Fultz's Future with the Magic

[fendilim]

Still 7 months to go.

But Fultz is actually eligible for a contract extension this coming offseason, and I would believe his camp would be interested in one given Markelle's injury history.

I don't see any reason why we won't be interested as well, if Markelle continues to play this way.

But what terms do you think is beneficial for both parties involved?

Given the following:

injury history
him playing with restricted minutes
and as Marc Stein reporter, we weren't even sure if he'd play this year because his shoulders were sore again last offseason.

Or do you think it would be better for the team to have Markelle come with an offer sheet from another team?

I would say 10-14million might be what I'd try to offer him, anything more, I'd let him gauge his market in Free Agency.

[Magic_Johnny12]

Still 7 months to go.

But Fultz is actually eligible for a contract extension this coming offseason, and I would believe his camp would be interested in one given Markelle's injury history.

I don't see any reason why we won't be interested as well, if Markelle continues to play this way.

But what terms do you think is beneficial for both parties involved?

Given the following:

injury history
him playing with restricted minutes
and as Marc Stein reporter, we weren't even sure if he'd play this year because his shoulders were sore again last offseason.

Or do you think it would be better for the team to have Markelle come with an offer sheet from another team?

I would say 10-14million might be what I'd try to offer him, anything more, I'd let him gauge his market in Free Agency.

We’ll easily offer him at *minimum a similar contract to Rozier.

I see no world where we “let him gauge his market in free agency”.

If he finishes this season injury free and continues his development/trajectory that number could rise.

[Knightro]

It's also worth noting that if the Magic choose to do so they can make Fultz a restricted free agent in the summer of 2021 by extending him a qualifying offer.

In the worst case scenario, the Magic have Fultz under team control for the next two seasons after this one.

[MagicFan101]

Interesting. I hadn't even started thinking about his second deal yet.

A deal similar to Rozier's could end up being the steal of the decade ... or an annoying overpay. The risk vs. reward make it a dream scenario.

At the end of said extension he would still be just 25 years old having collected over $95M in base salary. Even after taxes and fees that is more than enough to be set for some time should the injury bug come back. If not, and he continue to develop over the next 4 years, then the $150-200M contracts are still out there.

This probably is a very good measured agreement for both sides ...

[fendilim]

Rozier signed a 58 million 3 year deal. Thats around 19million per year. Thats a bit more than what AG is making. Do you think we offer him that As an extension even with the injury concerns?

[OrlandO]

There are two major concerns that should prevent Fultz from getting Rozier money (19m per year) in extension talks... complete lack of 3pt shot at the moment (Ranked like 200th in 3pt% among guards right now) and more importantly the risk of TOS symptoms resurfacing when he starts putting in high volume 3pt reps again next summer (and in games next season). Unless he goes off and averages like 18+ ppg on two point shots and free throws in the second half of the season the Magic should have leverage in extension negotiations... might be one of the rare times they can pay a promising young player according to their current production rather than their future potential.

[cedric76]

You can't pay the guy if coach keeps playing him next to DJ

DJ Has to go if fultz is to reach his full potential

[fendilim]

You can't pay the guy if coach keeps playing him next to DJ

DJ Has to go if fultz is to reach his full potential

DJ will definitely go. We're talking about a contract thats going to be in effect after 2 years. But we can already negotiate with him this offseason.

[pepe1991]

isaac can also sign new contract.

Tbw i would not go anywhere near $19 M a year for Fultz.

Look at China situation, look at rapid decline of NBA rating, NBA could be in financial crisis soon.

For years media kept repeating NBA regular season does not count and fans now started treat it like it does not matter.
It hurst NBA revenue but also hurts media .

Few years back NBA rights were super expesive for tv stations in Europe, nowdays evey country can cover NBA games at sports stations.

Imo Silver inflated salaries and allowed players to push his hands too much last couple of years.
We litearlly have situation where players demand: more money and less games.
In same time you see how much players just chase money and how little they actually care about winning and that also turns off lot of NBA fans.
We are also now hitting that early 2000s thing where " formal clothes" dress code is back at random players show how way more successfull they are than you, casual fan.
Like Iverson and his diamonds in 2000s now you have Westbrook who spends $300 000 a year on clothes . Literally. There is even article about it.
Court side seats costing $67 000 for nba finals as lowest price? Who da **** can afford that?

