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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#841 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:18 pm

Buckets are the oxygen of the NBA. You gotta have it to keep everything going. I'd do just about anything to get someone who can give me buckets nightly.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#842 » by Magic_Johnny12 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:32 pm

Lavine will bring an excitement similar to the T-Mac signing.

Probably, would be our most explosive scorer since T-Mac tbh.
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Post#843 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 5:45 pm

rcklsscognition wrote:Buckets are the oxygen of the NBA. You gotta have it to keep everything going. I'd do just about anything to get someone who can give me buckets nightly.

The team that scores the most usually wins
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#844 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:31 pm

Again, I’m not a big fan of Zach Lavine. But if and when Isaac is healthy and guys like Fultz, Bamba and Chuma develop then we might have the right roster for Lavine to do his thing in a winning environment.
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Post#845 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 6:38 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:Again, I’m not a big fan of Zach Lavine. But if and when Isaac is healthy and guys like Fultz, Bamba and Chuma develop then we might have the right roster for Lavine to do his thing in a winning environment.

Here's the truth about him: he's a rich man's JR Smith. That is scary but he gets buckets :lol:
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#846 » by zaymon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:00 pm

Personally i dont get the Lavine over Fournier arguments.

Lavine (6'6, 181lb) Fournier (6'7, 205 lb)

Points per game----------- 25.5 ---- 18.8
Usage %--------------------- 31.7 ---- 24.2
Assists/ turnovers--------- 4.2/3.4 ---- 3.2/2.0
Passes made--------------- 39.4 ---- 25.3
Pick and roll ball handler: 0.89 ppp ---- 0.95 ppp
Transition------------------- 1.18 ppp ---- 1.20 ppp
Spot up---------------------- 0.95 ppp ---- 1.17 ppp
Off Screen------------------- 0.98 ppp ---- 1.10 ppp
Hand off--------------------- 0.96 ppp ---- 1.02 ppp
Drive fg%-------------------- 45.4 ---- 50.4
Pull up fg%------------------ 35.0 ---- 41.4
FTrate----------------------- 0.279 ---- 0.236

So basically case for Lavine is volume, ball moving and free throw rate. Case for Fournier is size, passing, decision making, ball handling, shooting, shot creation, finishing.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#847 » by NotACat » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:03 pm

zaymon wrote:Personally i dont get the Lavine over Fournier arguments.

Lavine (6'6, 181lb) Fournier (6'7, 205 lb)

Points per game----------- 25.5 ---- 18.8
Usage %--------------------- 31.7 ---- 24.2
Assists/ turnovers--------- 4.2/3.4 ---- 3.2/2.0
Passes made--------------- 39.4 ---- 25.3
Pick and roll ball handler: 0.89 ppp ---- 0.95 ppp
Transition------------------- 1.18 ppp ---- 1.20 ppp
Spot up---------------------- 0.95 ppp ---- 1.17 ppp
Off Screen------------------- 0.98 ppp ---- 1.10 ppp
Hand off--------------------- 0.96 ppp ---- 1.02 ppp
Drive fg%-------------------- 45.4 ---- 50.4
Pull up fg%------------------ 35.0 ---- 41.4
FTrate----------------------- 0.279 ---- 0.236

So basically case for Lavine is volume, ball moving and free throw rate. Case for Fournier is size, passing, decision making, ball handling, shooting, shot creation, finishing.

Unrelated, but where are you getting the ppp stats?
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#848 » by Knightro » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:05 pm

In LaVine's 6 year career, his teams have won 16, 29, 31, 27, 22 and 22 games.

He's a talented player, but man. The case could be made that he's never played a meaningful game of basketball in his professional career.

I'm always a little weary about guys who have done nothing but lose big their entire careers.
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Post#849 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:07 pm

zaymon wrote:Personally i dont get the Lavine over Fournier arguments.

