Re: Aaron Gordon - In or Out?
Posted: Mon Oct 5, 2020 8:38 pm
Totally agree, xatticus.
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NW wrote:Getting the number 2 pick for Gordon without giving up at least the 15 or eating Wiggins contract? As a Warriors fan, could you at least take our front office out to dinner first before screwing them?
Rainwater wrote:NW wrote:Getting the number 2 pick for Gordon without giving up at least the 15 or eating Wiggins contract? As a Warriors fan, could you at least take our front office out to dinner first before screwing them?
Yeah, completely agree with this post. Just don't see how GSW makes this trade without Orlando adding or taking a lot more.
MagicMatic wrote:Rainwater wrote:NW wrote:Getting the number 2 pick for Gordon without giving up at least the 15 or eating Wiggins contract? As a Warriors fan, could you at least take our front office out to dinner first before screwing them?
Yeah, completely agree with this post. Just don't see how GSW makes this trade without Orlando adding or taking a lot more.
AG is likely our highest valued asset outside of Isaac, regardless of what he provides us on the court. Trading him and #15 for the #2 in this draft, with no returning player of value, is a risk WeHam wouldn’t take.
MagicMatic wrote:Rainwater wrote:NW wrote:Getting the number 2 pick for Gordon without giving up at least the 15 or eating Wiggins contract? As a Warriors fan, could you at least take our front office out to dinner first before screwing them?
Yeah, completely agree with this post. Just don't see how GSW makes this trade without Orlando adding or taking a lot more.
AG is likely our highest valued asset outside of Isaac, regardless of what he provides us on the court. Trading him and #15 for the #2 in this draft, with no returning player of value, is a risk WeHam wouldn’t take.
Bensational wrote:Clifford's comments on Gordon in the last Magic Pod Squad was nice to hear (AG talk around the 17 minute mark).
Summary:
- Post ASB and pre-stoppage, Clifford thought Gordon was playing the best basketball of his career. Rattled off his numbers, 9 rebounds, shooting 48% and 35%, but was emphatically impressed with his 6.7apg.
- Said part of it was increased transition and Gordon being a part of getting out and pushing those breaks more.
- Considers AG (and Vuc) the reason why the team was able to be good offensively against zone defenses, with their playmaking ability from inside and outside.
- Thinks AG can improve if he focuses more on using his power in post ups, instead of turnaround jumpers.
- Thinks the game will be completely different for AG if he can get up to 37-38% from 3.
Post ASB Gordon was really working at another level in terms of IQ and playing within the team. I'm much more inclined to keep him rather than trade him. Not because I think he's about to unlock untapped star level talent, but because I think he can and will be a central piece to a winning team in the near future. The Iggy/Draymond/Smart kind of guy.
Is that player worth keeping when we don't have a Curry/Klay/Tatum/Brown calibre player to go with him? Generally I'd say no, but I think we have more to gain by moving other players to see if they can return that star player instead. I would rather have Gordon + prospect than Fournier + prospect, or Bamba + prospect for example.
This just feels like the worst time to be considering trading him, if he's finally settling into the best version of his game. I'd rather keep him and see if his play does go up or not. I don't think his trade value will drop, and if his play improves it will only make it better.
I got the feeling from that interview with Clifford that the team's plan this offseason will be to add shooting. He specifically mentioned his offseason in Charlotte where they brought in Batum, Lin and Lee, and how their boost to perimeter performance (as well as further internal improvement from players) made a big difference for them. So I take that to mean we'll be scouring FA and trades for more guys like Ennis, and shooting depth.
I'm not counting on thatcedric76 wrote:Bensational wrote:Clifford's comments on Gordon in the last Magic Pod Squad was nice to hear (AG talk around the 17 minute mark).
Summary:
- Post ASB and pre-stoppage, Clifford thought Gordon was playing the best basketball of his career. Rattled off his numbers, 9 rebounds, shooting 48% and 35%, but was emphatically impressed with his 6.7apg.
