Orlando FO doesn’t pick up & Call - Trade Offers

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Despite all of the Magic's willingness to hold conversations, few teams have generated significant traction in those calls. "You talk to them and it's just like, 'Well, you know, we're open to this…' It's just like talking in circles," an assistant general manager said. Another league source with knowledge of Orlando's talks added, "They don't pick up the phone and call."

HAHAHHA THIS **** FO.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936163-rival-nba-execs-see-major-trade-opportunity-in-orlandos-available-stars

[Xatticus]

Despite all of the Magic's willingness to hold conversations, few teams have generated significant traction in those calls. "You talk to them and it's just like, 'Well, you know, we're open to this…' It's just like talking in circles," an assistant general manager said. Another league source with knowledge of Orlando's talks added, "They don't pick up the phone and call."

HAHAHHA THIS **** FO.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936163-rival-nba-execs-see-major-trade-opportunity-in-orlandos-available-stars

Yeah. This isn't really news though. Weltman made it clear in an interview a long time ago that he doesn't like to talk specifics. I'd imagine he fears the ramifications of appearing weak or of leaked information. That's just the **** you have to live with if you want to get anything done.

[jonbob17]

Despite all of the Magic's willingness to hold conversations, few teams have generated significant traction in those calls. "You talk to them and it's just like, 'Well, you know, we're open to this…' It's just like talking in circles," an assistant general manager said. Another league source with knowledge of Orlando's talks added, "They don't pick up the phone and call."

HAHAHHA THIS **** FO.


https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936163-rival-nba-execs-see-major-trade-opportunity-in-orlandos-available-stars

Yeah. This isn't really news though. Weltman made it clear in an interview a long time ago that he doesn't like to talk specifics. I'd imagine he fears the ramifications of appearing weak or of leaked information. That's just the **** you have to live with if you want to get anything done.

Yah, but you gotta pick up the phone and see who is available. Maybe there is a player out there that our FO values a lot more than the team that holds their contract.
Of course, I have to imagine they are the ones who initiated that blockbuster deadline deal of Ennis last year, I can't imagine Philly was shopping him.

[Def Swami]

There are really interesting headlines in this article.

Those whispers have increased since the calendar flipped to March, and that's likely stemmed from Orlando's significant conversations with Minnesota in early February. Until Gordon's left ankle sprain that sidelined him for six weeks, the Timberwolves and Magic were nearing an agreement on a package for Gordon that centered on Ricky Rubio and future draft capital, sources said.

That draft capital had to be A1 or that deal is a dud for Orlando.

Houston, Dallas, Denver and Golden State have also expressed notable interest in Gordon dating back to November's draft. Orlando's asking price appears reasonable, seeking a combination of picks and young players. It's uncertain what youngster the Timberwolves would have sent the Magic, but before the Nets acquired James Harden in mid-January, Brooklyn first presented an offer involving either Caris LeVert or Spencer Dinwiddie for Gordon, sources said, yet the Magic were seeking a higher 2020 draft asset than the Nets were able to secure.

just at the Magic declining that offer

That's likely why the Rockets, Mavericks, Nuggets and Warriors all remain interested. With Denver, sources said its package would center around Bol Bol, yet there's an apparent hesitation from the Nuggets front office about having to potentially pay both Gordon and Michael Porter Jr. next summer. For Dallas, Dwight Powell has been rumored among league personnel as the centerpiece in any deal.

Gordon for poor man's Gordon.

Some lead members of New Orleans' front office are also quite high on Gordon, sources said, but it's Houston that appears particularly motivated to land him. In several conversations before the Rockets moved Harden, sources said Houston asked interested teams to engage Orlando as a means for the Rockets to ultimately net Gordon, similar to how they ended up acquiring Victor Oladipo. That same line of thinking now seems to be taking place in Houston's early talks gauging Oladipo's own trade value. "Whatever happens with this Oladipo situation, they want to turn into Aaron Gordon," one person with knowledge of the situation said.

So theoretically, the Magic could have landed Levert in a 3 way in which they played the role the Pacers did with Gordon going to Houston?

Vucevic's market does not seem nearly as vast. Boston, Charlotte and San Antonio have all been rumored among league executives as potential destinations, but the center's career season, and second All-Star selection, appears to have clouded these waters. "They'd have to get a motherload for him," another league source with knowledge of the situation said. Orlando would likely require a starting player and multiple first-round picks as a baseline for any Vucevic haul, sources said.

"It would have to be to a point where [a team] offers what someone hasn't yet been willing to offer," another Western Conference executive added.

Fair value for Vucevic lies somewhere short of what Jrue Holiday brought back for New Orleans —Steven Adams, Eric Bledsoe, two future first-round picks (via Milwaukee), right to swap two additional first-round picks (via Milwaukee)—yet more than what Gordon will likely bring Orlando. That allows for plenty of wiggle room in any Vucevic discussion.

