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Post#21 » by drsd » Sun Feb 9, 2020 11:51 am

zaymon wrote:I think Clark played better than Iwundu so far. Maybe we will assemble some kind of a bench for next season.
Fultz/Fournier/Okeke/Isaac/Vucevic
MCW, Ross, Aminu, Bamba+ (Dj, Clark and Ennis)?
Hmm i wonder what will happen with Dj and Ennis. This bench doesnt seem balanced.


I agree that Clark has played better off of the bench that Iwundu as a starter. But when Wesley Deshawn has been part of the second unit, he has excelled.

p.s. I am just glad that neither will start moving forward. No pun intended.


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Post#22 » by BlueBalls » Sun Feb 9, 2020 2:31 pm

Go. Get. BENDER. No reason not to.
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Post#23 » by BCS » Sun Feb 9, 2020 3:38 pm

BlueBalls wrote:Go. Get. BENDER. No reason not to.

I agree. But who are we waiving now...Frazier? Clark was the odd man out but we go and sign him for the remainder of the year.
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Post#24 » by The Real Dalic » Sun Feb 9, 2020 10:32 pm

Dion Waiters has officially been bought out.

There are some okay to decent bench pieces floating around out there if the Magic want them. Unfortunately, I think this is the team we're getting for the rest of the season. No reason we couldn't waive Frazer, but we probably won't.
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Post#25 » by BlueBalls » Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:23 pm

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BlueBalls wrote:Go. Get. BENDER. No reason not to.

I agree. But who are we waiving now...Frazier? Clark was the odd man out but we go and sign him for the remainder of the year.
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Frazier. Or freaking toss Clark out on his head. Neither one are worth the paper on which they signed their contracts. Bender has upside and could be ideal here.
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Post#26 » by Knightro » Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:00 pm

Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.
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Post#27 » by Bensational » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:36 pm

Knightro wrote:Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.


What happened to him? He was a European prodigy when he was drafted and supposed to be Doncic before Doncic (although Doncic was already being talked about then, too). I'm surprised he hasnt been able to find some kind of small role.

Mirotic was a similar case. Had apparently dominated in Europe but it didn't translate.
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Post#28 » by pepe1991 » Mon Feb 10, 2020 4:45 pm

Bensational wrote:
Knightro wrote:Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.


What happened to him? He was a European prodigy when he was drafted and supposed to be Doncic before Doncic (although Doncic was already being talked about then, too). I'm surprised he hasnt been able to find some kind of small role.

Mirotic was a similar case. Had apparently dominated in Europe but it didn't translate.


Bender was third string C in Euroleague that never played.
What happend with him? Clear case of agent wanting cash in by skipping stages. Should have stayed longer in Croatia, should have stayed longer in Europe, should have arive in NBA with more developed body.
But if he did all that agent would not be 100% sure that he would collect guaranteed $11 000 000 .
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Post#29 » by BlueBalls » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:09 pm

Knightro wrote:Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.


Upside is always a hypothetical.

It's also something that Frazier, Clark, Ennis, etc lack.
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Post#30 » by zaymon » Mon Feb 10, 2020 5:19 pm

BlueBalls wrote:
Knightro wrote:Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.


Upside is always a hypothetical.

It's also something that Frazier, Clark, Ennis, etc lack.

It depends how you define upside ? Clark upside is propaly good rotation player (good defender, and not a bad shooter). Ennis showed he can play minutes in the playoffs, and he is a wing, thats valueable (more now than ever). We really dont know what we have in Frazier, but i wouldnt rule out his upside. He is long, athletic and showed some skill. He also was injured all summer.
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Post#31 » by Xatticus » Mon Feb 10, 2020 10:57 pm

Bensational wrote:
Knightro wrote:Quite literally Bender's only upside is the fact he's still 22.

He's played 3560 NBA minutes (for comparison, that's slightly more than Isaac has played and almost 3 times as many minutes as Bamba has played) and been god awful in all of those minutes.

He's just not a good player. Any upside remaining there is hypothetical only.


What happened to him? He was a European prodigy when he was drafted and supposed to be Doncic before Doncic (although Doncic was already being talked about then, too). I'm surprised he hasnt been able to find some kind of small role.

Mirotic was a similar case. Had apparently dominated in Europe but it didn't translate.


Doncic was very accomplished before he entered the draft. Bender wasn't.

https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/dragan-bender-1.html

He had a limited role off the bench on a lower tier EuroLeague club and he hadn't done anything with the minutes he was given.

I'm not sure that Bender really does anything well. He has decent mobility for his size, but it's really just straight-line stuff. He can get up and down the court in transition, but he isn't a fluid athlete and he doesn't jump. He is a decent shooter and might be useful as a floor-stretching five, but he isn't a five. He doesn't have plus size as a five and he doesn't have the physicality for it, so his usefulness in that role is limited. I think there is an assumption among those clamoring for us to sign him that there is some underlying potential there because he was the 4th overall pick, but I don't see it.

I tend to think that teams take stabs at foreign players when they aren't enamored with their other options. The unknown seems more attractive when the known options aren't appealing. There just seems to be a much higher standard for productivity from collegiate prospects. How does a guy that averaged 7 points per 36 minutes on poor efficiency in 7 EuroLeague games get taken 4th overall in the draft? Hezonja had a far better resume than Bender.
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