- Said part of it was increased transition and Gordon being a part of getting out and pushing those breaks more.
- Considers AG (and Vuc) the reason why the team was able to be good offensively against zone defenses, with their playmaking ability from inside and outside.
- Thinks AG can improve if he focuses more on using his power in post ups, instead of turnaround jumpers.
- Thinks the game will be completely different for AG if he can get up to 37-38% from 3.
Post ASB Gordon was really working at another level in terms of IQ and playing within the team. I'm much more inclined to keep him rather than trade him. Not because I think he's about to unlock untapped star level talent, but because I think he can and will be a central piece to a winning team in the near future. The Iggy/Draymond/Smart kind of guy.
Is that player worth keeping when we don't have a Curry/Klay/Tatum/Brown calibre player to go with him? Generally I'd say no, but I think we have more to gain by moving other players to see if they can return that star player instead. I would rather have Gordon + prospect than Fournier + prospect, or Bamba + prospect for example.
This just feels like the worst time to be considering trading him, if he's finally settling into the best version of his game. I'd rather keep him and see if his play does go up or not. I don't think his trade value will drop, and if his play improves it will only make it better.
I got the feeling from that interview with Clifford that the team's plan this offseason will be to add shooting. He specifically mentioned his offseason in Charlotte where they brought in Batum, Lin and Lee, and how their boost to perimeter performance (as well as further internal improvement from players) made a big difference for them. So I take that to mean we'll be scouring FA and trades for more guys like Ennis, and shooting depth.
Once AG understands that he isn't Paul George and stop this **** turn around jumpers, he ll be very helpful to our team
KillMonger wrote:I'm not counting on thatcedric76 wrote:Bensational wrote:Clifford's comments on Gordon in the last Magic Pod Squad was nice to hear (AG talk around the 17 minute mark).
Summary:
- Post ASB and pre-stoppage, Clifford thought Gordon was playing the best basketball of his career. Rattled off his numbers, 9 rebounds, shooting 48% and 35%, but was emphatically impressed with his 6.7apg.
- Said part of it was increased transition and Gordon being a part of getting out and pushing those breaks more.
- Considers AG (and Vuc) the reason why the team was able to be good offensively against zone defenses, with their playmaking ability from inside and outside.
- Thinks AG can improve if he focuses more on using his power in post ups, instead of turnaround jumpers.
- Thinks the game will be completely different for AG if he can get up to 37-38% from 3.
Post ASB Gordon was really working at another level in terms of IQ and playing within the team. I'm much more inclined to keep him rather than trade him. Not because I think he's about to unlock untapped star level talent, but because I think he can and will be a central piece to a winning team in the near future. The Iggy/Draymond/Smart kind of guy.
Is that player worth keeping when we don't have a Curry/Klay/Tatum/Brown calibre player to go with him? Generally I'd say no, but I think we have more to gain by moving other players to see if they can return that star player instead. I would rather have Gordon + prospect than Fournier + prospect, or Bamba + prospect for example.
This just feels like the worst time to be considering trading him, if he's finally settling into the best version of his game. I'd rather keep him and see if his play does go up or not. I don't think his trade value will drop, and if his play improves it will only make it better.
I got the feeling from that interview with Clifford that the team's plan this offseason will be to add shooting. He specifically mentioned his offseason in Charlotte where they brought in Batum, Lin and Lee, and how their boost to perimeter performance (as well as further internal improvement from players) made a big difference for them. So I take that to mean we'll be scouring FA and trades for more guys like Ennis, and shooting depth.
Once AG understands that he isn't Paul George and stop this **** turn around jumpers, he ll be very helpful to our team
PrimeThyme wrote:If it was for a guard/forward with upside on a rookie deal you could certainly talk me into moving him. But what you couldn't talk me into doing is moving him for a veteran rental who would only benefit us in the short term.
