pepe1991 wrote:UnFadeable21 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:
How do you know trading AG wouldn’t bring a somewhat decent return? I’ve already explained why teams would possibly be willing to give up more this offseason.
This is the issue with Orlando and it’s fans. They are too afraid to make changes because they fear “missing the playoffs”... We aren’t “risking” anything.
I could literally care less about seeing a first round exit team AGAIN at the expense of draft position and trade value. Most outsiders, and informed fans, looking at Orlando’s situation all say the same thing - “it’s time that they start making decisions on some of these guys”. AG, Fournier, and Vuc ARE those guys... whether fans want to believe it or not. This FO is not going to trade Isaac and Bamba. It’s not happening. They wouldn’t move on from their only acquisitions at the expense of AG and Fournier.
I’ll repeat, it does NOT take 7 years to build a roster. It doesn’t take a FO 4 years to choose a direction. People might have a case if this team was going into the season healthy with Okeke as an X-factor accompanied with a rookie, Fultz, Isaac, and Bamba. The rest? We already know who they are and what they do. The realistic result of this team next season is what happened this season minus DJ and Isaac.. no thanks.
Isaac is out, so instead of “playoffs or bust” the FO should actually make some decisions and plan something for once.
You sir are correct. A competent front office can do a compete rebuild in about two seasons.
Look at the Timberwolves for example, in one year, they got rid of Wiggins 5 year 147 million contract, Gorgui 2 year 30 million and Jeff Teague 19 million.
We went from an 8th seed team with no future to now with much higher upside. We tanked this season and now have the number 1 pick along with two young all stars.
The Orlando Magic need to tank the 2020 season, clean their books and stock pile draft picks and in 2021, they could be a real contending team with continuous upside.
Last year of Vuc
And cap space and draft picks to spend in 2021.
Without any desire to insult you, you guys are team that every other team should look and learn what to not do.
Regular Minessota T wolves fan who is now 17 years old lived through 1 playoff Minessota run in his entire life.
And even today, on paper your team isn't that bad ( Towns, D'angelo, Beasley) but let's not fool anybody, you were still trash. 19-45 record says it all. Among your best 3 players, not a single one can defend anybody. Especially Russell who is like wet paper on defense. And player who supposed to be defensive anchor by default, and position he plays, Towns, is as bad defensive center as you get.Towns currently ranks 405 of 513 players in NBA.com’s defensive win shares, and has an awful 115.4 defensive rating. That means a starting lineup of five Towns would yield 115 points to any opponent. The Wolves are actually a minus 2.2 points per 100 possessions with KAT on the court, according to Basketball-Reference.
So no, you don't rebuild team in two years, your rebuild started in 2004 and is yet to show any progress other than one year rental of Jimmy Butler who couldn't stand your former 1# picks Towns and Wiggins. You are still going nowhere.
Only reason why your players look like stars is :
a) playing for nothing but personal stats ( Wiggins, Beasley, Towns)
b) pushing pace ( 4th in pace)
And there is some hope that some nba coach could turn Towns into positive contributor on playoff team ( looking at only playoff run he had, it's a streach, but maybe) however, it's almost 2021, not a single team will ever pass first round with 30% usage rate of center. It's just different era.
Just like not a single team can survive in playoffs with Russell being exposed every single possession in pick&roll, especially when Towns should be there to "save " him, yet he can't even hold his own on that side.We went from an 8th seed team with no future to now with much higher upside. We tanked this season and now have the number 1 pick along with two young all stars.
You went from having Jimmy Butler carring your a*** to playoffs to worst record over 2 years without salray cap until 2023.
You guys ending up with 1# pick, just to relise nobody that year is even worth lottery selection is most ironic outcome of "building through draft only" strategy. At least you don't pay Wiggins any more... I guess that's something. But i won't pretend D'angelo is much better. Empty calory 17 ppg on 52% TS for career with 0,3 BPM and negative net rating for career... If he played on Pistons and Cavs and not Nets and Lakers, he would be called Ish Smith.
This is all wrong. We just got a new entire regime here last season. This is year 2 of the new rebuild with new players, new coaches, front office, new stadium, jerseys everything.
When Jimmy Butler was here; the Wolves were a 3rd seed in the west. He went down with sprained MCL and we fell down to the 8th.
Wolves didn’t trade Butler because we wanted too, he wanted out because wigs and towns both got the 5 year max over him so we had to deal him. In the end we got decent value for him.
Timberwolves traded Jimmy Butler for Robert Covington & Dario Saric & the 17th pick.
Wolves were a .500 team post trade then Roco who is our verison of Isaac got hurt and the season was lost.
Covington was traded for Houston’s 2020 1st — and that pick was traded for Malik Beasley and Juancho Hernangomez. Saric & Wolves 11 Pick traded for 6th Pick.
So No. 17 + Beasley, Hernangomez, and Culver for Jimmy Butler.
Better than the Sixers who only got a Josh Richardson for him.
As for Towns and DLo. They may have their defensive flaws but there’s no denying their talent. Towns shoots 50 from the field, 40 from 3 and is a 20-10 machine. He’s only 24 years old and already a two time all star.
As for DLo, he’s on the same level as Jamal Murray. He was the Net’s number 1 option and took them to the playoffs. He’s only 24 as well and an all star. He has the skills to drop 40-50 pts in a game.
The 19-45 season was a pure tank. We dumped all our long term contracts at the trade deadline and picked up a bunch of rookies and expirings. The only two expensive deals we have on the roster is our two key pieces. Our two max players who are both 24 and former all stars. That’s what a franchise is suppose to do.
We now have two max young all stars and pick 1, 17, 33. Pretty solid base for a mid market team to build for the future.
Thanks for the debate bro.