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MagicMatic wrote:

zaymon wrote:Cmon guys last guys standing from Henny era are Fournier, Vucevic, Ross and Gordon.
Vucevic is rare skilled big man and allstar, Ross would fit on any team with his shooting and Gordon/Fournier are rumored to be in trade talks all the time.
No one is excited to watch Cole and Okeke ? They are both so different from what we have seen so far.

So... the entire rotation for offense production?

Yeah, they haven’t addressed or changed anything in their tenure related to the extremely limited and predictable offense.

Cole could be a change, but how much is he really going to impact anything with the aforementioned players taking all the minutes under Clifford? Maybe in 2022.

This is a clown show at this point. The FO has almost become a parody of itself.

basketballRob wrote:I assume we'll have preseason games within a couples weeks.

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SOUL wrote:

Xatticus wrote:

SOUL wrote:
Oh, I agree in team direction with you, I just don't want to really entertain bad FA signings and forcing trades "just for change". If we legit do go another season without ANY moves then I will have a lot to bitch about, but it's not like I expected anything thus far anyway. Still think AG or Fournier will be traded potentially by the time season starts, but I do think this season will be extremely telling as far as what direction we want to take.

I don't know. I have trouble defending patience at this point. If you hired a contractor to fix your roof, but had a couple tarps patching the same roof three-and-a-half years later, I don't think it would be prudent to advocate for patience.

I think people that believe these trades are coming sooner or later haven't really been paying attention. The time to move Vucevic came and went. He was on an inexpensive and expiring contract, in the midst of a career year, and on a team that was adrift of the playoffs at the trade deadline, yet this front office chose not to deal him. His value will never be that high again. With Boston losing Hayward, I don't see a team in the NBA that is going to value him. Nobody wants to pay a center that doesn't protect the rim $25M per year. Look at the contracts that Harrell and Wood just got in contrast with what comparable players at other positions received. If nobody could meet the price tag for Vucevic when he was a more appealing target, how is anyone ever going to meet it now or going forward?

I think the issue is that Weltman has no appreciation for the team's present condition. He doesn't want to choose a path forward, which is an untenable position to negotiate trades from. It was easy for Presti or Weaver to execute trades because they accept where they are and have plotted a course forward. You have to be willing to sacrifice something to acquire what you value more. You can't expect to get younger, better, and clean your cap all at the same time.

It's just asset management. I've seen nothing to indicate that Weltman will figure this out. He will continue to be underwhelmed by trade offers. He will continue to idle until he inevitably loses his job. For me, we are in purgatory.

Yeah, but timing matters in all of it. If I want someone to cut to the basket when it would make them open, them doing it 5 seconds later when they're being covered is a dead play to me (to make an analogy of making moves just to make it/when better opportunities may present themselves). We haven't **** our future yet like a few contracts that have been handed out this offseason to teams in similar situations as ours. That's not even credit to WeHam, just they "like our team so much" and we have no money to really **** ourselves that badly thankfully.

My hope is that we naturally just suck because the Southeast is way better this year and we get offload some of our vets for young talent from desperate teams that are trying to contend or something. It seems every year our FO is so close to picking a direction and then we hit a hot streak or like, the year Vuc randomly decides he wants to start shooting threes and being effective again. Very hard to get our front office to pick a plan and see it through.

Skin wrote:

basketballRob wrote:Iwundu signing with Dallas.

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Better days ahead for him. TAKE US WITH YOU WES!!!!

Fricken stuck in this **** hole.

Furinkazan wrote:Maybe its time for a new thread title.
Apologysts time.

Skybox wrote:

Skin wrote:

basketballRob wrote:Iwundu signing with Dallas.

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Better days ahead for him. TAKE US WITH YOU WES!!!!

Fricken stuck in this **** hole.

I REALLY want them to pull the trigger on Fournier/AG already but “blow it up”? No way!

j-ragg wrote:

Furinkazan wrote:Maybe its time for a new thread title.
Apologysts time.

ezzzp is gonna make his comeback

Skybox wrote:

Skin wrote:

basketballRob wrote:Iwundu signing with Dallas.

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Better days ahead for him. TAKE US WITH YOU WES!!!!

Fricken stuck in this **** hole.

Friendly reminder that none of us are stuck here...we’ve been at a crossroads for a couple years now, but I’d still take our prospects and potential direction over quite a few others. If you can’t see any positives with the mix of old and young, trade able and developing, etc ...CLE, DET, SAC, CHI and NY would love to have you.

I REALLY want them to pull the trigger on Fournier/AG already but “blow it up”? No way!

Skybox wrote:Lot of people know what our chicken-s**t FO ISN'T going to do...tell us, what should they do? It's a lot more interesting discussion than "I'm leaving", "We suck", "ownership doesn't want to win", "they hate our freedom"(oops wrong board)

Contribute to a discussion, bitching is boring

Furinkazan wrote:

Skybox wrote:Lot of people know what our chicken-s**t FO ISN'T going to do...tell us, what should they do? It's a lot more interesting discussion than "I'm leaving", "We suck", "ownership doesn't want to win", "they hate our freedom"(oops wrong board)

Contribute to a discussion, bitching is boring

we did that million times already nothing left to say
half of this board would do a better job

Skybox wrote:

Furinkazan wrote:

Skybox wrote:Lot of people know what our chicken-s**t FO ISN'T going to do...tell us, what should they do? It's a lot more interesting discussion than "I'm leaving", "We suck", "ownership doesn't want to win", "they hate our freedom"(oops wrong board)

Contribute to a discussion, bitching is boring

we did that million times already nothing left to say
half of this board would do a better job

The roster is full. The only remaining option is a trade. They drafted Cole Anthony. The offseason isn't technically over...what's the next move you(anyone here) recommend?

MoMM wrote:Why NBA is so different than NFL? NFL is much more competitive, even NHL is.

Skybox wrote:

MoMM wrote:Why NBA is so different than NFL? NFL is much more competitive, even NHL is.

I guess because only 5 guys play at a time, so one big piece makes a huge difference