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Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread

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What kind of player do you think we need most?

Point Guard
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12%
Scoring Guard
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Great Shooter
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3&D Wing
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8%
 
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1701 » by OrlChamps2030 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:32 pm

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The Effect wrote:Im good on maxey, he screams "malik monk" to me. That might be a lazy comparison but thats all i see when i watch him
And we all see how that went with monk\clifford
Where are you seeing that? Monk was a undersized shoting/scoring machine at Kentucky. Maxey is more of a athletic slasher that projects as a solid shooter. I dont see the comp.

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both are 6'3, 195lb shooting guards
Both are very athletic slashers with good shots but take alot of bad shots
Their numbers are pretty identical except for the 3pt shot
Both good defenders

To me, they are similar players except that Monk is more athletic and better shooter

IIRC Monk was way more of an off ball shooter type. Didn’t flash a lot of slashing like Maxey
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Post#1702 » by Knightro » Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:40 pm

Skybox wrote:You lost me at “doesn’t get to the line”


Bane's FT Rate was only 13% which was incredibly low for anyone, much less an experienced senior with a USG of 24.4.

I don't hate Bane, he's obviously an excellent shooter.

I just think he's firmly a role player at the NBA level with almost no chance of becoming much more.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1703 » by The Effect » Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:36 pm

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IllMagic04 wrote:Where are you seeing that? Monk was a undersized shoting/scoring machine at Kentucky. Maxey is more of a athletic slasher that projects as a solid shooter. I dont see the comp.

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both are 6'3, 195lb shooting guards
Both are very athletic slashers with good shots but take alot of bad shots
Their numbers are pretty identical except for the 3pt shot
Both good defenders

To me, they are similar players except that Monk is more athletic and better shooter

IIRC Monk was way more of an off ball shooter type. Didn’t flash a lot of slashing like Maxey

he was more of a shooter, but he was also one of the more athletic\high flying players in the draft. Might not of slashed as much as maxey, but it wasnt because it wasnt part of his game, its just that he could do more things
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1704 » by Skybox » Thu Oct 15, 2020 7:06 pm

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Skybox wrote:You lost me at “doesn’t get to the line”


Bane's FT Rate was only 13% which was incredibly low for anyone, much less an experienced senior with a USG of 24.4.

I don't hate Bane, he's obviously an excellent shooter.

I just think he's firmly a role player at the NBA level with almost no chance of becoming much more.


There are quite a few good players in our draft range, but, IMO, a 3 and D shooter isn't what we need (you can never have enough but not our biggest priority). I think, unless there's a broad talent gap, we really need someone who can put the ball on the floor, stir things up, create offense, get to the line...as well as shoot 3's. Tall order, but I think possible. That's why I'm not nuts about Vassell (for example), who will be a great player but, just like Mikal Bridges, will sit in the corner and wait (for who?) to draw the defenders away. I'm a Fultz fan and he SHOULD be shooting a lot of FT's but it takes more than one to disrupt perimeter defense and create good shots.I like a combo guard, secondary ball handler. Terry, Maxey, Lewis are my guys. I'd really like to snag a second mid-FRP, likely in an AG or Evan trade, to ALSO grab one of those bigger, athletic, 3 and D guys like Nesmith, Vassell, Bey, Green, etc...I have no problem with 3 rookies (including Okeke) as our veteran core would largely still be intact.
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Post#1705 » by zaymon » Thu Oct 15, 2020 8:38 pm

Skybox wrote:
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Skybox wrote:You lost me at “doesn’t get to the line”


Bane's FT Rate was only 13% which was incredibly low for anyone, much less an experienced senior with a USG of 24.4.

I don't hate Bane, he's obviously an excellent shooter.

I just think he's firmly a role player at the NBA level with almost no chance of becoming much more.


There are quite a few good players in our draft range, but, IMO, a 3 and D shooter isn't what we need (you can never have enough but not our biggest priority). I think, unless there's a broad talent gap, we really need someone who can put the ball on the floor, stir things up, create offense, get to the line...as well as shoot 3's. Tall order, but I think possible. That's why I'm not nuts about Vassell (for example), who will be a great player but, just like Mikal Bridges, will sit in the corner and wait (for who?) to draw the defenders away. I'm a Fultz fan and he SHOULD be shooting a lot of FT's but it takes more than one to disrupt perimeter defense and create good shots.I like a combo guard, secondary ball handler. Terry, Maxey, Lewis are my guys. I'd really like to snag a second mid-FRP, likely in an AG or Evan trade, to ALSO grab one of those bigger, athletic, 3 and D guys like Nesmith, Vassell, Bey, Green, etc...I have no problem with 3 rookies (including Okeke) as our veteran core would largely still be intact.


Well Bane is propably the best secondary ball handler maybe outside Lewis. His FT rate was a lot higher for the first two college seasons when he was not the lead ball handler. It was comparable to all these guys really. Given his size and strength, he will propably stay the best playmaker in the nba. I dont know how you can dismiss Bane in one sentence and promote Terry, Maxey and Lewis in other. Only age works in their favour, but they will not grow 6'6 with Bane frame.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1706 » by yoyojw17 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:04 pm

Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?
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Post#1707 » by Def Swami » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:09 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?

