Stay the course or rebuild now

[thelead]

At this point, what do you all prefer? IMO, Fultz and Isaac are the only ‘should keep’ members of this team. I like AG and still want to see what Bamba can do but would move them for the right deal. I would trade Clifford for Atkinson in a second. I don’t think we can move Vuc without losing a ton of ‘value’ so we’re probably stuck with him for now.

[thelead]

I voted for major trades and coach change but I would only get rid of Clifford if they’re looking to hire a quality guy like Atkinson.

[MagicFan101]

We have probably lost Isaac for most if not all of next season. We have Chuma coming in and we still need to see returns on Bamba.

It’s time to hand to keys to Fultz, go trial by fire for these young guys and sell off Evan and Gordon for whatever we can get ... preferably future picks / young prospects.

Rebuild and tank harder than ever under the umbrella of the Isaac injury.

** yes, we still have Vuc. Bamba doesn’t have to start but there is room for him to get 18-20 minutes per over the course of the season.

[PrimeThyme]

I vote for a rebuild that includes replacing Weham as well. Sadly, I'm sure Martins and Ownership are more than happy with the results they've seen over the last 2 years. They know it doesn't take much to get a fanbase interested. All it took was a 5 game win streak (while still being 4 games under .500) and much of the fanbase were singing the praises of this team.

I never bought in and still don't. This entire thing needs to be torn down and I do think that it inevitably will be. Though we may have to sadly wait a while and dwell in NBA purgatory until it does.

[Knightro]

Full rebuild is the obvious choice.

But frankly I don't think ownership has the stomach for it.

[SOUL]

The average Magic fan and occasional RealGM poster does not have the stomach for a full rebuild. It was obvious during our rebuilding days (that we half-assed and didn't see through), and it's obvious with how people react/judge/don't want certain processes for our young players that most other teams do. Being a 7th-8th seed in a bad East with no ceiling is palatable to some people because playoffs is a shiny, fun word even though there is a clear ceiling on this team that we are pretty close to when fully healthy.

Rebuild. Maybe not tear it down, but we need to go in a different direction. Everybody is available, it's not just directed at the "vets", but man, some of you guys really have to start admitting that no matter how much we shuffle the deck, we just don't have a team that is built for winning. The only person untouchable to me is Isaac (even with his injuries) as I think he's the sort of uber 3&D player that is what you need on defense and I still think his offense will grow in the future.. just injuries may take away his true potential.

[rcklsscognition]

The front office will not go into their 5th year without an extension so they've got one more year to do something or they're gone. I think they need to make a big move this off-season.

[OrlandoNed]

There are 4 too many options on the poll.

Just too hard to care anymore about this franchise until a nuclear, from-the-ground-up rebuild happens. We will never reach relevancy until EVERYTHING is replaced: roster, coaches, management, ownership.

[Knightro]

There are 4 too many options on the poll.

Just too hard to care anymore about this franchise until a true rebuild begins. Too much bad luck and bad decision-making to hope for otherwise.

Rebuilding is the right choice, but at the same time we can't pretend A. it's guaranteed to succeed and B. isn't really friggin long and soul crushingly brutal.

What SOUL said absolutely rings true. If rebuilding is the route they choose to go, this place will once again turn into a ghost town and the fan base will become apathetic again.

They'll have to get extremely lucky to pull themselves out of the malaise. It may take years.

It's easy to say you're willing to sit through 2, 3 even 4 years of completely non-competitive basketball, but it certainly isn't easy to actually do it.

There's no fast forward button.

[bigdogdylan5]

I vote for a rebuild that includes replacing Weham as well. Sadly, I'm sure Martins and Ownership are more than happy with the results they've seen over the last 2 years. They know it doesn't take much to get a fanbase interested. All it took was a 5 game win streak (while still being 4 games under .500) and much of the fanbase were singing the praises of this team.

I never bought in and still don't. This entire thing needs to be torn down and I do think that it inevitably will be. Though we may have to sadly wait a while and dwell in NBA purgatory until it does.

I don’t get this take. I trust WeHam, that being said I hope they make moves.
Vuc needs to go, I am tired of watching him and act like he cares about winning but really only cares about his stats. You need to find out if Bamba is a bust or not. If Fournier opts in, great. We trade him off of his best season to date, someone will give us something with a 40% three point shooter and the illusion of scoring. If he opts out, just let him walk. If we resign him I will riot. Gordon I am undecided on, all depends on what we can get. If team really believes in a draft prospect than trade him to GS or for a high potential guard. Fultz needs to start and given Fournier usage at least. Augustine is a decent PG off the bench but not a starter. I would also try to move off of TRoss while he has value.

[OrlandoNed]

There are 4 too many options on the poll.

Just too hard to care anymore about this franchise until a true rebuild begins. Too much bad luck and bad decision-making to hope for otherwise.

Rebuilding is the right choice, but at the same time we can't pretend A. it's guaranteed to succeed and B. isn't really friggin long and soul crushingly brutal

What SOUL said absolutely rings true. If rebuilding is the route they choose to go, this place will once again turn into a ghost town and the fan base will become apathetic again.

