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Re: All-Star Break Magic RAPTOR rankings 

Post#21 » by fendilim » Sat Mar 6, 2021 5:42 am

Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol
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Re: All-Star Break Magic RAPTOR rankings 

Post#22 » by pepe1991 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 8:01 am

fendilim wrote:Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol


Vuc is top 5 center in league where 2 centers are in run for MVP and one should have been finals MVP last year and one won 2 DPOY awards.
Go figure.

Just remembering all the moan how "centers are past tense" :lol:


People who don't understand level of talent that it takes to put up 25 ppg , 3,7 apg on great efficiency, despite playing with nba-cast offs and incapable bench warmers are simply not too smart.

Since his playmaking skills for his position are top tear ( literally, top 4 in nba ) with better spacing that man would easly rack up bunch of triple doubles. Despite complete lack of talent around him, he menaged to get at least 5 assists 9 times in 36 games.

And who are GMs who want him?
Mitch Kupchek, one of the most sucessful nba executvies ever. Guy who went from retireing from NBA to assistent GM over night, at helm of non other than Logo himself. Mitch over years was man in charge of SEVEN Lakers titles and his trades included getting Pau Gasol for basically nothing, getting Bynum, getting Odom, Ariza, hell, getting Shaq and building 3peat Lakers.

Dannie Ainge. Probably the most crafty,and well known GMs in nba.

But this place has bunch of clowns that were vuc haters for last 4 years and now they can't live up with their own incompetence to evaluate talent ( because those are same posters who were drooling over some of worst nba busts out there ) and now are in psycho -spin facts- try with last attemps to control narrative - mode.

How elite Vuc is? How about nba.com article

One could argue that Vucevic is among the league’s best positional defenders, particularly among centers. What that means, although it’s open for interpretation, is that he uses good judgment and alertness to make the right defensive reads.

One way to measure that is through foul rate and opponent shooting percentage when a defender contests the shot attempt.

The two best centers when it comes to defending without fouling are Al Horford and Vucevic, and that has been the case each of the last few years. This season so far, Vucevic is averaging just 1.7 fouls per game, which for someone who plays as many minutes as he does in a starting role is not only rare, it’s potentially historic.

Only two centers all time have started in at least 60 games, averaged a minimum of 33 minutes of playing time a night and committed 1.7 fouls per game or less, per Stathead. They are Mike Gminski, who in 1988-89 with the Sixers averaged 1.7 fouls and 33.4 minutes with 82 starts, and Bynum, who in 2011-12 with the Lakers averaged 1.7 fouls and 35.2 minutes with 60 starts.

So, if Vucevic can lower the amount of fouls he is committing per game at the moment by one-tenth of a point, can continue playing the same number of minutes he’s been playing this season and can avoid missing more than 12 games by the time the year is complete, he will become the first center ever to average 1.6 fouls or less, at least 33 minutes of action and start in 60 or more games.

When Vucevic contests shots, opponents typically shoot lower than their season average. So far this season, per Second Spectrum tracking data, opponents are shooting 44.9 percent when he contests, which is a solid mark for a big man.

Back to the offensive end, where he’s a jack of all trades. Many times down the floor, he’s orchestrating the offense, which for a big man is unique. Nikola Jokic, Domantas Sabonis, Bam Adebayo and Vucevic are the only four bigs in the NBA today that you can truly run an offense through because of their exceptional playmaking and vision.

What separates Vucevic from those other three, though, is his low turnover rate. Currently, Vucevic is averaging just 1.5 turnovers per game, incredibly good. This isn’t unusual for him, though.

Last season, he did something no center had ever done since turnovers became an official stat in 1977, which was average at least 19 points and three assists while turning the ball over fewer than 1.5 times per game, per Stathead. He was only the third player ever at any position to accomplish this. The other two are Jimmy Butler, who averaged 20.0 points, 3.3 assists and 1.4 turnovers with the Bulls in 2014-15, and Tobias Harris, who in 2019-20 with the 76ers averaged 19.6 points, 3.2 assists and 1.4 turnovers.


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Re: All-Star Break Magic RAPTOR rankings 

Post#23 » by jonbob17 » Sat Mar 6, 2021 3:04 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol


Vuc is top 5 center in league where 2 centers are in run for MVP and one should have been finals MVP last year and one won 2 DPOY awards.
Go figure.

Just remembering all the moan how "centers are past tense" :lol:


People who don't understand level of talent that it takes to put up 25 ppg , 3,7 apg on great efficiency, despite playing with nba-cast offs and incapable bench warmers are simply not too smart.

