira Lewis as the guy i'm hoping for at 15....My sleeper "Chuma Okeke-like" pick(as in a reach out of nowhere) is Jaden Mcdaniels....Jaden is MPJ-like except he can play some Defense....I really like him if he can play SF in the league

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[pepe1991]

can knock on guy be that he looks like Dante Exum ?

[pepe1991]

I’m never going to set those expectations on a kid expected to go late / outside the lottery in a weak draft class.

However ... My interest in Nesmith as a someone people will regret passing on is growing.

If he is sitting there at #15 I will be very pleased if we take him.

All of the stats love Nesmith. I hope we draft him.

For some reason, when ever i think of him, i think back to Cam Johnson last year. a bigger pure shooter with great numbers all around, and yet was ignored by the fans\online "draftniks" but i doubt is ignored by the GMs

id be shocked if hes not a lotto pick

Cam was ignored because of his age. Guy will in sophmore nba year turn 25. And where in NBA him and Mikal Bridges are not bad nba players, they also provide almost no upside,as they are just year or two YOUNGERthan Saric, Booker and Oubre, who have been in nba for half of decade (on same team).
For same reasons Saddiq Bey stock looks to be falling, while Kilian Hayes is going up. Bey is full 2 calenader years younger. In eyes of the scouts and GMs they simply have more time to poslih and work on Hayes than on Bey.


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[zaymon]

All of the stats love Nesmith. I hope we draft him.

For some reason, when ever i think of him, i think back to Cam Johnson last year. a bigger pure shooter with great numbers all around, and yet was ignored by the fans\online "draftniks" but i doubt is ignored by the GMs

id be shocked if hes not a lotto pick

Cam was ignored because of his age. Guy will in sophmore nba year turn 25. And where in NBA him and Mikal Bridges are not bad nba players, they also provide almost no upside,as they are just year or two older than Saric, Booker and Oubre, who have been in nba for half of decade (on same team).
For same reasons Saddiq Bey stock looks to be falling, while Kilian Hayes is going up. Bey is full 2 calenader years younger. In eyes of the scouts and GMs they simply have more time to poslih and work on Hayes than on Bey.

I heard the Cameron- Nesmith comparison on some podcasts. Cameron was viewed as far superior player.
Bey is falling becouse of his limited self creation. Playoffs lens working right now. What is interesting about him some evaluators think he is good switchable defender and some think he is plain bad defender.

[drsd]

Thinking of pick #45, there are not really any draft-N-stash players in this range.

I thus assume the Magic is drafting for Frazier's replacement. That means someone like: CJ Elleby, Nate Hinton, Jordan Nwora, or Lamar Stevens.

Nwora has a clear NBA skill: he can hit the long-ball. He might be an interesting draft idea.

[Skybox]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

[zaymon]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

Well i can only think of Cole Anthony who meets your criteria but i doubt he is that good. Riley doesnt shy from athletic players. Adebayo, Winslow, Okpala, Richardson. Its hard for us to evaluate mindset without background checks and interviews.

[KillMonger]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

i get it but with cliff here i could never envision a rookie being involved as much as herro has....he'll definitely play him, give him minutes but coach spo has herro on a long enough leash to dance out there and make mistakes.....herro here in orlando under cliff would probably be sitting in a corner...cliff's offense is centered around making the least mistakes so thats why i guess everything seems so simple

[pepe1991]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

i get it but with cliff here i could never envision a rookie being involved as much as herro has....he'll definitely play him, give him minutes but coach spo has herro on a long enough leash to dance out there and make mistakes.....herro here in orlando under cliff would probably be sitting in a corner...cliff's offense is centered around making the least mistakes so thats why i guess everything seems so simple

This false, sad narrative is repeated too many times that some people, who actually know basketball, starting to belive it, and that's why im here, to kill this crappy myths.

Don't worry guys, i'll fact check it in a second

So Steve Clifford took on Bobcats/Hornets in 2013 and his relantionship and usage of young players
2013-14 : Cody Zeller
4th overall pick, in rookie year he played over 17 mpg. 7 years later, Zeller is still role player at best, playing 22 mpg at average.
During same year, with Clifford :

[b]Michael Kidd Gillchrist[/b] 24 mpg/ career 24,6 mpg player

Biyombo, 14 mpg / 20 mpg
Kemba Walker 36 mpg / 33,8 mpg in career

Observation: he cut PT of trash ( Biyombo), gave Zeller more than enough PT to develop, yet , as usual (and as we will se in rest of this study) he simply did not have talent to develop. He played A LOOOT Kemba and MKG.

