MoMM wrote: Skin wrote:
Vuc would make a list of top 3 Knicks players in last decade ( maybe 2 decades, i'm not willing to put myself through pain of googling Knicks rosters).
Vuc is elite player. Fans here don't respect him because, reasons. Don't even want to go too deep why. I don't care.
But he is only Magic allstar that didn't took first option to run away from a team.
Not his fault team never ever menaged to find anybody good with him, nor better than him.
Not comparing him with KG, but it was same thing, KG lost in first round 7 times in a row, ( swept in 4 i belive) because T wolves simply could never find second solid player to make team anything more than borderline average.
Evan is role player, payed as role player, and much like Gordon, is having big usage as team has no better options. Once again, GM fault, not his.
Vuc is elite if he can bring back an elite return. Therefore, not elite.
No team is winning based off a Center based offense. It's prehistoric. We're doing it all wrong.
Vuc signed with the best deal he could take + why would he give up the only gig in the league where the team is centered around him?
GM failures we can agree on. Henny's guys should've been long gone by now.
Jokic is not an exception because while his passing is fantastic, the real reason why his team is a contender with him at Center is because he provides defense.
"Jokic’s +3.03 Defensive Real Plus-Minus and his +1.17 Defensive Player Impact Plus-Minus place the Serbian center near the top of the NBA in both categories."https://www.denverstiffs.com/2020/2/10/21131100/stat-of-the-week-nikola-jokic-defensive-impact-nba-rim-protectors-are-overrated
This article goes on a defensive study of Centers. Vuc no where to be found....
Here’s how other rim protectors stack up preventing shots at the rim when they are on the floor:
Joel Embiid - 100th percentile (Minus-7.9 percent)
Bam Adebayo - 98th percentile (Minus-5.5 percent)
Draymond Green - 95th percentile (Minus-4.7 percent)
Kristaps Porzingis - 95th percentile (Minus-4.5 percent)
Nikola Jokic - 93rd percentile (Minus-3.9 percent)
Rudy Gobert - 92nd percentile (Minus-3.8 percent)
Hassan Whiteside - 92nd percentile (Minus-3.6 percent)
Marc Gasol - 88th percentile (Minus-3.2 percent)
Brook Lopez - 75th percentile (Minus-1.8 percent)
Another area where Jokic shines defensively: defending without fouling and allowing free throws. Here’s that same group of rim protectors measured by their opponent free throw rate when the player is on the floor versus off it:
Joel Embiid - 85th percentile (Minus-2.5 percent)
Bam Adebayo - 70th percentile (Minus-1.4 percent)
Draymond Green - 24th percentile (Plus-2.1 percent)
Kristaps Porzingis - 58th percentile (Minus-0.6 percent)
Nikola Jokic - 82nd percentile (Minus-2.2 percent)
Rudy Gobert - 99th percentile (Minus-6.3 percent)
Hassan Whiteside - 91st percentile (Minus-3.1 percent)
Marc Gasol - 100th percentile (Minus-6.4 percent)
Brook Lopez - 96th percentile (Minus-4.6 percent)
Finally, turnovers. How great are these rim protectors at forcing the opposition into turnovers while on the floor?
Joel Embiid - 23rd percentile (Minus-1.1 percent)
Bam Adebayo - 21st percentile (Minus-1.1 percent)
Draymond Green - 42nd percentile (Minus-0.2 percent)
Kristaps Porzingis - 47th percentile (Minus-0.1 percent)
Nikola Jokic - 85th percentile (Plus-1.7 percent)
Rudy Gobert - 67th percentile (Plus-0.6 percent)
Hassan Whiteside - 42nd percentile (Minus-0.2 percent)
Marc Gasol - 83rd percentile (Plus-1.6 percent)
Brook Lopez - 30th percentile (Minus-0.7 percent)
Fultz, _____, Okeke, Isaac, Bamba. LET'S GO!