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The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#1 » by Skin » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:45 am

Been doing this a few years in a row now... I always have fun with it. This year I have teetered between several different prospects for this thread. I have a fully written up one for Tyrell Terry and 2 other half written up ones for Jahmi'us Ramsey and Aleksej Pokusevski. lol. I really am a huge fan of those players, I would love to land any one of them... but for one reason or another, I just could not single any one of them out as my favorite pick for the Magic this year.

Terry was the closest. Fills a lot of our needs, great shooter, has record breaking high BBIQ, has shown growth in his frame, and people liken him to Steph and Trae... but I'm not quite there in those player comparisons... He's not as explosive of a scorer nor did he show the same playmaking ability. Trae dished out 8.7 AST per game. Terry put up 3.2 AST on 2.6 TOV per game and defensively, I still think the 15 pounds he gained is still 15 pounds too light. Sure, Steph and Trae paved the way for similar types to emerge in the future, but you always gotta be careful of the latest craze and comparisons.... When the International craze hit, everyone wanted the next Dirk, Manu, Parker only to end up with Bargnani, Tskitishvili, Darko... When High Schoolers started coming into the league everyone wanted the next KG and Kobe only to get Jonathan Bender, Darius Miles, Deshawn Stevenson, Gerald Wallace (not bad players, but the hit was not as big). That's where I think Terry will lie. Not a bad player, but not gonna meet Steph/Trae levels either.

Pokusevski is a unicorn type talent in terms of potential, but he's so wild, untested and raw that I don't know if WeHam will have the patience. Having patience in 1, 2 even 3 years into their term is one thing... Having patience in year 4, 5 and beyond is something else. They will have to start worrying about their own job security.

Ramsey is an elite physical specimen. One of the youngest in the draft and built like Adonis with a reported 6'10 wingspan... Legitimate shooter, slasher, shot blocker. Getting bashed a little too much for his inconsistent scoring nights, questionable shot selection, looks lost on defense at times. Fills our big need as a lead scoring type. If he puts it all together, he could be the one that we say... Why the **** did we pass on him???

But ok ok enough about the guys I didn't choose and onto the guy I did choose... Mr. Jaden McDaniels.

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DRAFT VALUE

I think one of the first things people will ask is....Is 15 too high??? I've had those thoughts myself. I wandered my interest in other players myself, only to come around full circle. I first learned of McDaniels looking at early preseason mocks, and at the time, he was getting mocked in the Top 5 along with other names like Cole Anthony and Vernon Carey... for a time ESPN had him as their #1 ranked HS prospect. I didn't think the Magic had a chance of landing him back then, but with some bumps in the road during his college career which followed the disappointing record that the Huskies had finishing last in the Pac-12, McDaniels saw his draft stock plummet. Was it fair? I have my doubts. Some players are just better suited for the NBA game than the college game. I can't explain it better than Gilbert Arenas did here. It's worth a listen.

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On top of that, I have had thoughts about this draft being one that we look back and say, "WOW, A TON OF MISTAKES WERE MADE!" So many people are saying that they don't see it as a good draft. So many are sticking to a board that has very little movement. Early season impressions are holding a lot of weight. The shortened season due to Covid which cut the NCAA Tournament completely robbed everyone of having a very important draft evaluation opportunity. No combine. No workouts. No team visits. Virtual interviews. NBA teams are bound to make more mistakes this year than any other year.

So if you ask me if McDaniels is worth the 15th pick, I tell you that he's the guy I would not pass on and I don't care where the mocks are putting him. In a nutshell, it came down to Jaden giving me the best of all worlds. He has the big man mobility, foot speed and ball handling that drew me to Poku, but won't take as long to develop... He has shooting potential that drew me to Terry, but scores on all three levels and can break his man off the dribble... He has the athleticism and length that drew me to Ramsey, but is longer and more explosive... On top of that, he has that one character trait that I LOVE in players... SWAG, TOUGHNESS and an IN YOUR FACE attitude.

He's the Anti-Choir Boy.