Lavine (6'6, 181lb) Fournier (6'7, 205 lb)

Points per game----------- 25.5 ---- 18.8
Usage %--------------------- 31.7 ---- 24.2
Assists/ turnovers--------- 4.2/3.4 ---- 3.2/2.0
Passes made--------------- 39.4 ---- 25.3
Pick and roll ball handler: 0.89 ppp ---- 0.95 ppp
Transition------------------- 1.18 ppp ---- 1.20 ppp
Spot up---------------------- 0.95 ppp ---- 1.17 ppp
Off Screen------------------- 0.98 ppp ---- 1.10 ppp
Hand off--------------------- 0.96 ppp ---- 1.02 ppp
Drive fg%-------------------- 45.4 ---- 50.4
Pull up fg%------------------ 35.0 ---- 41.4
FTrate----------------------- 0.279 ---- 0.236

So basically case for Lavine is volume, ball moving and free throw rate. Case for Fournier is size, passing, decision making, ball handling, shooting, shot creation, finishing.


Why can't we have both and have Evan and Ross off the bench? Trade AG and fillers for him to make the roster more balanced?
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Post#850 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:09 pm

Knightro wrote:In LaVine's 6 year career, his teams have won 16, 29, 31, 27, 22 and 22 games.

He's a talented player, but man. The case could be made that he's never played a meaningful game of basketball in his professional career.

I'm always a little weary about guys who have done nothing but lose big their entire careers.

Very true but he was an afterthought at the terribly run Wolves and is now on a terrible Bulls team. He's definitely not a 30ppg scorer on a winner but he's good enough to be a 22ppg guy.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#851 » by Xatticus » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:22 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Again, I’m not a big fan of Zach Lavine. But if and when Isaac is healthy and guys like Fultz, Bamba and Chuma develop then we might have the right roster for Lavine to do his thing in a winning environment.

Here's the truth about him: he's a rich man's JR Smith. That is scary but he gets buckets :lol:


That’s about it. I’d argue he has an even lower IQ than JR Smith. He does more to harm you than to help you. You can score 25 points per game and still suck. That’s Zach LaVine. His contract isn’t obscene, but I still wouldn’t want to pay it.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#852 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:24 pm

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MagicFan101 wrote:Again, I’m not a big fan of Zach Lavine. But if and when Isaac is healthy and guys like Fultz, Bamba and Chuma develop then we might have the right roster for Lavine to do his thing in a winning environment.

Here's the truth about him: he's a rich man's JR Smith. That is scary but he gets buckets :lol:


That’s about it. I’d argue he has an even lower IQ than JR Smith. He does more to harm you then to help you. You can score 25 points per game and still suck. That’s Zach LaVine. His contract isn’t obscene, but I still wouldn’t want to pay it.

I would do it just to shake up this roster but wouldn't give up the farm for him. I can respect those that would be against it. I wouldn't guarantee that it would work.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#853 » by zaymon » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:25 pm

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zaymon wrote:Personally i dont get the Lavine over Fournier arguments.

Lavine (6'6, 181lb) Fournier (6'7, 205 lb)

Points per game----------- 25.5 ---- 18.8
Usage %--------------------- 31.7 ---- 24.2
Assists/ turnovers--------- 4.2/3.4 ---- 3.2/2.0
Passes made--------------- 39.4 ---- 25.3
Pick and roll ball handler: 0.89 ppp ---- 0.95 ppp
Transition------------------- 1.18 ppp ---- 1.20 ppp
Spot up---------------------- 0.95 ppp ---- 1.17 ppp
Off Screen------------------- 0.98 ppp ---- 1.10 ppp
Hand off--------------------- 0.96 ppp ---- 1.02 ppp
Drive fg%-------------------- 45.4 ---- 50.4
Pull up fg%------------------ 35.0 ---- 41.4
FTrate----------------------- 0.279 ---- 0.236

So basically case for Lavine is volume, ball moving and free throw rate. Case for Fournier is size, passing, decision making, ball handling, shooting, shot creation, finishing.


Why can't we have both and have Evan and Ross off the bench? Trade AG and fillers for him to make the roster more balanced?

I dont think it matches with Weltman team construction strategy. None of them can stop bigger players on switches under the rim. I would much rather give those minutes to Okeke who projects as a capable rim protector on the wing (much cheaper) and trade Gordon for someone else.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#854 » by thelead » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:37 pm

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zaymon wrote:Personally i dont get the Lavine over Fournier arguments.

