poll: what do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick?

drsd · Post #1 » by **drsd** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:44 am

This is not a "what player to draft question".

Orlando is sitting at #15 in a draft where there are major question marks at the top end, good depth in the mid and late lottery, and solid depth at the tail end of the first round.

I see several options for Orlando.

1) Keep the #15 pick and select BPA
2) Trade up to the top of the draft in a block buster deal
3) Trade up to the late lottery for "the player the team wants"
4) Trade down to maximise value of this selection whilst maintaining "roster management"
5) Trade out of the first round entirely

Which of these plausible scenarios do you WANT (not what you expect management to do)?

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zaymon · Post #2 » by **zaymon** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:43 am

I think #15 is kind of a sweet spot. I would almost never try to trade up for top 3 pick and would be very reluctant to give assets for late lottery. Trading down also doesnt make much sense becouse i see around 20 very interesting players.
For all the talk how bad being 8th seed is we are pretty good positioned in the draft. #45 is also looking really good this year.

UnFadeable21 · Post #3 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:45 am

Get Maxey no matter what.

Tarheel · Post #4 » by **Tarheel** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:54 am

I would be working hard to put deals on the table prior to draft night but waiting to see how things shake out to make a move.

If we draft at #15 I'd like to see us come out with Maxey, Nesmith, Hampton or one of the higher ranked guys if they slide.

If moves are on the table to move up to #4-8 for a Haliburton, Hayes, Vassell then I'd be open to trading the pick plus limited assets to move up.

If there's a move on the table for Edwards or Ball then I'd actually be minded to keep the pick out of the deal if we can, due to the value we'd have to give up elsewhere (ie Vuc or AG). If it's a deal-breaker then fine but one of those players and the #15 puts a lot of pressure on the incoming rookie to be good in a draft where everyone can be less sure than usual. It would give us the option of attaching the pick to an opted-in Evan for a front court piece to replace the depth we lost trading for #2.

Either way it's going to be a very interesting draft with the uncertainty, the top 2 teams looking to trade out of their picks and the knock-on effects of the shrinking cap. I think there will be loads of movement.

MasterGMer · Post #5 » by **MasterGMer** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 8:58 am

I like Maxey as well and I like Terry too. We need shooters.

Skybox · Post #6 » by **Skybox** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:30 am

I like 15 but I also think AG or Vuc could easily bring us back another (As opposed to just creeping up a few slots) mid-round pick (with expiring or filler)...I want two swings at this draft...one scoring guard and one wing....I’d go all in on a Wiggins + #2, but those top picks are scary this year.

**Edit: I meant Evan, not Vuc...for Vuc, I'd want Wiggins and #2

fendilim · Post #7 » by **fendilim** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 10:35 am

Someone who can hoop lol

Post #8 » by **Knightro** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 12:46 pm

I’m fine with option 1 if there’s no good deals out there, but I’d prefer options 2 or 3 at this point even if it meant unloading a current rotation piece.

There’s rotation caliber talent that will be available at 15, but there’s better talent higher up in the lottery too.

zaymon · Post #9 » by **zaymon** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 1:08 pm

Knightro wrote:I’m fine with option 1 if there’s no good deals out there, but I’d prefer options 2 or 3 at this point even if it meant unloading a current rotation piece.

There’s rotation caliber talent that will be available at 15, but there’s better talent higher up in the lottery too.

I am not quite as certain there is better talent up top. I know its early but look at last years draft. After Morant and Zion its a crapshoot. This year there is no Ja or Zion. Only player worth trading up last year was Herro but he also is not a player you can build around, not even close.
Weltman said there are many players they like at our spot and there will be a tough decision to make. I can see that being true. I can also see a scenario where Maledon is better than Haliburton or Pokusevski better than Ball, Tillman better than Wiseman and Bane better than Edwards.