I'd do it.
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Post#1708 » by MagicMatic » Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:21 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


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Post#1709 » by Xatticus » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:16 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.
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Post#1710 » by MasterGMer » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:53 pm

yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I'd do it too
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1711 » by IllMagic04 » Thu Oct 15, 2020 10:54 pm

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yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.
Cause Levert is seen as a better player. So to even out the value the pick swap is needed. Id consider this trade. Not sure the Nets would

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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1712 » by Ducklett » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:03 pm

IllMagic04 wrote:
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yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.
Cause Levert is seen as a better player. So to even out the value the pick swap is needed. Id consider this trade. Not sure the Nets would

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Since KD has got there, Levert has gone from "great player" to "break-out superstar" which I find strange. Just wanted to point that out.

Not sure how I feel about Levert on the Magic. What do you guys think he would bring to the team?
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Post#1713 » by MasterGMer » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:13 pm

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I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.
Cause Levert is seen as a better player. So to even out the value the pick swap is needed. Id consider this trade. Not sure the Nets would

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Since KD has got there, Levert has gone from "great player" to "break-out superstar" which I find strange. Just wanted to point that out.

Not sure how I feel about Levert on the Magic. What do you guys think he would bring to the team?


An emerging star and 2nd option under Vuc or sometimes the 1st option
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Post#1714 » by Ducklett » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:25 pm

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IllMagic04 wrote:Cause Levert is seen as a better player. So to even out the value the pick swap is needed. Id consider this trade. Not sure the Nets would

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Since KD has got there, Levert has gone from "great player" to "break-out superstar" which I find strange. Just wanted to point that out.

Not sure how I feel about Levert on the Magic. What do you guys think he would bring to the team?


An emerging star and 2nd option under Vuc or sometimes the 1st option


He is about to turn 27, don't you think he is what he is at this point? Or do you think it is a product of being in that situation that he didnt emerge and still can?
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Post#1715 » by MasterGMer » Thu Oct 15, 2020 11:31 pm

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Ducklett wrote:
Since KD has got there, Levert has gone from "great player" to "break-out superstar" which I find strange. Just wanted to point that out.

Not sure how I feel about Levert on the Magic. What do you guys think he would bring to the team?


An emerging star and 2nd option under Vuc or sometimes the 1st option


He is about to turn 27, don't you think he is what he is at this point? Or do you think it is a product of being in that situation that he didnt emerge and still can?


His talent is definitely there. Watching him and this young Magic team is interesting. But the FO knows better than a fan like me
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Post#1716 » by J the Drafter » Fri Oct 16, 2020 12:35 am

I know it’s the least popular option, but the team is short on players who can lock down power forwards and centers. Gordon and Isaac are big small forwards more than they are true power forwards. We’ll need to see how well Okeke does defending NBA fours. The absence of big man defenders leaves a weakness in the defensive lineup our front office are creating, even if the league currently has a shortage of offensive centers of and power forwards. I consider covering that weakness to be fairly important.
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Re: Official 2020 NBA Draft Thread 

Post#1717 » by Xatticus » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:22 am

IllMagic04 wrote:
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yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.
Cause Levert is seen as a better player. So to even out the value the pick swap is needed. Id consider this trade. Not sure the Nets would

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Is he? I don’t know what that is based on. LeVert takes a lot of shots. He has lower career eFG and TS percentages than Gordon. That is the criticism of Gordon. LeVert’s 2P% has been plummeting and I really doubt he is actually a 36% 3-point shooter. He is an inferior defender and he is a year older. The only real plus that I see is the extra year on his deal, if that’s something you want.
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Post#1718 » by dc » Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:32 am

J the Drafter wrote:I know it’s the least popular option, but the team is short on players who can lock down power forwards and centers. Gordon and Isaac are big small forwards more than they are true power forwards.


In the modern game, those guys are both PFs. Boston made the ECFs starting Tatum and Brown at F.

Isaac could definitely be a demon on the defensive side but for his injuries.
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Post#1719 » by MagicMatic » Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:21 am

J the Drafter wrote:I know it’s the least popular option, but the team is short on players who can lock down power forwards and centers. Gordon and Isaac are big small forwards more than they are true power forwards. We’ll need to see how well Okeke does defending NBA fours. The absence of big man defenders leaves a weakness in the defensive lineup our front office are creating, even if the league currently has a shortage of offensive centers of and power forwards. I consider covering that weakness to be fairly important.


Ennis, Isaac, Okeke, Aminu, and Birch have it covered.
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Post#1720 » by tiderulz » Fri Oct 16, 2020 4:07 am

Xatticus wrote:
yoyojw17 wrote:Saw a suggestion.... AG+ #15 for Levert + #19...

... what would you'll think?


I suppose I'd do it without the pick swap. I just don't see the reason to agree to that. I'd rather have Dinwiddie though. I'd agree to the pick swap if we got Dinwiddie and filler for Gordon instead. The extra year on LeVert's deal is nice, but I believe Dinwiddie is the better player and provides more of what we need.

except 3 pt shooting. Dinwiddie not a good shooter

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