2014-15:
9th pick Noah Vonleh 11 mpg / 16,9 mpg in career
26th pick PJ Hairstone ( whoever) 15 mpg / lasted 2 years in nba


2015-16
lottery pick Kaminsky 21 mpg in rookie year / 21 mpg in career

2016-17 - nothing young added

2017-18
malik Monk 13,6 mpg in rookie year / 17 mpg in career
Bacon 13mpg in rookie year / 16 mpg in career



O R L A N D O M A G I C
Isaac- in year before Clifford 19,9 mpg, / 26,6 mpg with Clifford

Fultz -22mpg before Clifford - 27,5 mpg with Clifford


So whole crap is only true on 3 players: Malik Monk (unplayable bust) , Noah Vonleh ( borderline unplayable bust) and Mo Bamba ( unplayable ). But hey, if you keep saying same lie over and over some fool might take it as a fact i guess?
If you are playable, or even semi playable, ,Clifford will find place for you. And there has be NOT A SINGLE CASE WHERE CLIFFORD BENCHED OR DNP-ed guy WHO WAS ACTUALLY LATER GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER. So it's not hard to see only co-relation here that exists. Clifford has great eye for who can play and who is not even worth putting on the court.
For God' sake guy made Kemba Walker look like legit star, this playoffs are exposing how average Kemba really is. Guy is worst than 35 years old Dragic.

[Ducklett]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

i get it but with cliff here i could never envision a rookie being involved as much as herro has....he'll definitely play him, give him minutes but coach spo has herro on a long enough leash to dance out there and make mistakes.....herro here in orlando under cliff would probably be sitting in a corner...cliff's offense is centered around making the least mistakes so thats why i guess everything seems so simple

This false, sad narrative is repeated too many times that some people, who actually know basketball, starting to belive it, and that's why im here, to kill this crappy myths.

Don't worry guys, i'll fact check it in a second

So Steve Clifford took on Bobcats/Hornets in 2013 and his relantionship and usage of young players
2013-14 : Cody Zeller
4th overall pick, in rookie year he played over 17 mpg. 7 years later, Zeller is still role player at best, playing 22 mpg at average.
During same year, with Clifford :

[b]Michael Kidd Gillchrist[/b] 24 mpg/ career 24,6 mpg player

Biyombo, 14 mpg / 20 mpg
Kemba Walker 36 mpg / 33,8 mpg in career

Observation: he cut PT of trash ( Biyombo), gave Zeller more than enough PT to develop, yet , as usual (and as we will se in rest of this study) he simply did not have talent to develop. He played A LOOOT Kemba and MKG.

2014-15:
9th pick Noah Vonleh 11 mpg / 16,9 mpg in career
26th pick PJ Hairstone ( whoever) 15 mpg / lasted 2 years in nba


2015-16
lottery pick Kaminsky 21 mpg in rookie year / 21 mpg in career

2016-17 - nothing young added

2017-18
malik Monk 13,6 mpg in rookie year / 17 mpg in career
Bacon 13mpg in rookie year / 16 mpg in career



O R L A N D O M A G I C
Isaac- in year before Clifford 19,9 mpg, / 26,6 mpg with Clifford

Fultz -22mpg before Clifford - 27,5 mpg with Clifford


So whole crap is only true on 3 players: Malik Monk (unplayable bust) , Noah Vonleh ( borderline unplayable bust) and Mo Bamba ( unplayable ). But hey, if you keep saying same lie over and over some fool might take it as a fact i guess?
If you are playable, or even semi playable, ,Clifford will find place for you. And there has be NOT A SINGLE CASE WHERE CLIFFORD BENCHED OR DNP-ed guy WHO WAS ACTUALLY LATER GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER. So it's not hard to see only co-relation here that exists. Clifford has great eye for who can play and who is not even worth putting on the court.
For God' sake guy made Kemba Walker look like legit star, this playoffs are exposing how average Kemba really is. Guy is worst than 35 years old Dragic.

I think it is more likely that Kemba's injuries are exposing Kemba, not his inability to play basketball.

[KillMonger]

Get the guy at #15 who thinks he should be #1 and marks the calendar for everyone picked ahead of him. Pick the competitive psychopath who might lack a measurable but demands the ball in big moments...get the guy Riley wants-and then play him!

i get it but with cliff here i could never envision a rookie being involved as much as herro has....he'll definitely play him, give him minutes but coach spo has herro on a long enough leash to dance out there and make mistakes.....herro here in orlando under cliff would probably be sitting in a corner...cliff's offense is centered around making the least mistakes so thats why i guess everything seems so simple

This false, sad narrative is repeated too many times that some people, who actually know basketball, starting to belive it, and that's why im here, to kill this crappy myths.

