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Yes, please trade ross to the nuggets!

And get ANYTHING for fournier

Do NOT trade Vuc to the Heat! Nothing would make me angrier than seeing him in a Heat jersey. Especially since I have a few Heat fan friends who I debated with about Vuc being better than Bam.

Anywhere else is fine though.

I want to see all of Gordon, Fournier, and Ross traded. But I still can't see this FO making a trade. They haven't made any big moves since coming down here. I'll have to see it to believe it.

Hornets fan here, this rumor made its way to our board. I have to wonder if our FO is mulling over trying to find a way to make a Rozier + Cody for Vuc + Fournier deal work and be appetizing for your FO. Gets your salary on a younger player (I wouldn't want to part with Rozier) and trade expirings. Salaries only like $100K off.

Not sure how much CLT would need to add to make it interesting for ORL.

yosemiteben wrote:Hornets fan here, this rumor made its way to our board. I have to wonder if our FO is mulling over trying to find a way to make a Rozier + Cody for Vuc + Fournier deal work and be appetizing for your FO. Gets your salary on a younger player (I wouldn't want to part with Rozier) and trade expirings. Salaries only like $100K off.

Not sure how much CLT would need to add to make it interesting for ORL.

i dont see magic wanting rozier or cody no fit no need.....would take youth and picks

Vuc to the Spurs makes sense all around if the Spurs are prepared to give up some youth. Vassell, Keldon, Walker and White would all be interesting potential return assets. Vassell is the real prize.

orlando_joe wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Hornets fan here, this rumor made its way to our board. I have to wonder if our FO is mulling over trying to find a way to make a Rozier + Cody for Vuc + Fournier deal work and be appetizing for your FO. Gets your salary on a younger player (I wouldn't want to part with Rozier) and trade expirings. Salaries only like $100K off.

Not sure how much CLT would need to add to make it interesting for ORL.

i dont see magic wanting rozier or cody no fit no need.....would take youth and picks

Doesn't solve this issue, but what about switching out Hayward for Rozier? Doesn't fix the youth angle, but Hayward signed our offer sheet when Cliff was our coach so there is some history there, and have to think he would be seen as more valuable than Rozier to you folks.

yosemiteben wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Hornets fan here, this rumor made its way to our board. I have to wonder if our FO is mulling over trying to find a way to make a Rozier + Cody for Vuc + Fournier deal work and be appetizing for your FO. Gets your salary on a younger player (I wouldn't want to part with Rozier) and trade expirings. Salaries only like $100K off.

Not sure how much CLT would need to add to make it interesting for ORL.

i dont see magic wanting rozier or cody no fit no need.....would take youth and picks

Doesn't solve this issue, but what about switching out Hayward for Rozier? Doesn't fix the youth angle, but Hayward signed our offer sheet when Cliff was our coach so there is some history there, and have to think he would be seen as more valuable than Rozier to you folks.

if magic trade vuc i dont see doing it for older players at al... whats the point they would just keep him

Bensational wrote:Vuc to the Spurs makes sense all around if the Spurs are prepared to give up some youth. Vassell, Keldon, Walker and White would all be interesting potential return assets. Vassell is the real prize.

I would be shocked if the Spurs traded Vassell.

His value is not represented by raw stats. Advanced stats showcase his impact to that team, especially defensively.

He is shooting about 40% from 3 and 86% from the line. They just aren’t including him in a lot of plays. That will change. Right now the entire momentum of the team defense changes for the better when he is on the court (and for the worse when he steps off).

This guy is off limits I can assure you.

yosemiteben wrote:

orlando_joe wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Hornets fan here, this rumor made its way to our board. I have to wonder if our FO is mulling over trying to find a way to make a Rozier + Cody for Vuc + Fournier deal work and be appetizing for your FO. Gets your salary on a younger player (I wouldn't want to part with Rozier) and trade expirings. Salaries only like $100K off.

Not sure how much CLT would need to add to make it interesting for ORL.

i dont see magic wanting rozier or cody no fit no need.....would take youth and picks

Doesn't solve this issue, but what about switching out Hayward for Rozier? Doesn't fix the youth angle, but Hayward signed our offer sheet when Cliff was our coach so there is some history there, and have to think he would be seen as more valuable than Rozier to you folks.

If we are trading vuc, thats the signal that we are in a total rebuild, which means that guys like hayward are literally the exact opposite of what we would need. Hes older and on a HUGE long term contract....wheres the upside for us?
If we were trading with the hornets, im betting it would be something like this,
https://tradenba.com/trades/XS6sdY9kQ
Monk+washington+Zeller+1st for Vuc and filler (clark probably?)

Yeah, it's an interesting problem. The Hornets themselves are committed to youth because Ball seems to be cornerstone of this franchise, so we aren't going too win now when we have a 19 year old PG that we are building around. I don't think we'll be open to an all youth and picks package, which probably means you folks won't be interested in the end.

We kind of view Rozier as a youth piece since he's only 26, but he's certainly not a prospect like Bridges, Monk, or PJ.

I actually like San Antonio as a trade partner for vuc. Vassell and a pick and 1 more piece (player or pick) probably gets it done for me

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I actually like San Antonio as a trade partner for vuc. Vassell and a pick and 1 more piece (player or pick) probably gets it done for me

What would you want besides Vassell ? I’m not sure if Pop is up to trading his first lotto pick since Duncan so quickly..

