Terrence Ross On The Trade Market?

HairyGOATee · Post #1 » by **HairyGOATee** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:16 pm

Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

MagicFan101 · Post #2 » by **MagicFan101** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:18 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Luka + two 2nd rounders for Ross should do it.

zaymon · Post #3 » by **zaymon** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:20 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

I dont think we want to trade him. His skill set is premium for us. Would take a very good offer.

cedric76 · Post #4 » by **cedric76** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:27 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Luka + two 2nd rounders for Ross should do it.

No sure, Luka will ask a big contract in few years, not sure if we can afford to overpay for another low ceiling euro player.

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Ducklett · Post #5 » by **Ducklett** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:42 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

I don't think offering nothing gets a player like Ross. You should feel lucky that you get to watch one of the best young players since Lebron, but like Lebron, you have nothing left to put around Luka because you used everything to get him and KP.

HairyGOATee · Post #6 » by **HairyGOATee** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 10:55 pm

Well, the 2nd round pick the Mavs can offer is going to be high, since it belongs to Golden State, and they can give a 2026 first round pick, plus cash, and pick swaps, but if Ross is actually wanted in Orlando, then a deal like Lee, Roby, 2nd round pick, and lottery protected 2026 first round pick doesn't make much sense.

HairyGOATee · Post #7 » by **HairyGOATee** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:03 pm

Ducklett wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

I don't think offering nothing gets a player like Ross. You should feel lucky that you get to watch one of the best young players since Lebron, but like Lebron, you have nothing left to put around Luka because you used everything to get him and KP.

The team has pretty good depth though. Luka, KP, THJ (kinda hot right now), Delon, Kleber, Powell, DFS, Boban, Barea, Brunson, Seth Curry, Justin Jackson...that's a nice 12 man rotation. They have Roby (2nd round rookie) who has an intriguingly versatile skill set, but it still raw, Lee (sizable expiring), and Broekhoff (3 point specialist), but they rarely ever play.

And in terms of what else they can offer in a trade, possibly the max of $5.6 million, Golden State's 2nd round pick this season, a 2026 first round pick, and pick swaps in 2020, 22, and 25.

They can also get creative by removing the pick protections on the 2023 first they gave to NYK, then ask a team to send them unprotected 2021 and 2023 picks, so that they can dish out unprotected first rounders in 2020, 22, 24, and 26. That way the team is able to give a team 2 first round picks in a deal.

On top of that, the Mavs have a sizable TPE from the Harrison Barnes trade, which they can use to get someone who's salary is up to $11.8 million.

But if Ross is a keeper, then nvm. What about Fournier though?

Ducklett · Post #8 » by **Ducklett** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:38 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

I don't think offering nothing gets a player like Ross. You should feel lucky that you get to watch one of the best young players since Lebron, but like Lebron, you have nothing left to put around Luka because you used everything to get him and KP.

The team has pretty good depth though. Luka, KP, THJ (kinda hot right now), Delon, Kleber, Powell, DFS, Boban, Barea, Brunson, Seth Curry, Justin Jackson...that's a nice 12 man rotation. They have Roby (2nd round rookie) who has an intriguingly versatile skill set, but it still raw, Lee (sizable expiring), and Broekhoff (3 point specialist), but they rarely ever play.

And in terms of what else they can offer in a trade, possibly the max of $5.6 million, Golden State's 2nd round pick this season, a 2026 first round pick, and pick swaps in 2020, 22, and 25.

They can also get creative by removing the pick protections on the 2023 first they gave to NYK, then ask a team to send them unprotected 2021 and 2023 picks, so that they can dish out unprotected first rounders in 2020, 22, 24, and 26. That way the team is able to give a team 2 first round picks in a deal.

On top of that, the Mavs have a sizable TPE from the Harrison Barnes trade, which they can use to get someone who's salary is up to $11.8 million.

But if Ross is a keeper, then nvm. What about Fournier though?

I didn't say Ross is a keeper. Pick swapping with the team picking 27th is actually 0 value, that is all I am saying. Trading Ross for the privilege of hoping LuKa gets injured (not something anyone would want to do because watching Luka is fun) isn't value nor a strategy any FO should really engage in.