Not to mention how bad it looks when you see 22 years old Ben simmons, who didn't improve in basketball one bit for 3 years, buying his 3rd Ferrari, ofc all costom design. OR on social media when Vučević tried to "make a pitch" for Doncic by offerin him his 911 Porshe. And yes it's a joke, but it's a joke to them, for rest of a world it's world they don't belong. And it alienates you ,as basketball fan from product, because you figure that you care about basketball more than them ,who just do it because they were blessed with right genetic materials to be tall and somewhat talented. Bennett is millionaire. Thabeet is millionaire.

Whole story short, no Magic should not throw crazy money at him because salary cap can literally shrink to $85M if China pulls out money. Also if China pulls out money, lot of other companies will too. It's a bubble that has been inflated without "cover" for few years

[tiderulz]

isaac can also sign new contract.

Tbw i would not go anywhere near $19 M a year for Fultz.

Look at China situation, look at rapid decline of NBA rating, NBA could be in financial crisis soon.

For years media kept repeating NBA regular season does not count and fans now started treat it like it does not matter.
It hurst NBA revenue but also hurts media .

Few years back NBA rights were super expesive for tv stations in Europe, nowdays evey country can cover NBA games at sports stations.

Imo Silver inflated salaries and allowed players to push his hands too much last couple of years.
We litearlly have situation where players demand: more money and less games.
In same time you see how much players just chase money and how little they actually care about winning and that also turns off lot of NBA fans.
We are also now hitting that early 2000s thing where " formal clothes" dress code is back at random players show how way more successfull they are than you, casual fan.
Like Iverson and his diamonds in 2000s now you have Westbrook who spends $300 000 a year on clothes . Literally. There is even article about it.
Court side seats costing $67 000 for nba finals as lowest price? Who da **** can afford that?

Not to mention how bad it looks when you see 22 years old Ben simmons, who didn't improve in basketball one bit for 3 years, buying his 3rd Ferrari, ofc all costom design. OR on social media when Vučević tried to "make a pitch" for Doncic by offerin him his 911 Porshe. And yes it's a joke, but it's a joke to them, for rest of a world it's world they don't belong. And it alienates you ,as basketball fan from product, because you figure that you care about basketball more than them ,who just do it because they were blessed with right genetic materials to be tall and somewhat talented. Bennett is millionaire. Thabeet is millionaire.



Whole story short, no Magic should not throw crazy money at him because salary cap can literally shrink to $85M if China pulls out money. Also if China pulls out money, lot of other companies will too. It's a bubble that has been inflated without "cover" for few years

yeah, but you could say the same thing about Soccer salaries that rival if not dwarf Basketball salaries. now you dont get as many scrubs that luck into a giant contract, but the ones that have giant contracts have MONSTER contracts.
Messi $127mil/yr
Ronaldo $109mil/yr
Neymar $105mil/yr

just to name the highest.

[j-ragg]

I don't think we'd have to go as high as Rozier numbers. I think Fultz camp will work with mgmt if they want an extension. We traded for him, let him chill the rest of the season, made him the starting pg. Not like we rescued him but at the same time we gave him a shot.

Might be better for all parties to just hold off and make him a restricted FA. If he shows more progress w/ his outside shot I'd have to think they'd be happy to pay for it.

[pepe1991]

isaac can also sign new contract.

Tbw i would not go anywhere near $19 M a year for Fultz.

Look at China situation, look at rapid decline of NBA rating, NBA could be in financial crisis soon.

For years media kept repeating NBA regular season does not count and fans now started treat it like it does not matter.
It hurst NBA revenue but also hurts media .

Few years back NBA rights were super expesive for tv stations in Europe, nowdays evey country can cover NBA games at sports stations.

Imo Silver inflated salaries and allowed players to push his hands too much last couple of years.
We litearlly have situation where players demand: more money and less games.
In same time you see how much players just chase money and how little they actually care about winning and that also turns off lot of NBA fans.
We are also now hitting that early 2000s thing where " formal clothes" dress code is back at random players show how way more successfull they are than you, casual fan.
Like Iverson and his diamonds in 2000s now you have Westbrook who spends $300 000 a year on clothes . Literally. There is even article about it.
Court side seats costing $67 000 for nba finals as lowest price? Who da **** can afford that?

Not to mention how bad it looks when you see 22 years old Ben simmons, who didn't improve in basketball one bit for 3 years, buying his 3rd Ferrari, ofc all costom design. OR on social media when Vučević tried to "make a pitch" for Doncic by offerin him his 911 Porshe. And yes it's a joke, but it's a joke to them, for rest of a world it's world they don't belong. And it alienates you ,as basketball fan from product, because you figure that you care about basketball more than them ,who just do it because they were blessed with right genetic materials to be tall and somewhat talented. Bennett is millionaire. Thabeet is millionaire.