Post #10 » by **Knightro** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 2:07 pm

zaymon wrote:I am not quite as certain there is better talent up top. I know its early but look at last years draft. After Morant and Zion its a crapshoot. This year there is no Ja or Zion. Only player worth trading up last year was Herro but he also is not a player you can build around, not even close.
Weltman said there are many players they like at our spot and there will be a tough decision to make. I can see that being true. I can also see a scenario where Maledon is better than Haliburton or Pokusevski better than Ball, Tillman better than Wiseman and Bane better than Edwards.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the draft prospects. If you don't think there's much of a gap between 5 and 15, that's fine and I can respect that.

In my own personal evaluation, I'm much more confident in Ball, Haliburton and Hayes (from the PG perspective specifically) becoming good and potentially great NBA players than I am the next tier of guys.

Doesn't mean I don't think guys who will likely be available at 15 won't become solid players.

I also think it's fair to say that as presently constructed, the Orlando Magic are going to win somewhere between 37-42 games if they play a full 82 next year.

With that in mind, I have zero issue unloading current rotation players - Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic/Ross - to acquire lottery talent because I'm perfectly comfortable with the backwards step that would likely come with that because they're not in a good position anyway.

Now I don't know if Weltman or Hammond are comfortable with that. I think it's more likely that they're willing to sacrifice a young player (specifically Bamba) to get another young player. I hope they don't do that, but I could understand why they would.

Post #11 » by **Def Swami** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 3:32 pm

Knightro wrote:
zaymon wrote:I am not quite as certain there is better talent up top. I know its early but look at last years draft. After Morant and Zion its a crapshoot. This year there is no Ja or Zion. Only player worth trading up last year was Herro but he also is not a player you can build around, not even close.
Weltman said there are many players they like at our spot and there will be a tough decision to make. I can see that being true. I can also see a scenario where Maledon is better than Haliburton or Pokusevski better than Ball, Tillman better than Wiseman and Bane better than Edwards.

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the draft prospects. If you don't think there's much of a gap between 5 and 15, that's fine and I can respect that.

In my own personal evaluation, I'm much more confident in Ball, Haliburton and Hayes (from the PG perspective specifically) becoming good and potentially great NBA players than I am the next tier of guys.

Doesn't mean I don't think guys who will likely be available at 15 won't become solid players.

I also think it's fair to say that as presently constructed, the Orlando Magic are going to win somewhere between 37-42 games if they play a full 82 next year.

With that in mind, I have zero issue unloading current rotation players - Gordon/Fournier/Vucevic/Ross - to acquire lottery talent because I'm perfectly comfortable with the backwards step that would likely come with that because they're not in a good position anyway.

Now I don't know if Weltman or Hammond are comfortable with that. I think it's more likely that they're willing to sacrifice a young player (specifically Bamba) to get another young player. I hope they don't do that, but I could understand why they would.

I agree that Weltman and Hammond would prefer not to take step backwards, especially since it is their contract year. But if there were ever a season for the franchise and fans to swallow a step backward, it would be this one. By many accounts, the '20-'21 season is going to be shortened (January to June). We likely won't have fans in the building for a majority of the season, so we're not worried about attendance and season ticket holders. And Jonathan Isaac won't be back until October 2021 at the earliest. This is as good a season to transition toward the future as any. I hope they take that into account.

UnFadeable21 · Post #12 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:42 pm

Skybox wrote:I like 15 but I also think AG or Vuc could easily bring us back another (As opposed to just creeping up a few slots) mid-round pick (with expiring or filler)...I want two swings at this draft...one scoring guard and one wing....I’d go all in on a Wiggins + #2, but those top picks are scary this year.

**Edit: I meant Evan, not Vuc...for Vuc, I'd want Wiggins and #2

Trade Gordon to Minnesota for the 17 pick and expiring James Johnson. Clear the books for 2021

Ducklett · Post #13 » by **Ducklett** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:45 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Skybox wrote:I like 15 but I also think AG or Vuc could easily bring us back another (As opposed to just creeping up a few slots) mid-round pick (with expiring or filler)...I want two swings at this draft...one scoring guard and one wing....I’d go all in on a Wiggins + #2, but those top picks are scary this year.

**Edit: I meant Evan, not Vuc...for Vuc, I'd want Wiggins and #2

Trade Gordon to Minnesota for the 17 pick and expiring James Johnson. Clear the books for 2021

Gross. Portland's offer of 16, Simons, Ariza is infinitely better.