They'll have to get extremely lucky to pull themselves out of the malaise. It may take years.

It's easy to say you're willing to sit through 2, 3 even 4 years of completely non-competitive basketball, but it certainly isn't easy to actually do it.

There's no fast forward button.

You know what's guaranteed to succeed? Not what we are currently doing.

You know what has been long and soul crushing? The original rebuild that began in 2012. Eight years ago.

You know what's apathetic right now? This fanbase.

I"m as patient as anybody on the board. I don't care how long it takes. I only care about it getting done right.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit contentious.

[Husky1]

Total rebuild is the obvious choice. There is no other option. The product at the moment is an embarrassment. I like Cliff, but he's not the coach for a rebuild. He goes too, personally I would get rid of Weham as well. I cannot for the life of me stomach one more season of Vooch and Evan. I'd only trade AG for a good draft haul. Get what we can for Ross. He is a team killer. Throw Bamba to the wolves next year, start with Bamba, AG, Okeke, Iwundu, Fultz. Plus our first rounder and what ever picks the others get us. Hopefully we nab Cunningham in the bumper 2021 draft. Add him and a healthy Isaac in two years to that youth and were away. I see no other way. Im glad most on here feel the same. We need Evan, Vooch and Ross as far away from this roster as possible.

[Knightro]

You know what's guaranteed to succeed? Not what we are currently doing.

You know what has been long and soul crushing? The original rebuild that began in 2012. Eight years ago.

You know what's apathetic right now? This fanbase.

I"m as patient as anybody on the board. I don't care how long it takes. I only care about it getting done right.

Sorry if I'm coming off as a bit contentious.

No reason to be sorry.

Again, I don't disagree with anything you're saying.

But it's just one of those things. Rebuilding is just not fun at all unless you get really lucky and land a true franchise player relatively early in the process.

If you don't and you have to go multiple seasons where you KNOW the team is not only going to lose almost every night, but also not really even be competitive on a night-to-night basis, it's just hard to deal with.

[RookieStar]

Is there even a good quality coqchin the market right now? Unless SVG is willing to give it a go again, I dont see anyone the ownership would.like to give the reins to.

[Husky1]

I wouldn't even call it a rebuild. More so a Reset, I mean i bet we wouldn't be much worse than what we are now if we got rid of Evan, Vooch and Ross. We would at least get the minutes/reps into the younger players and see what we got. It would be a hell of a lot more fun to watch than this. We will still have a decent young core to add to. This young core is not gonna improve whilst Cliff continually draws up plays for the above few.

[thelead]

I would like to see (realistic) wholesale changes but even 4 moves would make a world of a difference. This is to appeal to those 'anti-tankers' out there.

Swap Clifford out for Atkinson
Vuc for LaVine and filler
Evan for a pg like Tyus Jones to replace DJ
Sign a replacement center like Dwight Howard for the MLE until Bamba is ready

Atkinson leading this team would at least be a different look/style:

Dwight/Bamba
AG/Ennis/Aminu
JI/Okeke
LaVine/Draft Pick
Fultz/Jones

Is that team better than what we have today? Yes. The reality is that without JI, if we make minor moves, this team is destined for the lotto next year as the east should be stronger. Washington and even Atlanta will likely be better than us next year anyway. It's time to switch things up.

Another thing we need to do is be much more fiscally responsible. We are in no position to sign anyone halfway decent because we're FOURTH in spending this year. Can you image our outlook if we actually had cap space to add a 20-30 mil caliber player. I don't think as many people would be complaining today. Regardless of which option they go with, ownership needs to BLOW IT UP!

[thelead]

Is there even a good quality coqchin the market right now? Unless SVG is willing to give it a go again, I dont see anyone the ownership would.like to give the reins to.

Atkinson was fired likely because the new cupcake superstars didn't like him but he did wonders for the nets when they had nothing to work with.

[RookieStar]

I might be the unpopular voice here but keep Fultz, MCW, JI, Okeke, AG and Vuc to keep the continuity... trade the rest for some scoring punch in the 2/3 spot.

[RookieStar]

Is there even a good quality coqchin the market right now? Unless SVG is willing to give it a go again, I dont see anyone the ownership would.like to give the reins to.

Atkinson was fired likely because the new cupcake superstars didn't like him but he did wonders for the nets when they had nothing to work with.

I must have missed it but when did they get rid of him? What was the *official* reason why and what were some.notable gameplans he had?

In Cliff the league knows its Euro buddy-ball and the TRoss special usually.

[thelead]

Is there even a good quality coqchin the market right now? Unless SVG is willing to give it a go again, I dont see anyone the ownership would.like to give the reins to.

Atkinson was fired likely because the new cupcake superstars didn't like him but he did wonders for the nets when they had nothing to work with.

I must have missed it but when did they get rid of him? What was the *official* reason why and what were some.notable gameplans he had?

In Cliff the league knows its Euro buddy-ball and the TRoss special usually.

They 'amicably' split in March I believe but rumors are some of the players wanted him gone... never heard that until Kyrie, DeAndre Jordan and Durant joined the team.