On Fournier and Ross - a pair of 2nd round picks

Orlando could command a pair of second-round selections for both wings. Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Dallas, Denver and the Clippers are said to be searching for perimeter help. "All those teams are just trying to get better around the edges," one team analytics staffer said. Some executives B/R polled suggested the Magic could even draw a late first-round pick for either player if the right team feels inclined to pull such a pricey trigger, yet that would seem less likely in Fournier's case.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

There are really interesting headlines in this article.

Those whispers have increased since the calendar flipped to March, and that's likely stemmed from Orlando's significant conversations with Minnesota in early February. Until Gordon's left ankle sprain that sidelined him for six weeks, the Timberwolves and Magic were nearing an agreement on a package for Gordon that centered on Ricky Rubio and future draft capital, sources said.

Houston, Dallas, Denver and Golden State have also expressed notable interest in Gordon dating back to November's draft. Orlando's asking price appears reasonable, seeking a combination of picks and young players. It's uncertain what youngster the Timberwolves would have sent the Magic, but before the Nets acquired James Harden in mid-January, Brooklyn first presented an offer involving either Caris LeVert or Spencer Dinwiddie for Gordon, sources said, yet the Magic were seeking a higher 2020 draft asset than the Nets were able to secure.

just at the Magic declining that offer

That's likely why the Rockets, Mavericks, Nuggets and Warriors all remain interested. With Denver, sources said its package would center around Bol Bol, yet there's an apparent hesitation from the Nuggets front office about having to potentially pay both Gordon and Michael Porter Jr. next summer. For Dallas, Dwight Powell has been rumored among league personnel as the centerpiece in any deal.

Some lead members of New Orleans' front office are also quite high on Gordon, sources said, but it's Houston that appears particularly motivated to land him. In several conversations before the Rockets moved Harden, sources said Houston asked interested teams to engage Orlando as a means for the Rockets to ultimately net Gordon, similar to how they ended up acquiring Victor Oladipo. That same line of thinking now seems to be taking place in Houston's early talks gauging Oladipo's own trade value. "Whatever happens with this Oladipo situation, they want to turn into Aaron Gordon," one person with knowledge of the situation said.

So theoretically, the Magic could have landed Levert in a 3 way in which they played the role the Pacers did with Gordon going to Houston?

IDK how any one has faith in this FO to do the job. You take LeVert or Dinwiddie and **** run to the NBA Office to get the trade approved. Anything else is a cherry on top... Like Brooklyn's 20th pick in the 2020 draft

[Def Swami]

Knowing what was offered for Gordon, it will be interesting to see what the Magic ultimately settle or don't settle on.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Knowing what was offered for Gordon, it will be interesting to see what the Magic ultimately settle or don't settle on.

if that haven't accepted the Portland or that Nets offer they're not going to move him my dude.

[jonbob17]

I have been watching this show called Sunderland Till I Die on Netflix, about the former Premiere League team, (SPOILER ALERT) and their owner, who plays GM, was in a radio interview and gets asked about a trade he made, and the host is just lays into him. Why would you make that trade, did you not even consider how that player would fit together on this team. Just keeps going after him, and holding him to account, when the owner tries to pass blame.

Tried to imagine that happening here in the US, probably in the bigger markets to a degree. Here in Orlando it seems like our FO will only schedule interviews with the Orlandomagic.com or with the broadcast team.

Our beat reporters/bloggers seem scared to ask Clifford or Weltman any critical questions. Our big question this year was by Josh Robbins, on what was up with Bamba's playing time. He's the only one that will come close to offering an opinion.
The rest of the media seem like they spread the organization's propaganda.

The fanbase seems to just accept the narrative they are being fed. Like we should just be happy we have a team here in Orlando.

This FO will not change if the media nor the fans don't hold them to account. They can act like they're are the smartest guys in the room if they need to, but until they prove that, it is just some sort of condescending act.

[MagicMatic]

So my takeaway from this is that it just reaffirmed what most of us already knew. That this front office is completely incompetent and delusional about Orlando’s assets. Sounds like they are too scared to make a decision.

[purpleswordfish]

Oh no, the current front office actually values the assets on the current roster. I wish we had Hennigan back so he could pull another deal like trading two All-Stars (Oladipo/Sabonis) for a rental of a guy who doesn't want to be here (Ibaka). [/sarcasm]

[MartinsIzAfraud]

Oh no, the current front office actually values the assets on the current roster. I wish we had Hennigan back so he could pull another deal like trading two All-Stars (Oladipo/Sabonis) for a rental of a guy who doesn't want to be here (Ibaka). [/sarcasm]

Oh no our current FO has passed on 2 AG trades that would've brought back 5x more valuable things to Orlando and instead continues to have unrealistic expectations.