Dubious Kitty · Post #9 » by **Dubious Kitty** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:46 pm

HairyGOATee wrote:Well, the 2nd round pick the Mavs can offer is going to be high, since it belongs to Golden State, and they can give a 2026 first round pick, plus cash, and pick swaps, but if Ross is actually wanted in Orlando, then a deal like Lee, Roby, 2nd round pick, and lottery protected 2026 first round pick doesn't make much sense.

We would never take a second round pick. Our team is desperate for shooters and he provides it.

HairyGOATee · Post #10 » by **HairyGOATee** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:54 pm

Dubious Kitty wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Well, the 2nd round pick the Mavs can offer is going to be high, since it belongs to Golden State, and they can give a 2026 first round pick, plus cash, and pick swaps, but if Ross is actually wanted in Orlando, then a deal like Lee, Roby, 2nd round pick, and lottery protected 2026 first round pick doesn't make much sense.

We would never take a second round pick. Our team is desperate for shooters and he provides it.

Fair enough. You all should hit up the Wizards. Send Bamba and a 2nd (maybe a protected first) to them for Bertans and Wagner.They need defense and you all need shooters. Perfect match.

HairyGOATee · Post #11 » by **HairyGOATee** » Mon Dec 9, 2019 11:56 pm

Ducklett wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
I don't think offering nothing gets a player like Ross. You should feel lucky that you get to watch one of the best young players since Lebron, but like Lebron, you have nothing left to put around Luka because you used everything to get him and KP.

The team has pretty good depth though. Luka, KP, THJ (kinda hot right now), Delon, Kleber, Powell, DFS, Boban, Barea, Brunson, Seth Curry, Justin Jackson...that's a nice 12 man rotation. They have Roby (2nd round rookie) who has an intriguingly versatile skill set, but it still raw, Lee (sizable expiring), and Broekhoff (3 point specialist), but they rarely ever play.

And in terms of what else they can offer in a trade, possibly the max of $5.6 million, Golden State's 2nd round pick this season, a 2026 first round pick, and pick swaps in 2020, 22, and 25.

They can also get creative by removing the pick protections on the 2023 first they gave to NYK, then ask a team to send them unprotected 2021 and 2023 picks, so that they can dish out unprotected first rounders in 2020, 22, 24, and 26. That way the team is able to give a team 2 first round picks in a deal.

On top of that, the Mavs have a sizable TPE from the Harrison Barnes trade, which they can use to get someone who's salary is up to $11.8 million.

But if Ross is a keeper, then nvm. What about Fournier though?

I didn't say Ross is a keeper. Pick swapping with the team picking 27th is actually 0 value, that is all I am saying. Trading Ross for the privilege of hoping LuKa gets injured (not something anyone would want to do because watching Luka is fun) isn't value nor a strategy any FO should really engage in.

Huh? Who's hoping Luka gets injured?

I was thinking about Ross as a spot starter and wing for the bench tbh. The Mavs play Luka at PG, with THJ and DFS on the wing, so maybe Ross could provide them with an upgrade along the wing.

Popsicle1228 · Post #12 » by **Popsicle1228** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:00 am

HairyGOATee wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

I don't think offering nothing gets a player like Ross. You should feel lucky that you get to watch one of the best young players since Lebron, but like Lebron, you have nothing left to put around Luka because you used everything to get him and KP.

The team has pretty good depth though. Luka, KP, THJ (kinda hot right now), Delon, Kleber, Powell, DFS, Boban, Barea, Brunson, Seth Curry, Justin Jackson...that's a nice 12 man rotation. They have Roby (2nd round rookie) who has an intriguingly versatile skill set, but it still raw, Lee (sizable expiring), and Broekhoff (3 point specialist), but they rarely ever play.

And in terms of what else they can offer in a trade, possibly the max of $5.6 million, Golden State's 2nd round pick this season, a 2026 first round pick, and pick swaps in 2020, 22, and 25.

They can also get creative by removing the pick protections on the 2023 first they gave to NYK, then ask a team to send them unprotected 2021 and 2023 picks, so that they can dish out unprotected first rounders in 2020, 22, 24, and 26. That way the team is able to give a team 2 first round picks in a deal.

On top of that, the Mavs have a sizable TPE from the Harrison Barnes trade, which they can use to get someone who's salary is up to $11.8 million.

But if Ross is a keeper, then nvm. What about Fournier though?