Whole story short, no Magic should not throw crazy money at him because salary cap can literally shrink to $85M if China pulls out money. Also if China pulls out money, lot of other companies will too. It's a bubble that has been inflated without "cover" for few years

yeah, but you could say the same thing about Soccer salaries that rival if not dwarf Basketball salaries. now you dont get as many scrubs that luck into a giant contract, but the ones that have giant contracts have MONSTER contracts.
Messi $127mil/yr
Ronaldo $109mil/yr
Neymar $105mil/yr

just to name the highest.

Soccer is way mor global and isn't China dependent like NBA is.

[tiderulz]

isaac can also sign new contract.

Tbw i would not go anywhere near $19 M a year for Fultz.

Look at China situation, look at rapid decline of NBA rating, NBA could be in financial crisis soon.

For years media kept repeating NBA regular season does not count and fans now started treat it like it does not matter.
It hurst NBA revenue but also hurts media .

Few years back NBA rights were super expesive for tv stations in Europe, nowdays evey country can cover NBA games at sports stations.

Imo Silver inflated salaries and allowed players to push his hands too much last couple of years.
We litearlly have situation where players demand: more money and less games.
In same time you see how much players just chase money and how little they actually care about winning and that also turns off lot of NBA fans.
We are also now hitting that early 2000s thing where " formal clothes" dress code is back at random players show how way more successfull they are than you, casual fan.
Like Iverson and his diamonds in 2000s now you have Westbrook who spends $300 000 a year on clothes . Literally. There is even article about it.
Court side seats costing $67 000 for nba finals as lowest price? Who da **** can afford that?

Not to mention how bad it looks when you see 22 years old Ben simmons, who didn't improve in basketball one bit for 3 years, buying his 3rd Ferrari, ofc all costom design. OR on social media when Vučević tried to "make a pitch" for Doncic by offerin him his 911 Porshe. And yes it's a joke, but it's a joke to them, for rest of a world it's world they don't belong. And it alienates you ,as basketball fan from product, because you figure that you care about basketball more than them ,who just do it because they were blessed with right genetic materials to be tall and somewhat talented. Bennett is millionaire. Thabeet is millionaire.



Whole story short, no Magic should not throw crazy money at him because salary cap can literally shrink to $85M if China pulls out money. Also if China pulls out money, lot of other companies will too. It's a bubble that has been inflated without "cover" for few years

yeah, but you could say the same thing about Soccer salaries that rival if not dwarf Basketball salaries. now you dont get as many scrubs that luck into a giant contract, but the ones that have giant contracts have MONSTER contracts.
Messi $127mil/yr
Ronaldo $109mil/yr
Neymar $105mil/yr

just to name the highest.

Soccer is way mor global and isn't China dependent like NBA is.

i would debate how much more global soccer is. You got a lot of people in Asia and basketball much more popular than soccer.

[p0peye]

Contract negotiation is one thing I'm not worried about with Weltham.

[Catledge]

yeah, but you could say the same thing about Soccer salaries that rival if not dwarf Basketball salaries. now you dont get as many scrubs that luck into a giant contract, but the ones that have giant contracts have MONSTER contracts.
Messi $127mil/yr
Ronaldo $109mil/yr
Neymar $105mil/yr

just to name the highest.

Soccer is way mor global and isn't China dependent like NBA is.

i would debate how much more global soccer is. You got a lot of people in Asia and basketball much more popular than soccer.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that basketball is as dominant in Asia as you are suggesting. I know that European soccer teams sell a lot of jerseys in China and the Middle East and that for World Cups Fifa.com publishes in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean in addition to a half-dozen or so western languages. Euro soccer teams do preseason tours of East Asia just like a few NBA teams did last summer, and I would guess that the Euro soccer teams have been doing so for some time now. It seems to me that Fifa and European soccer teams have been working to penetrate eastern markets for at least as long as the NBA has.

As to strongest general global presence, seems like it has to be soccer considering that it dominates Latin America, Africa, and Europe, while still maintaining a significant presence in most of Asia (though not really in India as far as I know) and North America.

[tiderulz]

Soccer is way mor global and isn't China dependent like NBA is.

i would debate how much more global soccer is. You got a lot of people in Asia and basketball much more popular than soccer.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that basketball is as dominant in Asia as you are suggesting. I know that European soccer teams sell a lot of jerseys in China and the Middle East and that for World Cups Fifa.com publishes in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean in addition to a half-dozen or so western languages. Euro soccer teams do preseason tours of East Asia just like a few NBA teams did last summer, and I would guess that the Euro soccer teams have been doing so for some time now. It seems to me that Fifa and European soccer teams have been working to penetrate eastern markets for at least as long as the NBA has.