UnFadeable21 · Post #14 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 5:51 pm

Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Skybox wrote:I like 15 but I also think AG or Vuc could easily bring us back another (As opposed to just creeping up a few slots) mid-round pick (with expiring or filler)...I want two swings at this draft...one scoring guard and one wing....I’d go all in on a Wiggins + #2, but those top picks are scary this year.

**Edit: I meant Evan, not Vuc...for Vuc, I'd want Wiggins and #2

Trade Gordon to Minnesota for the 17 pick and expiring James Johnson. Clear the books for 2021

Gross. Portland's offer of 16, Simons, Ariza is infinitely better.

When have they offered that?

Ducklett · Post #15 » by **Ducklett** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:01 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Trade Gordon to Minnesota for the 17 pick and expiring James Johnson. Clear the books for 2021

Gross. Portland's offer of 16, Simons, Ariza is infinitely better.

When have they offered that?

It was rumored that was one of the 5-6 offers we had at the deadline. I can't imagine it has much changed.

Has 17+JJ been anything other than what the Wolves fans want on this board? I haven't heard nor read anything that AG is connected to the Wolves at all.

UnFadeable21 · Post #16 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:06 pm

Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
Gross. Portland's offer of 16, Simons, Ariza is infinitely better.

When have they offered that?

It was rumored that was one of the 5-6 offers we had at the deadline. I can't imagine it has much changed.

Has 17+JJ been anything other than what the Wolves fans want on this board? I haven't heard nor read anything that AG is connected to the Wolves at all.

Kevin O’Conner The Ringer said the Wolves and Magic discussed Gordon at the trade deadline

Ducklett · Post #17 » by **Ducklett** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:08 pm

UnFadeable21 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
When have they offered that?

It was rumored that was one of the 5-6 offers we had at the deadline. I can't imagine it has much changed.

Has 17+JJ been anything other than what the Wolves fans want on this board? I haven't heard nor read anything that AG is connected to the Wolves at all.

Kevin O’Conner The Ringer said the Wolves and Magic discussed Gordon at the trade deadline

He sure did: he said the Wolves offered Covington and it was declined. Covington then went on the yield a first and Malik Beasley. If the Timberwolves wanted to offer 17 and Beasley, I'm sure the Magic might be more receptive.

UnFadeable21 · Post #18 » by **UnFadeable21** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 6:38 pm

Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Ducklett wrote:
It was rumored that was one of the 5-6 offers we had at the deadline. I can't imagine it has much changed.

Has 17+JJ been anything other than what the Wolves fans want on this board? I haven't heard nor read anything that AG is connected to the Wolves at all.

Kevin O’Conner The Ringer said the Wolves and Magic discussed Gordon at the trade deadline

He sure did: he said the Wolves offered Covington and it was declined. Covington then went on the yield a first and Malik Beasley. If the Timberwolves wanted to offer 17 and Beasley, I'm sure the Magic might be more receptive.

Beasley is basically Terrance Ross. Ya got one already and he’s also a free agent

tiderulz · Post #19 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:03 pm

MasterGMer wrote:I like Maxey as well and I like Terry too. We need shooters.

how do we find shooters if you like Maxey? he is definitely not a shooter

tiderulz · Post #20 » by **tiderulz** » Fri Oct 23, 2020 7:04 pm

Ducklett wrote:
UnFadeable21 wrote:
Skybox wrote:I like 15 but I also think AG or Vuc could easily bring us back another (As opposed to just creeping up a few slots) mid-round pick (with expiring or filler)...I want two swings at this draft...one scoring guard and one wing....I’d go all in on a Wiggins + #2, but those top picks are scary this year.

**Edit: I meant Evan, not Vuc...for Vuc, I'd want Wiggins and #2

Trade Gordon to Minnesota for the 17 pick and expiring James Johnson. Clear the books for 2021

Gross. Portland's offer of 16, Simons, Ariza is infinitely better.

if you are a believer in Simons, which i am not

What do you want Orlando to do with its #15 pick?