Since his playmaking skills for his position are top tear ( literally, top 4 in nba ) with better spacing that man would easly rack up bunch of triple doubles. Despite complete lack of talent around him, he menaged to get at least 5 assists 9 times in 36 games.

And who are GMs who want him?
Mitch Kupchek, one of the most sucessful nba executvies ever. Guy who went from retireing from NBA to assistent GM over night, at helm of non other than Logo himself. Mitch over years was man in charge of SEVEN Lakers titles and his trades included getting Pau Gasol for basically nothing, getting Bynum, getting Odom, Ariza, hell, getting Shaq and building 3peat Lakers.

Dannie Ainge. Probably the most crafty,and well known GMs in nba.

But this place has bunch of clowns that were vuc haters for last 4 years and now they can't live up with their own incompetence to evaluate talent ( because those are same posters who were drooling over some of worst nba busts out there ) and now are in psycho -spin facts- try with last attemps to control narrative - mode.


How elite Vuc is? How about nba.com article

One could argue that Vucevic is among the league’s best positional defenders, particularly among centers. What that means, although it’s open for interpretation, is that he uses good judgment and alertness to make the right defensive reads.

One way to measure that is through foul rate and opponent shooting percentage when a defender contests the shot attempt.

The two best centers when it comes to defending without fouling are Al Horford and Vucevic, and that has been the case each of the last few years. This season so far, Vucevic is averaging just 1.7 fouls per game, which for someone who plays as many minutes as he does in a starting role is not only rare, it’s potentially historic.

Only two centers all time have started in at least 60 games, averaged a minimum of 33 minutes of playing time a night and committed 1.7 fouls per game or less, per Stathead. They are Mike Gminski, who in 1988-89 with the Sixers averaged 1.7 fouls and 33.4 minutes with 82 starts, and Bynum, who in 2011-12 with the Lakers averaged 1.7 fouls and 35.2 minutes with 60 starts.

So, if Vucevic can lower the amount of fouls he is committing per game at the moment by one-tenth of a point, can continue playing the same number of minutes he’s been playing this season and can avoid missing more than 12 games by the time the year is complete, he will become the first center ever to average 1.6 fouls or less, at least 33 minutes of action and start in 60 or more games.

When Vucevic contests shots, opponents typically shoot lower than their season average. So far this season, per Second Spectrum tracking data, opponents are shooting 44.9 percent when he contests, which is a solid mark for a big man.

Back to the offensive end, where he’s a jack of all trades. Many times down the floor, he’s orchestrating the offense, which for a big man is unique. Nikola Jokic, Domantas Sabonis, Bam Adebayo and Vucevic are the only four bigs in the NBA today that you can truly run an offense through because of their exceptional playmaking and vision.

What separates Vucevic from those other three, though, is his low turnover rate. Currently, Vucevic is averaging just 1.5 turnovers per game, incredibly good. This isn’t unusual for him, though.

Last season, he did something no center had ever done since turnovers became an official stat in 1977, which was average at least 19 points and three assists while turning the ball over fewer than 1.5 times per game, per Stathead. He was only the third player ever at any position to accomplish this. The other two are Jimmy Butler, who averaged 20.0 points, 3.3 assists and 1.4 turnovers with the Bulls in 2014-15, and Tobias Harris, who in 2019-20 with the 76ers averaged 19.6 points, 3.2 assists and 1.4 turnovers.


But wait until spin artist tells you about his MCW tie-ins in net rating :rofl:



I keep hearing he is top 5. He's close in my book but who is he better than?
Jokic
Embiid
Gobert
KAT
Bam
Sabonis

Davis and Porzingis are 4s imo. Might have to consider Jarrett Allen for this list too given what he has done both statistically and in terms of team wins since he was made the starter in Cleveland.
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Re: All-Star Break Magic RAPTOR rankings 

Post#24 » by basketballRob » Sat Mar 6, 2021 4:10 pm

fendilim wrote:Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol
Vuc doesn't have a positive rating. His net rating is -8.6, which is the worst on the team. We need to start counting the number of layups he allows, and the number of wide open perimeter shots, where he doesn't even leave the paint to contest them.

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Re: All-Star Break Magic RAPTOR rankings 

Post#25 » by fendilim » Sun Mar 7, 2021 2:25 am

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fendilim wrote:Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol
Vuc doesn't have a positive rating. His net rating is -8.6, which is the worst on the team. We need to start counting the number of layups he allows, and the number of wide open perimeter shots, where he doesn't even leave the paint to contest them.