Any interest in Walker ? I feel like he could brake out on the magic .. The pressure from playing under Pop and going to Orlando is a huge difference..

I feel like his biggest issue is confidence.

Bigfactsstackz wrote:

DiplomaticMagic wrote:I actually like San Antonio as a trade partner for vuc. Vassell and a pick and 1 more piece (player or pick) probably gets it done for me

What would you want besides Vassell ? I’m not sure if Pop is up to trading his first lotto pick since Duncan so quickly..

Any interest in Walker ? I feel like he could brake out on the magic .. The pressure from playing under Pop and going to Orlando is a huge difference..

I feel like his biggest issue is confidence.

I feel like his biggest issue is that the only thing he does is score inefficiently. Can't pass can't defend.

yosemiteben wrote:Yeah, it's an interesting problem. The Hornets themselves are committed to youth because Ball seems to be cornerstone of this franchise, so we aren't going too win now when we have a 19 year old PG that we are building around. I don't think we'll be open to an all youth and picks package, which probably means you folks won't be interested in the end.

We kind of view Rozier as a youth piece since he's only 26, but he's certainly not a prospect like Bridges, Monk, or PJ.

If Ball is your franchise then getting Vuc would ensure he will average a trip-dub with assits or even threaten Skiles record of 30assits a game. Look at out chuck..errr... PGs. Thye just dump it to Vuc either in the mid,post or 3pt line and Vuc scores automatically. That's where they get a high assist rate.

However, as someone said, you gotta "pay to play" or something. Don't think we want Rozier cuz we have Fultz,Cole and hoepfully Cade(lol) for the Guard spots. A Hornets fan had the best offer from Realgm so far with Cody(cap), Monk, Miles and a FRP.

RookieStar wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Yeah, it's an interesting problem. The Hornets themselves are committed to youth because Ball seems to be cornerstone of this franchise, so we aren't going too win now when we have a 19 year old PG that we are building around. I don't think we'll be open to an all youth and picks package, which probably means you folks won't be interested in the end.

We kind of view Rozier as a youth piece since he's only 26, but he's certainly not a prospect like Bridges, Monk, or PJ.

If Ball is your franchise then getting Vuc would ensure he will average a trip-dub with assits or even threaten Skiles record of 30assits a game. Look at out chuck..errr... PGs. Thye just dump it to Vuc either in the mid,post or 3pt line and Vuc scores automatically. That's where they get a high assist rate.

However, as someone said, you gotta "pay to play" or something. Don't think we want Rozier cuz we have Fultz,Cole and hoepfully Cade(lol) for the Guard spots. A Hornets fan had the best offer from Realgm so far with Cody(cap), Monk, Miles and a FRP.

Id do that

Ross to DEN? Wonder what they are offering?

RookieStar wrote:Ross to DEN? Wonder what they are offering?

Whatever it is, im in

1st round pick and cap filler sounds good to me
Gary Harris, who im not a big fan of, but still count me in
AG+TRoss for MPJ and filler, yup in
Tross for Bol Bol and filler, where do i sign

The Effect wrote:

RookieStar wrote:Ross to DEN? Wonder what they are offering?

Whatever it is, im in

1st round pick and cap filler sounds good to me
Gary Harris, who im not a big fan of, but still count me in
AG+TRoss for MPJ and filler, yup in
Tross for Bol Bol and filler, where do i sign

Im all for the first 3..but Bolbol and fillers? lol are we just dumping Ross then?

The Effect wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

yosemiteben wrote:Yeah, it's an interesting problem. The Hornets themselves are committed to youth because Ball seems to be cornerstone of this franchise, so we aren't going too win now when we have a 19 year old PG that we are building around. I don't think we'll be open to an all youth and picks package, which probably means you folks won't be interested in the end.

We kind of view Rozier as a youth piece since he's only 26, but he's certainly not a prospect like Bridges, Monk, or PJ.

If Ball is your franchise then getting Vuc would ensure he will average a trip-dub with assits or even threaten Skiles record of 30assits a game. Look at out chuck..errr... PGs. Thye just dump it to Vuc either in the mid,post or 3pt line and Vuc scores automatically. That's where they get a high assist rate.

However, as someone said, you gotta "pay to play" or something. Don't think we want Rozier cuz we have Fultz,Cole and hoepfully Cade(lol) for the Guard spots. A Hornets fan had the best offer from Realgm so far with Cody(cap), Monk, Miles and a FRP.

Id do that

Our FO is notoriously tight lipped so no one has a great sense of what we're trying to do. I just have a hard time believing that, because our 19 year old draft pick turned out to be a game changer, that means we're sending out youth and picks to accelerate our timeline. It very much might be the case - signing Hayward this summer was a major head scratcher for that reason. But with that said, Ball is going to be here a long time and sending out youth for vets, even ballers like Vuc, is a significant shift in strategy and competitive timeline. I think everything turns on our franchise's strategy, which is the big unknown and we're currently very much straddling the line of winning now and building for the future.

As a bit of a pivot, what would you folks think about a non-Vuc trade of Cody Zeller and Devonte Graham for Fournier and Bamba?