Don't worry guys, i'll fact check it in a second

So Steve Clifford took on Bobcats/Hornets in 2013 and his relantionship and usage of young players
2013-14 : Cody Zeller
4th overall pick, in rookie year he played over 17 mpg. 7 years later, Zeller is still role player at best, playing 22 mpg at average.
During same year, with Clifford :

[b]Michael Kidd Gillchrist[/b] 24 mpg/ career 24,6 mpg player

Biyombo, 14 mpg / 20 mpg
Kemba Walker 36 mpg / 33,8 mpg in career

Observation: he cut PT of trash ( Biyombo), gave Zeller more than enough PT to develop, yet , as usual (and as we will se in rest of this study) he simply did not have talent to develop. He played A LOOOT Kemba and MKG.

2014-15:
9th pick Noah Vonleh 11 mpg / 16,9 mpg in career
26th pick PJ Hairstone ( whoever) 15 mpg / lasted 2 years in nba


2015-16
lottery pick Kaminsky 21 mpg in rookie year / 21 mpg in career

2016-17 - nothing young added

2017-18
malik Monk 13,6 mpg in rookie year / 17 mpg in career
Bacon 13mpg in rookie year / 16 mpg in career



O R L A N D O M A G I C
Isaac- in year before Clifford 19,9 mpg, / 26,6 mpg with Clifford

Fultz -22mpg before Clifford - 27,5 mpg with Clifford


So whole crap is only true on 3 players: Malik Monk (unplayable bust) , Noah Vonleh ( borderline unplayable bust) and Mo Bamba ( unplayable ). But hey, if you keep saying same lie over and over some fool might take it as a fact i guess?
If you are playable, or even semi playable, ,Clifford will find place for you. And there has be NOT A SINGLE CASE WHERE CLIFFORD BENCHED OR DNP-ed guy WHO WAS ACTUALLY LATER GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER. So it's not hard to see only co-relation here that exists. Clifford has great eye for who can play and who is not even worth putting on the court.
For God' sake guy made Kemba Walker look like legit star, this playoffs are exposing how average Kemba really is. Guy is worst than 35 years old Dragic.

i'll give you kemba but it's interesting as he didn't have a rookie kemba, iirc he inherited pretty much a 3rd year kemba coming off averaging near 18 points a game the previous year so he was on the rise already before clifford was even there....i wonder if he had gotten a rookie kemba would he have ended up being the same player if he was with clifford in his first few years

[pepe1991]

i get it but with cliff here i could never envision a rookie being involved as much as herro has....he'll definitely play him, give him minutes but coach spo has herro on a long enough leash to dance out there and make mistakes.....herro here in orlando under cliff would probably be sitting in a corner...cliff's offense is centered around making the least mistakes so thats why i guess everything seems so simple

This false, sad narrative is repeated too many times that some people, who actually know basketball, starting to belive it, and that's why im here, to kill this crappy myths.

Don't worry guys, i'll fact check it in a second

So Steve Clifford took on Bobcats/Hornets in 2013 and his relantionship and usage of young players
2013-14 : Cody Zeller
4th overall pick, in rookie year he played over 17 mpg. 7 years later, Zeller is still role player at best, playing 22 mpg at average.
During same year, with Clifford :

[b]Michael Kidd Gillchrist[/b] 24 mpg/ career 24,6 mpg player

Biyombo, 14 mpg / 20 mpg
Kemba Walker 36 mpg / 33,8 mpg in career

Observation: he cut PT of trash ( Biyombo), gave Zeller more than enough PT to develop, yet , as usual (and as we will se in rest of this study) he simply did not have talent to develop. He played A LOOOT Kemba and MKG.

2014-15:
9th pick Noah Vonleh 11 mpg / 16,9 mpg in career
26th pick PJ Hairstone ( whoever) 15 mpg / lasted 2 years in nba


2015-16
lottery pick Kaminsky 21 mpg in rookie year / 21 mpg in career

2016-17 - nothing young added

2017-18
malik Monk 13,6 mpg in rookie year / 17 mpg in career
Bacon 13mpg in rookie year / 16 mpg in career



O R L A N D O M A G I C
Isaac- in year before Clifford 19,9 mpg, / 26,6 mpg with Clifford

Fultz -22mpg before Clifford - 27,5 mpg with Clifford


So whole crap is only true on 3 players: Malik Monk (unplayable bust) , Noah Vonleh ( borderline unplayable bust) and Mo Bamba ( unplayable ). But hey, if you keep saying same lie over and over some fool might take it as a fact i guess?
If you are playable, or even semi playable, ,Clifford will find place for you. And there has be NOT A SINGLE CASE WHERE CLIFFORD BENCHED OR DNP-ed guy WHO WAS ACTUALLY LATER GREAT BASKETBALL PLAYER. So it's not hard to see only co-relation here that exists. Clifford has great eye for who can play and who is not even worth putting on the court.
For God' sake guy made Kemba Walker look like legit star, this playoffs are exposing how average Kemba really is. Guy is worst than 35 years old Dragic.