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Lol.

He is +1.2 in total and has the highest WAR.
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Post#26 » by Blue_and_Whte » Mon Mar 8, 2021 3:56 am

pepe1991 wrote:
fendilim wrote:Damn... Vuc still has a positive rating even when he has played the most minutes on the team, not to mention, more than half of those Minutes have been with rejects or dleague players against opposing team’s starters. Lol


Vuc is top 5 center in league where 2 centers are in run for MVP and one should have been finals MVP last year and one won 2 DPOY awards.
Go figure.

Just remembering all the moan how "centers are past tense" :lol:


People who don't understand level of talent that it takes to put up 25 ppg , 3,7 apg on great efficiency, despite playing with nba-cast offs and incapable bench warmers are simply not too smart.

Since his playmaking skills for his position are top tear ( literally, top 4 in nba ) with better spacing that man would easly rack up bunch of triple doubles. Despite complete lack of talent around him, he menaged to get at least 5 assists 9 times in 36 games.

And who are GMs who want him?
Mitch Kupchek, one of the most sucessful nba executvies ever. Guy who went from retireing from NBA to assistent GM over night, at helm of non other than Logo himself. Mitch over years was man in charge of SEVEN Lakers titles and his trades included getting Pau Gasol for basically nothing, getting Bynum, getting Odom, Ariza, hell, getting Shaq and building 3peat Lakers.

Dannie Ainge. Probably the most crafty,and well known GMs in nba.

But this place has bunch of clowns that were vuc haters for last 4 years and now they can't live up with their own incompetence to evaluate talent ( because those are same posters who were drooling over some of worst nba busts out there ) and now are in psycho -spin facts- try with last attemps to control narrative - mode.

How elite Vuc is? How about nba.com article

One could argue that Vucevic is among the league’s best positional defenders, particularly among centers. What that means, although it’s open for interpretation, is that he uses good judgment and alertness to make the right defensive reads.

One way to measure that is through foul rate and opponent shooting percentage when a defender contests the shot attempt.

The two best centers when it comes to defending without fouling are Al Horford and Vucevic, and that has been the case each of the last few years. This season so far, Vucevic is averaging just 1.7 fouls per game, which for someone who plays as many minutes as he does in a starting role is not only rare, it’s potentially historic.

Only two centers all time have started in at least 60 games, averaged a minimum of 33 minutes of playing time a night and committed 1.7 fouls per game or less, per Stathead. They are Mike Gminski, who in 1988-89 with the Sixers averaged 1.7 fouls and 33.4 minutes with 82 starts, and Bynum, who in 2011-12 with the Lakers averaged 1.7 fouls and 35.2 minutes with 60 starts.

So, if Vucevic can lower the amount of fouls he is committing per game at the moment by one-tenth of a point, can continue playing the same number of minutes he’s been playing this season and can avoid missing more than 12 games by the time the year is complete, he will become the first center ever to average 1.6 fouls or less, at least 33 minutes of action and start in 60 or more games.

When Vucevic contests shots, opponents typically shoot lower than their season average. So far this season, per Second Spectrum tracking data, opponents are shooting 44.9 percent when he contests, which is a solid mark for a big man.

Back to the offensive end, where he’s a jack of all trades. Many times down the floor, he’s orchestrating the offense, which for a big man is unique. Nikola Jokic, Domantas Sabonis, Bam Adebayo and Vucevic are the only four bigs in the NBA today that you can truly run an offense through because of their exceptional playmaking and vision.

What separates Vucevic from those other three, though, is his low turnover rate. Currently, Vucevic is averaging just 1.5 turnovers per game, incredibly good. This isn’t unusual for him, though.

Last season, he did something no center had ever done since turnovers became an official stat in 1977, which was average at least 19 points and three assists while turning the ball over fewer than 1.5 times per game, per Stathead. He was only the third player ever at any position to accomplish this. The other two are Jimmy Butler, who averaged 20.0 points, 3.3 assists and 1.4 turnovers with the Bulls in 2014-15, and Tobias Harris, who in 2019-20 with the 76ers averaged 19.6 points, 3.2 assists and 1.4 turnovers.


But wait until spin artist tells you about his MCW tie-ins in net rating :rofl:
”But his net rating and RAPTOR WARP FLORP FLOP FLOOP score doe.” :roll:
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