[Def Swami]

I don't think it's that they overvalue assets as much as I'm not sure they have a sense of direction. All of those iterations of a Gordon trade are all over the place. There's no coherent process to obtaining Rubio and picks, Powell and picks, or Levert or Dinwiddie.

Imagine Gordon never gets hurt and they make that deal for Rubio. What is 30 y/o Ricky Rubio doing on this team full of guards that can't shoot?

[Skybox]

Agonizing patience in negotiations can be very powerful...until they all walk away and then you have to run back & beg. If AG is still here on Mar 26, I'll be pissed...if he's traded at the draft and the return is s***t, I'll be furious. If he's our starting SF in a contract year, I'll be done.

And I like AG.

[OrlandO]

There are really interesting headlines in this article.

Those whispers have increased since the calendar flipped to March, and that's likely stemmed from Orlando's significant conversations with Minnesota in early February. Until Gordon's left ankle sprain that sidelined him for six weeks, the Timberwolves and Magic were nearing an agreement on a package for Gordon that centered on Ricky Rubio and future draft capital, sources said.

Houston, Dallas, Denver and Golden State have also expressed notable interest in Gordon dating back to November's draft. Orlando's asking price appears reasonable, seeking a combination of picks and young players. It's uncertain what youngster the Timberwolves would have sent the Magic, but before the Nets acquired James Harden in mid-January, Brooklyn first presented an offer involving either Caris LeVert or Spencer Dinwiddie for Gordon, sources said, yet the Magic were seeking a higher 2020 draft asset than the Nets were able to secure.

just at the Magic declining that offer

That's likely why the Rockets, Mavericks, Nuggets and Warriors all remain interested. With Denver, sources said its package would center around Bol Bol, yet there's an apparent hesitation from the Nuggets front office about having to potentially pay both Gordon and Michael Porter Jr. next summer. For Dallas, Dwight Powell has been rumored among league personnel as the centerpiece in any deal.

Some lead members of New Orleans' front office are also quite high on Gordon, sources said, but it's Houston that appears particularly motivated to land him. In several conversations before the Rockets moved Harden, sources said Houston asked interested teams to engage Orlando as a means for the Rockets to ultimately net Gordon, similar to how they ended up acquiring Victor Oladipo. That same line of thinking now seems to be taking place in Houston's early talks gauging Oladipo's own trade value. "Whatever happens with this Oladipo situation, they want to turn into Aaron Gordon," one person with knowledge of the situation said.

So theoretically, the Magic could have landed Levert in a 3 way in which they played the role the Pacers did with Gordon going to Houston?

IDK how any one has faith in this FO to do the job. You take LeVert or Dinwiddie and **** run to the NBA Office to get the trade approved. Anything else is a cherry on top... Like Brooklyn's 20th pick in the 2020 draft

Dinwiddie tore his acl, so maybe dodged a bullet with that one. I was wondering the other day if Weltman would trade for an injured dinwiddie since he loves gambling on injured players and it wouldn't hurt the tank this season. Could probably be had for cheap now. He has a player option next season though, who knows if he wants to gamble on himself or sign a discount long-term contract while injured.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

I don't think it's that they overvalue assets as much as I'm not sure they have a sense of direction. All of those iterations of a Gordon trade are all over the place. There's no coherent process to obtaining Rubio and picks, Powell and picks, or Levert or Dinwiddie.

Imagine Gordon never gets hurt and they make that deal for Rubio. What is 30 y/o Ricky Rubio doing on this team full of guards that can't shoot?

Can somewhat understand the Rubio deal, he would allow the FO to sit Fultz out next year take his time getting back and not push Cole into starting role. His deal is only 1 year so that would be the "stop gap PG"

LeVert or Dinwiddie honestly made a ton of sense back in 2020 when it looks like to have been discussed. Multi Year dudes who could've allowed FO to move Fournier on draft night. Sounds like Magic would've gotten a pick as well (late 1st)?

[MasterGMer]

I'd rather keep Gordon than Minn deal with Rubio and future picks. We shall not trade for the sake of trade. We need to get young pieces and future draft picks. Gordon is our best defender and he has improved a lot from the 3s this season. If he shows more consistency, he could possibly make a huge impact on winning

[pepe1991]

dinwiddie would fit great, has ACL tear and can't shoot/score. We love those guys. Have 3 already.

[Def Swami]

I feel like that article also says Oladipo for Gordon is on the table right now.

[MartinsIzAfraud]

dinwiddie would fit great, has ACL tear and can't shoot/score. We love those guys. Have 3 already.

sounds like that deal was last deadline because it mentions Orlando didn't like the draft asset it was getting in 2020.

yet the Magic were seeking a higher 2020 draft asset than the Nets were able to secure.

[paperboymafia]

I feel like that article also says Oladipo for Gordon is on the table right now.

this would be kind of funny