Ross’s value to our team likely exceeds his actual market value because he plays such a key role for us. He is one of only a few players on our team who can create their shot and shoot from range. Moreover, our already challenged bench would fall apart without him. As such, most if not all teams would likely have to overpay the Magic for his services. In other words, Ross is not untouchable, but I don’t think most teams would give up what the Magic would need back to compensate for his importance specific to our team.

basketballRob · Post #13 » by **basketballRob** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 12:17 am

Not sure Dallas has any assets that we would want minus Doncic and KP.

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MagicFan101 · Post #14 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:08 am

Ross fully embraces the 6th man role with pride and does it with a skill set we are short on while not being a cap liability.

He isn't valuable enough on the open market to earn us a top draft pick or a star starter.

Basically, he is worth more to us than to others and as a result we just can't expect anyone to be stupid enough to offer what it would take to make a deal.

fendilim · Post #15 » by **fendilim** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:48 am

Well, i would suppose all our players are on the market. Otherwise, we’re in deep ****.

NavalAviator94 · Post #16 » by **NavalAviator94** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 1:56 am

HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. 2nd Rounders? That’s insulting.

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HairyGOATee · Post #17 » by **HairyGOATee** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 2:34 am

NavalAviator94 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. 2nd Rounders? That’s insulting.

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My bad, but to be fair, Ross is on a 4 year deal, comes off the bench, and isn't a 40% 3 point shooter.

And the 2nd round pick the Mavs have this year belongs to GSW, so it'll be high. The only first round pick they can offer is a 2026, but pick swaps could be fun.

But the more I think about it, the more I feel Aminu might be a better target for the team. That's a guy that could probably be had for a 2nd rounder and a traded player exception. The Magic can then use that TPE to pick up a shooter.

NavalAviator94 · Post #18 » by **NavalAviator94** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:05 am

HairyGOATee wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. 2nd Rounders? That’s insulting.

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My bad, but to be fair, Ross is on a 4 year deal, comes off the bench, and isn't a 40% 3 point shooter.

And the 2nd round pick the Mavs have this year belongs to GSW, so it'll be high. The only first round pick they can offer is a 2026, but pick swaps could be fun.

But the more I think about it, the more I feel Aminu might be a better target for the team. That's a guy that could probably be had for a 2nd rounder and a traded player exception. The Magic can then use that TPE to pick up a shooter.

I’m fine with Aminu but Ross has way more value.

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HairyGOATee · Post #19 » by **HairyGOATee** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:09 am

NavalAviator94 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. 2nd Rounders? That’s insulting.

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My bad, but to be fair, Ross is on a 4 year deal, comes off the bench, and isn't a 40% 3 point shooter.

And the 2nd round pick the Mavs have this year belongs to GSW, so it'll be high. The only first round pick they can offer is a 2026, but pick swaps could be fun.

But the more I think about it, the more I feel Aminu might be a better target for the team. That's a guy that could probably be had for a 2nd rounder and a traded player exception. The Magic can then use that TPE to pick up a shooter.

I’m fine with Aminu but Ross has way more value.

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That's fair. Probably better for Mavs to target Aminu too. They need defense. I just thought Ross might be someone the Magic would want to get rid of since he's on a 4 year deal, albeit one that is not an overpayment.

MagicFan101 · Post #20 » by **MagicFan101** » Tue Dec 10, 2019 3:15 am

HairyGOATee wrote:
NavalAviator94 wrote:
HairyGOATee wrote:Is Terrence Ross On The Trade Market? If so, then what would get a deal done? Would an expiring contract with some draft capital (mostly 2nd round picks and first round pick swaps) work?

Get the hell out of here with that nonsense. 2nd Rounders? That’s insulting.

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My bad, but to be fair, Ross is on a 4 year deal, comes off the bench, and isn't a 40% 3 point shooter.

And the 2nd round pick the Mavs have this year belongs to GSW, so it'll be high. The only first round pick they can offer is a 2026, but pick swaps could be fun.

But the more I think about it, the more I feel Aminu might be a better target for the team. That's a guy that could probably be had for a 2nd rounder and a traded player exception. The Magic can then use that TPE to pick up a shooter.

Summarizing Ross as simply "a bench player who can't shoot 40% from 3" suggests you don't understand what he actually is and why he earned that contract. Therefore, I wonder why you are interested in him at all ...

He is called The Human Torch and Coin-Toss-Ross for a reason ...