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Jaden McDaniels: The next big wing to benefit from NBA spacing?
Almost seven months removed from a freshman season that McDaniels described as upsetting, he regularly ripped off 15 treys in a row, handled the ball like a guard with tremendous footwork, played above the rim, dropped in floaters with soft touch and showed off his 9-foot-1 standing reach in verticality drills. It served as a reminder of why we briefly ranked him as the top prospect in the draft before he got to the University of Washington in January 2019. -- ESPN Insider, Mike Schmitz


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With Magic fans gnashing their teeth at passing on Michael Porter, here's our chance to get redemption. Jason Tatum, Brandon Ingram, Pascal Siakam, Kevin Durant, Jonathan Isaac.... Each player is different, but these types of long wiry athletic ballers have a special mold that makes them a tough match up. My sights might be set high, but I do believe that Jaden McDaniels has the same make up and combination of skills that can help him become a star if the team that drafts him develops him correctly.

He is stronger, is shooting the ball at a high level and has bought into film study. And from a sheer talent perspective, McDaniels truly has as much upside as any prospect in this draft not named Anthony Edwards or LaMelo Ball. -- ESPN Insider, Mike Schmitz


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Jaden McDaniels was an extremely hyped up prospect out of high school and had what can only be viewed as a disappointing season. However, his potential and talent is why I’m still tremendously high on him. His ability to create his own shot at all three levels effectively at 6’10 is just incredible. Wings who can create their own shot are gold in today’s NBA, and that’s exactly what McDaniels can do. He’s not a slouch on defense either. His athleticism, length, versatility, and commitment on that end should make him a great defender in the league. I’m willing to overlook certain motor and maturity issues because of the immense talent this guy possesses. A lot of his development will come down to if a team is patient with him but I personally think he’s one of, if not, the most underrated player in this class and could be a gamechanger for the team that rolls the dice on him. --tswn.net


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FIT WITH THE MAGIC

I haven't agreed with everything that WeHam has done, but I have respected their vision for building a team where length is a top priority. They have been dead eye in terms of their draft targets, FA targets and trade targets. No other team in the NBA has been so obnoxious in doing what they have been doing. Most teams are happy if they can get 1 or 2 long guys. WeHam seems to want an entire roster of them. lol. There is a popular thread here about the Magic needing to copy the Heat's model. The problem is that anytime you try to copy a team, it takes years to do so... if it's even possible... and by that time, the NBA has already shifted or evolved. When the league zigs, you gotta zag. The Magic are zagging right now, trying to build a line up where length dominates, and in order to have that kind of length at every position, you need unique players who possess the skill necessary to play their positions and you gotta grab them whenever you can regardless of what the general consensus is. If their plan doesn't work, it doesn't work... but at least it shows vision, innovation and courage. I can't fault that. I actually wanna see what their completed picture looks like and I think Jaden McDaniels fits their prototype SF. JM has the footspeed and handle to make it work. What he needs to gain is some muscle mass and that will take time (which the Magic have).

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sifting through our extensive draft database, the list of prospects 6-foot-9 and taller who averaged 13 points, 5 rebounds, 2 assists and 1 block per game in college before hitting 20 years old, like McDaniels, is short. Especially in the regular season, forwards with McDaniels' length, agility, foot speed and shooting potential generally find a role in the NBA either as an energizer or oversize wing scorer.


Position: Small Forward
Age: Just turned 20 in September
Height: 6-9 to 6-10 (according to different reports)
Weight: 200
Wingspan: 6-11.5 to 7-1 (according to different reports)

2019/20 stats: 31 G, 31.1 mpg, 13.0 ppg, 5.8 rpg, 2.1 apg, 0.8 spg, 1.4 bpg, 40.5 FG% (4.4/10.85.7), 33.9 3PT% (1.4/4.1), 76.3 FT%

Magic Future Core Line Up

PG Markelle Fultz
SG ?
SF Jaden McDaniels
PF Jonathan Isaac
C Swole Bamba

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SG/SF Wes Iwundu
SF/PF Chuma Okeke
PF/C Al Farouq Aminu
C Khem Birch

What I'd like to see is Aaron Gordon, Evan Fournier, Terence Ross and/or Nikola Vucevic used to move up in this year's draft. If we can get in the Devin Vassell, Aaron Nesmith range, I'd be stoked... btw, I'd take Vassell over McDaniels, but not Nesmith. This draft is really good imo, if we could just get another pick, I honestly see a lot of late round options to take a chance on in hopes we hit on a SG... Jahmi'us Ramsey, Desmond Bane, Robert Woodard, Cassius Stanley (pet cat). WOULD LOVE TO SEE US MAKE A DRAFT DAY TRADE!



