GelbeWand09 wrote:pepe1991 wrote:j-ragg wrote:I know you like to troll the Euro fans on here a lot but I think Fournier could be a 3rd option starter on a team like the Lakers. He'd get exposed defensively but would bring them something off the dribble they don't really have at that spot. I don't think Vuc could be a starter on a contender team though. Requires too much usage and doesn't provide enough with it. Maybe a Kanter like role if it ever happens would be good.
Contenders starting Cs:
Ivica Zubac
Javale Mcgee
Brook Lopez
Daniel Theis
those are best 4 teams in nba and true contenders with most objective chances to win it all
Spoiler alert, non of them is better than Vučević.
Vučević would have no issue contributing on great team, he would have lot of missmatches and post assists and screen assists. Despite having crappy point guards whole his career he is still one of best screen assist guys in whole league. But hey, haters gonna hate. Trolls gonna troll..
Evan is pretty much same type of player Tobias Harris is.
Kanter is elite offensive big that can't defend to save his life. Vučević is still one of better Magic defenders.
Non of this is really debatable, and all of it is factual. Vučević is only Magic player since Dwight who can have " crappy 18 ppg, 12 rpg, 3 apg -23 PER " season. When somebody else puts that stats ( and is probably from 'Murica ) this place will bust their nuts on him on regular bases.
He woudnt start in Boston & i'm not sure he fits what the Lakers wanna do too. Theis is a worlds better defender than Vuc. Most important is, he's a much much much much more mobile defender, which is so important for Bostons defensive schemes.
But reality is no contender would trade for him on that contract. He isnt good enough for the money he makes for a contender. Contender doesnt have money & there money is invested in real difference makers. Sure Vuc would make some of them better when those teams have unlimited capspace, but this isnt the case. His player type on that contract isnt something contenders need. Low eff. offensive Centers with mediocre defense on 25 Mio isnt a building block for a championship. The Center position isnt valued really high in general, they fill it with cheap but effective role players. Vuc is the anti thesis of a Contending team player tbh. On half the money he would be highly valued by those teams, but not on his current. So it doesnt matter if he is better than Lopez & co, when those players only earn 20-50% of his money.
Just as a example. Vuc is better than Lopez but he would play almost the same role there but for double the money for a slight upgrade. Thats not a winning formula.
Obviously don't agree about first paragraph about Thies.
Already elaborated why " too expensive for contenders" isn't true in post in previous page.
Already pointed out and named players who make s*** loud of money and don't contribute much to their teams.
So i won't repeat myself. Those are fan-myths to talk down on Magic best player, not facts and pretty biased opinions.
Same fan myths that in 2017 that were exited about Ibaka and Biyombo "because of rim protection". Called both moves idiotic on spot. Both players, just like it's case with starting Celtics C scrub, were in perfect positions on teams that had s*** loud of talent around them and where they did not need to do anything outside of their comfort zone. In Ibaka's case it was 3 layups (dunks), 7 shots around 15 feeet, for Biyombo it was point blank dunks , twice a game.
Reaching point where fanbase is acting like some Celtics 27 years old scrub is better defender than Vučević "because he is more mobile" is actually pretty sad.
Same Celtics structure over time made guys like Jae Crowder, Bradley, Amir Johnson, Jonas Jerebko, Greg Monroe look like great role players. Spoiler alert: non of them actually was good. Just played within the role they were told and excelled at it. And as everything else, i already elaborated why playing with good team, with structure it's way easier than playing on team that does not have superior talent around, so once again, i won't repeat myself. Everything was already told.
Lopez isn't slightly but much worst player than vučević. You probably don't pay attention (neither did I until i did research) but Lopez is having worst season of his nba career. He is actually huge liability on offense this year. Has negative ORPM on team that will win 65 games. That's almost unheard of.
If you didn't brought Daniel Theis i wouldn't even reply. But f*** Daniel Theis as good defender? My God.
Brose Bamberg backup for my countryman Leon Radosevic in 2017 on team that was 4th worst team in Euroleage. Give me a f*** break. I saw that man play basketball way before NBA , if he is on 29 other teams he would be alerady in China.
BUT on team that has 4 potential allstars lined up in front of him , it doesn't matter who center is. Could have been Kevin Mchale,Bill Russell, your dog, my cat, your grandmom... irrelevant.