As to strongest general global presence, seems like it has to be soccer considering that it dominates Latin America, Africa, and Europe, while still maintaining a significant presence in most of Asia (though not really in India as far as I know) and North America.

i lived in Korea, Japan and Philippines for 7 years (awhile ago). basketball much more popular to casual people

[MoMM]

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-most-popular-sports-in-the-world.html

1. Association Football (Soccer) - 4 Billion Fans
...
7. Basketball - 825 Million Fans

[pepe1991]

i would debate how much more global soccer is. You got a lot of people in Asia and basketball much more popular than soccer.

Hmmm, I'm not sure that basketball is as dominant in Asia as you are suggesting. I know that European soccer teams sell a lot of jerseys in China and the Middle East and that for World Cups Fifa.com publishes in Chinese, Japanese, and Korean in addition to a half-dozen or so western languages. Euro soccer teams do preseason tours of East Asia just like a few NBA teams did last summer, and I would guess that the Euro soccer teams have been doing so for some time now. It seems to me that Fifa and European soccer teams have been working to penetrate eastern markets for at least as long as the NBA has.

As to strongest general global presence, seems like it has to be soccer considering that it dominates Latin America, Africa, and Europe, while still maintaining a significant presence in most of Asia (though not really in India as far as I know) and North America.

i lived in Korea, Japan and Philippines for 7 years (awhile ago). basketball much more popular to casual people

But soccer doesn't need China market to thrive. Up until last 5 years China (biggest market) was litearlly treated like third -world country when it comes to soccer. Now? Well now guys like Carlos Tevez are the highest payed players in soccer in China. But despite crazy money , most top tear players elect to not go there to play, because they can get similar contracts in Europe ( or even America).

Difference between NBA dependance on China and not so in Europe comes from simple fact.
USA market + Canada is what? 360 000 000 people? Europe population alone is 742 000 000. It's literally twice as big.
Also add to that Brasil ( 200 000 000 ) where it's one of fastest growing economies and by far biggest soccer fans in the world, Argentina 44 000 000 , not strongest market from economy perspective, but whole Africa prefers soccer over any other sport.
Russia is another fast growing economy that prefers soccer ( they hosted last world cup ).

So even if in China soccer isn't as popular as basketball ( and it's debatable, i don't know for sure) ,it's not big deal because everybody else outside USA prefers soccer. That's why world cup is still the biggest sport event.

When you add to that arabians who spend CRAZY money in football/ soccer, now being owers of some of the biggest teams like Man City and PSG , you simply come to conclusion that soccer does not need China to thrive. Where basketball is actually only super popular in China and USA.

Did you know that last world cup total viewership was 4 000 000 000 ? Yes , that's 4 billion people

Where you probably think "China is biggest market there is no way that gap is that big" is where you probably forgot another crazy huge market that doesn't care about basketball and loves soccer- India.
India vievewership for World cup finals was 80 000 000 over two tv stations.
In comparison for USA, nowadays ESPN can't pull up 1 million viewers for regular season game ( not fair comparison but still...)

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These figures are only for standard in-home viewing and exclude out-of-home and mobile device viewing.

Growth was driven by new free-to-air coverage in several countries, notably Brazil and South Africa, while there was also a continued increase in live audiences in the UK.

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Afghanistan, Moldova, Turkmenistan, North Korea and Cuba were the five countries without coverage in 2018/19.

There were 262,102 hours of Premier League coverage broadcast around the world last season, reaching 1.03 billion homes for all broadcast types.

The household reach for live coverage only was 978 million homes.

NBA issue with China andd dependance on their market comes from :
a) their viewership , 200 000 000 Chinese people watched nba finals
b) contract NBA is counting on, the biggest they signed outside USA
c) Nike and other brands that use NBA games in marketing purpose for China market
d) salary to contract ratio. Max deals amount are counted using percentages of total salary cap. Lower salary cap is , because of lower income if China deal is off, lower will contracts be. Lower salary is, lower amount of money NBA teams will have.
Lower amount of money they have, less players they will be able to sign in FA.
Worst FA is, less balanced and interesting league is.

It's pretty much domino effect.

Keep in mind USA vierwership for NBA is alraedy on decline.

[J-Mezzy]

Will the China situation get fixed over time?

[basketballRob]

I predict him and Isaac both get extensions north of 25m per year. Before the season started I thought he might get a max extension and that is still a possibility if he comes out the second half of the year and scores over 20 ppg.