WRAP UP

It is humbling and frustrating to be a Magic fan. We all feel this. The draft is one of the things that gives me hope for this franchise. We are currently in no rush to go anywhere. We have no lead star who is ready to put this team on his back and carry us. I am happy to say that we have candidates in Fultz and Isaac, but they are still transcending and not yet there. Next year, without Isaac this team is still probably good enough to get an 8th seed (mostly because nobody wants that spot), but another 1st round exit is guaranteed. A player like Jaden McDaniels oozes potential, but will have to be given a long leash. Magic fans aren't used to that. We like to declare busts after a bad game or 2 (ie. Bamba). Brandon Ingram took time. Michael Porter needed time. Pascal Siakam broke out in Year 3. Jonathan Isaac is still climbing. Jaden McDaniels will need time too. Fellow Husky Alum, Markelle could take him under his wing. The Magic have time. What they need to do is show belief in their own guys. I have been hard on WeHam for keeping Henny's guys around too long. This is the 4th draft for them. They need to start to turn the page and get closer to turning this team into their vision. It will be hard without Isaac next year, but we need to see what Chuma has to offer. I say LET this year's pick get quality burn time on the court. Hopefully, Bamba has a good offseason and returns in shape. I have high confidence that Markelle will take another step forward. But the opportunities for all these players have to be there. They can't take a back seat because Henny's guys are commanding the ball. Kyrie left Boston and Marcus Smart came alive. Kemba Walker left and Davonte Graham went OFF. Kawhi left and Siakam became an All-Star. We SHOULD be willing to let DJ Augustin go at the very least. We have to let go of the fear of losing and open up lanes for player development. A team like the Magic makes total sense for drafting Jaden McDaniels. Medium risk, High upside. If things went perfect for him at Washington, we wouldn't be talking about him as an option. We'd be dreaming of him as an option. What's your take on him???

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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#2 » by basketballRob » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:30 am

He'd definitely add to our size. Draftnet compares him to Jonathan Isaac.

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Post#3 » by Bensational » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:06 am

We'd have freak length and defensive potential in that front court. I'd love to see it.

Legit two-way player with 3-way scoring potential. He could be Siakam/Durant-esque with some polish and consistency. Needs to get smarter within a team, and give more consistent effort on D.

Trade Fournier/Gordon to get back in for Hayes/Haliburton/Terry/Maxey and we'd have a fresh and exciting squad to watch next season.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#4 » by VFX » Thu Oct 29, 2020 6:47 am

Great write up Skin.

Keeping AG? Don’t want him. Why? Okeke exists also.

This draft is full of guards and playmakers that Orlando lacks in spades and slotted at #15. This guy looks like another long project that would take years to pan out.

If those subsequent moves are made, then sure. Take the risk. This FO has yet to make a big move, so I doubt it happens.

I’m never a fan of drafting a player that doesn’t have opportunity for playing time during valuable rookie contract years.

That being said, this is WeHams guy if I had to guess. He has all the trappings of a dark horse contrarian pick that serves no immediate purpose and will end up getting limited minutes for multiple seasons. Perfect.
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Post#5 » by Skin » Thu Oct 29, 2020 8:48 am

MagicMatic wrote:Great write up Skin.

Keeping AG? Don’t want him. Why? Okeke exists also.

This draft is full of guards and playmakers that Orlando lacks in spades and slotted at #15. This guy looks like another long project that would take years to pan out.

If those subsequent moves are made, then sure. Take the risk. This FO has yet to make a big move, so I doubt it happens.

I’m never a fan of drafting a player that doesn’t have opportunity for playing time during valuable rookie contract years.

That being said, this is WeHams guy if I had to guess. He has all the trappings of a dark horse contrarian pick that serves no immediate purpose and will end up getting limited minutes for multiple seasons. Perfect.

I'm in the "trade AG camp". I'd trade him even if we only got a late 1st. I'm ready to move on. I think there's more than a 50% chance that he gets traded.

That said, even if he stays, I don't see AG being a big road block to McDaniels getting playing time at SF. I think AG would take over more of Isaac's minutes at PF and affect Chuma more... but Chuma could also find minutes at SF too.

Chuma is a 3D type who would probably be eased in playing off ball as a stretch 4 to start his career. Kind of like AG's early career. I'm high on him not being a bust, but not high on him being a star. More key glue guy. If he ended up playing a Jae Crowder type role that would be great.