Isaac's health has made AG much less moveable for me. Until I see Okeke on a basketball court he won't make me eager to move AG either.
We're in a pretty bad place right now. It would be a great time to strike gold with our draft pick this year but I don't really have any confidence that Weltman will pull that off.
KillMonger wrote:But it shouldn't for the front office.....JI got injured in January earlier this year with reports saying he was out for the year and the trade deadline was Feb.......Reports were AG was close to getting traded we just didn't get our asking price.....so injury didn't stop them from shopping and almost trading him then why would it now?
PrimeThyme wrote:KillMonger wrote:But it shouldn't for the front office.....JI got injured in January earlier this year with reports saying he was out for the year and the trade deadline was Feb.......Reports were AG was close to getting traded we just didn't get our asking price.....so injury didn't stop them from shopping and almost trading him then why would it now?
Isaac hadn't suffered another injury and torn his ACL in January. That's now another major injury he has suffered on top of the ankle and the original knee injury he suffered in December.
From what I've heard from people like Lowe, it's not like they have been holding a firesale on AG. It's going to take the right deal to move him, and I think Isaac's injury history has to at least factor into it somewhat. Even from a win-now perspective, which this FO clearly has, they can't feel as comfortable filling AG's spot with Aminu/Okeke as they would have been when they thought Isaac would be back next year. If this was a full rebuild, there would be no hesitation to move him, but, unfortunately, it's not. The FO has chosen this route and they now have to consider the short-term ramifications of trading AG without a healthy Isaac.
Again tho, I'm not saying that he shouldn't be moved if there is another forward/guard on the trade market with upside (or in a deal to move up in the draft), but I wouldn't be as eager to move him as I was in January before Isaac suffered another major injury.
It all depends on what you're getting back in a trade.
not sure where you’re hearing the oubre for ag deal, but based from what i read, it was the other way around. Ag alone wasnt enough for oubre. So they countered with some other deal.Bensational wrote:If they get their asking price on any player then I'm sure they're getting moved.
The big question is: 'what is the asking price?', followed by the question of how likely it is we get it.
Ie, sounds like Oubre alone wasn't enough to get AG from Phoenix. Is it Oubre + #10? Or Bridges + #10? Johnson + #10? More? How much more? Do they want a young prospect, or proven commodity? Hopefully this sort of goss leaks out over the next month in the lead up to the draft, but nobody cares about us so nobody will likely ask, lol.
fendilim wrote:not sure where you’re hearing the oubre for ag deal, but based from what i read, it was the other way around. Ag alone wasnt enough for oubre. So they countered with some other deal.Bensational wrote:If they get their asking price on any player then I'm sure they're getting moved.
The big question is: 'what is the asking price?', followed by the question of how likely it is we get it.
Ie, sounds like Oubre alone wasn't enough to get AG from Phoenix. Is it Oubre + #10? Or Bridges + #10? Johnson + #10? More? How much more? Do they want a young prospect, or proven commodity? Hopefully this sort of goss leaks out over the next month in the lead up to the draft, but nobody cares about us so nobody will likely ask, lol.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline
fendilim wrote:not sure where you’re hearing the oubre for ag deal, but based from what i read, it was the other way around. Ag alone wasnt enough for oubre. So they countered with some other deal.Bensational wrote:If they get their asking price on any player then I'm sure they're getting moved.
The big question is: 'what is the asking price?', followed by the question of how likely it is we get it.
Ie, sounds like Oubre alone wasn't enough to get AG from Phoenix. Is it Oubre + #10? Or Bridges + #10? Johnson + #10? More? How much more? Do they want a young prospect, or proven commodity? Hopefully this sort of goss leaks out over the next month in the lead up to the draft, but nobody cares about us so nobody will likely ask, lol.
https://www.brightsideofthesun.com/2020/3/6/21168248/suns-made-a-late-push-for-aaron-gordon-at-trade-deadline