i'll give you kemba but it's interesting as he didn't have a rookie kemba, iirc he inherited pretty much a 3rd year kemba coming off averaging near 18 points a game the previous year so he was on the rise already before clifford was even there....i wonder if he had gotten a rookie kemba would he have ended up being the same player if he was with clifford in his first few years

Kemba wasn't really good when Clifford took over. He was more like Sexston is today. Below average efficiency, lot of shots on team that was straight garbage ( 21-61). Over one offseason Clifford transformed thme into 43-39 team.

They were second worst offense and the worst defense , with Clifford they become 5th best defense and 24th offense ( still horrific but hey, Al Horford was best player).
Kemba over time, under him started to turn around his game from empty numbers to productive player. In his 5th year (after 2 years with Clifford) Kemba transformed into above average PG. Under clifford he played of his best seasons of his career.

Main issue with Kemba is fact he is 5'11 ( something he admited to media members in 2019), he is really,really small player. It's hard for him to get good looks and it's almost impossible to make a team where he is best player- work, especially in playoffs.

But Kemba is not topic, it's usage of young players under Clifford. Clifford never had some new rookie superstar on his hands, but lot of times he was handed garbage and overdrafted prospects like Zeller nor Noah Vonleh. For crying out loud, fans and media were painting Vonleh as new , just athletic Lamarcus Aldrige. Only issue was that he made like 15 mid range jumpers in college and everybody was up in arms to proclaim him as sharpshooter.
After 6 yeras of nba data about him , we learned that he is career 35% mid range shooter

MOnk was another talking point and how Clifford is sabotaging him. 2 years later, after 3 full seasons in nba, it's clear that Monk simply can't shoot and nobody sabotaged him other than his physical and basketball limitations. He is 6'3 shooting guard who can't defend, has no jumpshot and can't really run with ball. It will take miracle for him to survive in nba for another 2 years.

Once you put it all together, it becomes clear what Clifford doesn't do. He does not sabotage good players or even players who play hard. He simply benches bad ones and ones who show nothing. Despite all their limitations he still played MKG (defense, effort, hustle), Zeller ( defense,effort) and Kaminsky ( shooting treat, heart ). Even some scrubs like Iwundu, PJ Hairstone or Briscoe.

Bamba showed NOTHING , yet he still finds a ways to play him. Guy literally over 2 years only proved he should not been lottery pick. yet guy still gets 14 mpg despite bringing no effort ,energy nor production. People want excuses to feel better about him. There are non. He simply can't put it all together, he can't put himself in shape and even when he does play, his effort is bad.

[yoyojw17]

seems like RJ is making some improvements to the shot

Watch on YouTube

it's still in an empty gym but you can't say he isn't trying to put in the work

I just want to draft somebody that can already naturally shoot for once. I know that's a lot to ask for from this FO (and from this organization considering the players we've drafted/acquired the 7 years) but it would be nice to finally draft someone who has natural shooting/scoring ability and not someone who is rebuilding his shot or trying to improve his awful efficiency.

half of me agrees with you...the other half is telling me just get the guy with the highest ceiling....At 15 Hampton is a pick i wouldn't be unhappy with....For me i'm kinda locked in with Kira Lewis as the guy i'm hoping for at 15....My sleeper "Chuma Okeke-like" pick(as in a reach out of nowhere) is Jaden Mcdaniels....Jaden is MPJ-like except he can play some Defense....I really like him if he can play SF in the league

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I'm with both of you! Lewis, Nesmith or Hampton with our pick and McDaniel with a later 1st pick would be a very good draft. Or any combination of them if we get another mid range pick.

Mcdaniels is like the Bizarro Isaac in my head.... offensively gift (though this season was a meh... but could be a blessing for us)... that we can really grow on the defensive end... and grow physically to take steps forward.

EDIT:

Started looking at some of his vids and the Smith said the same thing... "Jonathan Isaac like"

Watch on YouTube

[MagicMatic]

A scorer that can get real minutes on this team.

[basketballRob]

I'm still all in on Maxey. He had an off year at Kentucky or he'd be a high lottery pick. He's played pg his whole life before last season. Plus defensively he's very good and won EYBL dpoy and put up some great defensive stats. Knightbro made a good point that he could play along with Fultz and guard the smaller, quicker PG's.

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