McDaniels would cut into James Ennis' minutes (if he opts in his player option - hopefully not). That shouldn't be a problem. McDaniels should be able to carve out a nice rookie session. I don't think the NBA game will overwhelm him. He just needs to gain experience, level up his BBIQ, do film study and build up his body to take the next step. The fundamental skills are already there. This is NOT a draft prospect praised for being an athlete but needs to learn how to play basketball (something we know all too well in these parts). This guy has developed basketball skills. That's a big reason why I love him. He can contribute from Day 1 if coach is not scared to give him that chance.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#6 » by VFX » Thu Oct 29, 2020 9:34 am

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MagicMatic wrote:Great write up Skin.

Keeping AG? Don’t want him. Why? Okeke exists also.

This draft is full of guards and playmakers that Orlando lacks in spades and slotted at #15. This guy looks like another long project that would take years to pan out.

If those subsequent moves are made, then sure. Take the risk. This FO has yet to make a big move, so I doubt it happens.

I’m never a fan of drafting a player that doesn’t have opportunity for playing time during valuable rookie contract years.

That being said, this is WeHams guy if I had to guess. He has all the trappings of a dark horse contrarian pick that serves no immediate purpose and will end up getting limited minutes for multiple seasons. Perfect.

I'm in the "trade AG camp". I'd trade him even if we only got a late 1st. I'm ready to move on. I think there's more than a 50% chance that he gets traded.

That said, even if he stays, I don't see AG being a big road block to McDaniels getting playing time at SF. I think AG would take over more of Isaac's minutes at PF and affect Chuma more... but Chuma could also find minutes at SF too.

Chuma is a 3D type who would probably be eased in playing off ball as a stretch 4 to start his career. Kind of like AG's early career. I'm high on him not being a bust, but not high on him being a star. More key glue guy. If he ended up playing a Jae Crowder type role that would be great.

McDaniels would cut into James Ennis' minutes (if he opts in his player option - hopefully not). That shouldn't be a problem. McDaniels should be able to carve out a nice rookie session. I don't think the NBA game will overwhelm him. He just needs to gain experience, level up his BBIQ, do film study and build up his body to take the next step. The fundamental skills are already there. This is NOT a draft prospect praised for being an athlete but needs to learn how to play basketball (something we know all too well in these parts). This guy has developed basketball skills. That's a big reason why I love him. He can contribute from Day 1 if coach is not scared to give him that chance.


If AG is actually traded, then sure I’m in on McDaniels pending the trade return. What I would ultimately dislike is forgoing on some of these interesting guard prospects, selecting McDaniels, and choosing not to move AG. Seeing as this is the worst case scenario IMO it will likely happen.
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Post#7 » by KillMonger » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:18 am

wholeheartedly agree, i wouldn't want to pass on him just because we got a fair amount of forwards...if you believe the kid has star potential select him and worry about fit later. As much as we need shooting and shot creation, we need a star more in whatever form that is.
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Post#8 » by zaymon » Thu Oct 29, 2020 10:35 am

I dont like McDaniels for us. First you mentined about beind ready to play and compared him to Pokusevski. Pokusevski was listed at 201 lbs before turning 19 y.o, Mcdaniels was listed at 184 lbs being 20. Jaden frame is weak and there is worry he wont be strong enough to guard 4s. Physically he is more of a project than Pokusevski, Isaac and even Ingram.
His college offensive numbers doesnt compare to any good forwards who are currently in the nba. 51% TS is not exactly encouraging. 2.1 ast/3.2 tov is showing he has problems to make good decisions on the ball and 3.3 personal fouls is concerning about his decision making on defense. Isaac had 1 foul less per 40 min in college while being phisical and bolt of energy.
Jaden seems like a player who needs a very limited role on offense early on, and propably in the future. We dont have the greatest infrastructure to support that and payback also seems quite low. For a player limited to spot up shooting i prefer someone like Okeke who is great shooter and smart defender.
Last thing is character issues. Being benched becouse of behavior doesnt scream Weltman to me.
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Post#9 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:29 am

Everything Magic don't need.
Underdeveloped body, underdeveloped and without any clear basketball skills other than being " not terrible" at anything but passing, forward that can't play with ball and does not have strenght to be rolling big any time soon.

Pretty much overlapping skillset and limitations with Isaac.
Terrible player as decision maker, having 100 turnovers in just 31 games played, on 65 assists.


His game wasn't build for college, but his body is even less built for NBA. Half of guards are stronger than him.