Lavine (6'6, 181lb) Fournier (6'7, 205 lb)

Points per game----------- 25.5 ---- 18.8
Usage %--------------------- 31.7 ---- 24.2
Assists/ turnovers--------- 4.2/3.4 ---- 3.2/2.0
Passes made--------------- 39.4 ---- 25.3
Pick and roll ball handler: 0.89 ppp ---- 0.95 ppp
Transition------------------- 1.18 ppp ---- 1.20 ppp
Spot up---------------------- 0.95 ppp ---- 1.17 ppp
Off Screen------------------- 0.98 ppp ---- 1.10 ppp
Hand off--------------------- 0.96 ppp ---- 1.02 ppp
Drive fg%-------------------- 45.4 ---- 50.4
Pull up fg%------------------ 35.0 ---- 41.4
FTrate----------------------- 0.279 ---- 0.236

So basically case for Lavine is volume, ball moving and free throw rate. Case for Fournier is size, passing, decision making, ball handling, shooting, shot creation, finishing.


Why can't we have both and have Evan and Ross off the bench? Trade AG and fillers for him to make the roster more balanced?

I dont think it matches with Weltman team construction strategy. None of them can stop bigger players on switches under the rim. I would much rather give those minutes to Okeke who projects as a capable rim protector on the wing (much cheaper) and trade Gordon for someone else.


In my scenario, the starting lineup would be:

Fultz
LaVine
Chuma
JI
Vuc

with the bench being:

DJ
Ross
Evan
Ennis
Bamba

Obviously we would need a few upgrades here and there but at least that would change the dynamics of this team and move away from Hennigans team even further. I wouldn't be opposed to looking for another option. The only reason why we're discussing LaVine is because he's apparently tired of Chicago.
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Re: Official Speculation Thread '19-'20 V: Purgatory 

Post#855 » by rcklsscognition » Thu Jul 30, 2020 8:56 pm

It certainly appears we have a defensive player of the year type of player in Isaac. We have to leverage that to get scoring. JI is so good at defense he can cover for a guard who isn't, allowing us to go all in on an offense only minded player. Ideally, you find a star who can do both, but I think in our case, we take what we can get and go for a volume scorer balanced on then other end by a DPOY.
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Post#856 » by Driguez » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:02 pm

So tomorrows game is at 2:30 ET!? :upset: :sigh: Here I was thinking of watching the game with a few beers....
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Post#857 » by The Effect » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:09 pm

If we could somehow trade bamba+15\16 for levine, god where do i sign up. Not that im the biggest Lavine fan or anything, but hes exactly what this team needs. An alpha attitude player who can PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET!
He would literally be one of only 2 guys on the team you could give the ball to and tell them to get to the basket on their own, and feel confident they could do it (fultz obviously being the other). He can also shoot the 3. Again, where do i sign up

Sadly bamba+1st rounder this year wont be nearly enough, so realistically it would likely be AG for ZL. I would rather keep AG, but it seems like WeHam are deadset on trading him, and Lavine is def the best scorer we could get for him. The only other scenario would be AG for Oubre, who i also like, but if both are on the table, i think i like lavines scoring ability more than what i think oubre brings to the table
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Post#858 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:10 pm

Driguez wrote:So tomorrows game is at 2:30 ET!? :upset: :sigh: Here I was thinking of watching the game with a few beers....



We live in a WFH world my friend!

... watch the game over a few beers! ;)
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Post#859 » by The Effect » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 pm

Driguez wrote:So tomorrows game is at 2:30 ET!? :upset: :sigh: Here I was thinking of watching the game with a few beers....

2:30pm is bad enough, but try being here on the west coast, im not even gonna be on my lunch break by the time the game starts :banghead:
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Post#860 » by Howard Mass » Thu Jul 30, 2020 9:11 pm

I'd like to see something worked out maybe a three-way deal where Buddy Hield comes back for Aaron Gordon.
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