Not drafting guard would be such an idiotic move to make that i refuse to even entertain notion.
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Post#10 » by Skybox » Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:57 am

Great write-up.

I really want a shot at a lead guard off the bench with potential to also move into starting 2 long term (next to Fultz)...Maxey, Hampton, Hayes or Haliburton(trade ups), etc.

But I'd LOVE to basically trade AG for another pick to select McDaniels (or the other ones above depending on how guys fall). The idea of an offensive-minded guy built like JI is intriguing-even if he never went beyond off the bench mismatch scorer. But he could be a lot more.

I do believe in length, especially if compounded by multiple players. Was listening to Brad Daugherty talking about the '86 Celtics and how you couldn't even see the rim, let alone get off a shot against them...not the most stifling individual defenders but able to create a forest of arms altering and deflecting everything AND getting off easy jumpers when switched on littles...What Isaac does is revolutionary, you don't need 3 Isaacs to compound the effect-just additional lengthy guys to support him by sticking their limbs into everybody's business.
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Post#11 » by tiderulz » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:31 pm

pepe1991 wrote:Everything Magic don't need.
Underdeveloped body, underdeveloped and without any clear basketball skills other than being " not terrible" at anything but passing, forward that can't play with ball and does not have strenght to be rolling big any time soon.

Pretty much overlapping skillset and limitations with Isaac.
Terrible player as decision maker, having 100 turnovers in just 31 games played, on 65 assists.


His game wasn't build for college, but his body is even less built for NBA. Half of guards are stronger than him.

Not drafting guard would be such an idiotic move to make that i refuse to even entertain notion.

you could say the same for Durant coming out of college. he couldnt do 1 rep at 185
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Post#12 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:41 pm

tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Everything Magic don't need.
Underdeveloped body, underdeveloped and without any clear basketball skills other than being " not terrible" at anything but passing, forward that can't play with ball and does not have strenght to be rolling big any time soon.

Pretty much overlapping skillset and limitations with Isaac.
Terrible player as decision maker, having 100 turnovers in just 31 games played, on 65 assists.


His game wasn't build for college, but his body is even less built for NBA. Half of guards are stronger than him.

Not drafting guard would be such an idiotic move to make that i refuse to even entertain notion.

you could say the same for Durant coming out of college. he couldnt do 1 rep at 185


But he could score 26 points a game on 40% for 3, grab 11 rebounds a game , block 2 shots and become first freshman who won national player of the year at college.
He couldn't lift 185, but he could lift average college team.

Main reason why he wasn't 1# pick was stupid fascination with centers, that made even in 2007 little to no sense, as league was dominated by Kobe, Garnett, Lebron, Wade, Allen... and centers like Shaq and Ming were fading

My knock on Jaden isn't that he is skinny, but that he is skinny and also has no defined basketball skills.
He is below average outside shooter at college, not terrible but nothing special FT shooter, not much of a scorer, not much of a slasher and in same time without strenght to play as big. So how execlly he will score in nba? Probably like Bender and Marquesse Chriss. He won't.
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Post#13 » by Ducklett » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:45 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:
pepe1991 wrote:Everything Magic don't need.
Underdeveloped body, underdeveloped and without any clear basketball skills other than being " not terrible" at anything but passing, forward that can't play with ball and does not have strenght to be rolling big any time soon.

Pretty much overlapping skillset and limitations with Isaac.
Terrible player as decision maker, having 100 turnovers in just 31 games played, on 65 assists.


His game wasn't build for college, but his body is even less built for NBA. Half of guards are stronger than him.

Not drafting guard would be such an idiotic move to make that i refuse to even entertain notion.

you could say the same for Durant coming out of college. he couldnt do 1 rep at 185


But he could score 26 points a game on 40% for 3, grab 11 rebounds a game , block 2 shots and become first freshman who won national player of the year at college.
He couldn't lift 185, but he could lift average college team.

Main reason why he wasn't 1# pick was stupid fascination with centers, that made even in 2007 little to no sense, as league was dominated by Kobe, Garnett, Lebron, Wade, Allen... and centers like Shaq and Ming were fading

My knock on Jaden isn't that he is skinny, but that he is skinny and also has no defined basketball skills.
He is below average outside shooter at college, not terrible but nothing special FT shooter, not much of a scorer, not much of a slasher and in same time without strenght to play as big. So how execlly he will score in nba? Probably like Bender and Marquesse Chriss. He won't.


I agree. If the guy we pick can't shoot, its going to be a misfire.
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Post#14 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 1:51 pm

MagicMatic wrote:Great write up Skin.

Keeping AG? Don’t want him. Why? Okeke exists also.

This draft is full of guards and playmakers that Orlando lacks in spades and slotted at #15. This guy looks like another long project that would take years to pan out.

If those subsequent moves are made, then sure. Take the risk. This FO has yet to make a big move, so I doubt it happens.

I’m never a fan of drafting a player that doesn’t have opportunity for playing time during valuable rookie contract years.

That being said, this is WeHams guy if I had to guess. He has all the trappings of a dark horse contrarian pick that serves no immediate purpose and will end up getting limited minutes for multiple seasons. Perfect.


2021 draft is hyped to be legit.

How about this for our 2020 tank job:

- Draft McDaniels for the SF

- Trade AG for as high of a 2020 FRP as we can get (whatever that may be) and draft another guard to play alongside Fultz
—-> Killian Hayes if I am lucky

- Play Okeke at PF


We finally rank for real. Guys get trial by fire and get some real Day-1 experience as rookies. We hopefully land a prized draft pick in a stacked class and then Isaac returns. If all plays out, at least one of the 3 rookies this year is more than just a role player as well.
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Post#15 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Oct 29, 2020 2:49 pm

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Post#16 » by drsd » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:35 pm

MagicFan101 wrote:How about this for our 2020 tank job:

- Draft McDaniels for the SF

- Trade AG for as high of a 2020 FRP as we can get (whatever that may be) and draft another guard to play alongside Fultz
—-> Killian Hayes if I am lucky

- Play Okeke at PF


We finally rank for real. Guys get trial by fire and get some real Day-1 experience as rookies. We hopefully land a prized draft pick in a stacked class and then Isaac returns. If all plays out, at least one of the 3 rookies this year is more than just a role player as well.


Well the team would be bad. Let's say Fournier and Ennis opt in and Carter-Williams and Clark resign, the Magic is:

Fultz/Hayes/Carter-Williams
Fournier/Ross
Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/McDaniels/Clark
Vučević/Bamba/Birch

That does not look like a 32-win team to me. Usually young teams are fun to watch at least (like the Bulls and Hawks last year). But that roster would struggle to both score and defend. It would be bad.


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Post#17 » by Xatticus » Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:47 pm

I don't see it with McDaniels. There is some upside there, but he is just a playground/iso guy at this point. He will probably be a 3nD guy because most of what he does offensively just doesn't have any value. His feel for the game is poor and he has such a slow first step that he can't use his handles to get by anyone. He mostly just uses his moves to create bad shots for himself. I'd liken him to Oubre. He could be an attractive player at the defensive end. He seems to be alright at defending on the perimeter and he can give you some rim protection.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#18 » by pepe1991 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 4:42 pm

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Even if you ignore lack of skills that body will need 3+ years to develop
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#19 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:03 pm

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Even if you ignore lack of skills that body will need 3+ years to develop

meh...most rookies need 3+ years for their bodies to physically develop. Its almost an expectation for most rookies.
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Re: The case for Jaden McDaniels 

Post#20 » by MagicFan101 » Thu Oct 29, 2020 5:24 pm

drsd wrote:
MagicFan101 wrote:How about this for our 2020 tank job:

- Draft McDaniels for the SF

- Trade AG for as high of a 2020 FRP as we can get (whatever that may be) and draft another guard to play alongside Fultz
—-> Killian Hayes if I am lucky

- Play Okeke at PF


We finally rank for real. Guys get trial by fire and get some real Day-1 experience as rookies. We hopefully land a prized draft pick in a stacked class and then Isaac returns. If all plays out, at least one of the 3 rookies this year is more than just a role player as well.


Well the team would be bad. Let's say Fournier and Ennis opt in and Carter-Williams and Clark resign, the Magic is:

Fultz/Hayes/Carter-Williams
Fournier/Ross
Okeke/Ennis
Aminu/McDaniels/Clark
Vučević/Bamba/Birch

That does not look like a 32-win team to me. Usually young teams are fun to watch at least (like the Bulls and Hawks last year). But that roster would struggle to both score and defend. It would be bad.


,..


Soooo ... it would be a good roster for TANKING!!

... which was the topic of conversation.

lol

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