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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#941 » by Ducklett » Wed May 5, 2021 4:12 am

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mattyBoi wrote:6th slot during a lost season where we traded the team away and for a team that hasn't had a superstar player in 10 years. Sure luck can save us but this is brutal.

We trade the 6th pick+Chi future 1st+Den future 1st+2021 1st top 4 protected for the guy we want.


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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#942 » by DiplomaticMagic » Wed May 5, 2021 5:24 am

I rewatched the 2019 and 2020 nba draft lotterys. Dont feel so bad now.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#943 » by nicnac215 » Wed May 5, 2021 5:38 am

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nicnac215 wrote:
mattyBoi wrote:6th slot during a lost season where we traded the team away and for a team that hasn't had a superstar player in 10 years. Sure luck can save us but this is brutal.

We trade the 6th pick+Chi future 1st+Den future 1st+2021 1st top 4 protected for the guy we want.


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Absolutely is if we can get a tier 1 player.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#944 » by pepe1991 » Wed May 5, 2021 6:40 am

D J C wrote:There's really people that aren't excited for the Bulls pick? Literally every year dating back to 2003, nearly 20 years now, there's been an all star caliber player taken between picks 7 and 13. We'll have our choice of that range of prospects, and after seeing Chuma and Cole develop so quickly I'm liking our chances better at picking the right one.


From 2003 to 2020 total of 119 players were drafted in that range.
2004 Igoudala, Deng
2005 Bynum
2006 -
2007 Noah
2008 Brook Lopez
2009 Curry, Derozan
2010 Hayward, George
2011 Kemba Klay
2012 Drummond, Lillard
2013 -
2014 Randle, Lavine
2015 Booker
2016 Sabonis
2017 Mitchell
2018 -
2019 -
2020 -

19 out of 119 players meaning you have, at average ,11% chance for allstar. However, take this term "allstar" very loosly because it just means player showed up for allstar game once. Drummond, Deng, Lopez, Noah, Sabonis, Bynum, Igoudala were never "stars" nor ever lead their teams anywhere.
Most experts,however, belive that "soft tank" is best tank, so guys like Curry, George, Mitchell, Lillard are not brought to apsolute disasters of a team and that allowed them to develop in competitive enviroment and become better players faster and reach their max potential.

Bulls pick isn't safe bet, there is around 2/3 chance of keeping it and 1/3 of losing it. And because draft isn't deep enough and it's very easy to predict that no Michael Porter Jr type will be falling from grace from projected 1# to 8th , it's hard to look at some Jaden Springer, Isaiah Jackson or Wagner and be crazy exited, at least to me.

I don't care if we lose that pick this year. It will be very hard task to play all those young players next year anyway. With returning Isaac and Fultz, and adding own rookie, adding some veteran leadership, PT for most young players compared to this year will go down. Especially Cole, and if we draft SG , Hampton is in that case, third stringer already.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#945 » by drsd » Wed May 5, 2021 7:48 am

Today's tankathon pull:
Orlando 1 :D
Chicago 7 :D

Only effort and got the perfect roll !

....

Orlando sits tied at #5/#6 with Cleveland.
Orlando is a 1/2 game better than #4OKC
Orlando is 5 worse better than #7 Chicago
(Yes the Bulls are catching the Magic in the losses column)

Chicago sits at #7
Chicago is 1/2 game worse better than #8 Toronto
Chicago is 4 games out of a play-in slot
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#946 » by Message Boar » Wed May 5, 2021 8:26 am

drsd wrote:Today's tankathon pull:
Orlando 1 :D
Chicago 7 :D

Only effort and got the perfect roll !

....

Orlando sits tied at #5/#6 with Cleveland.
Orlando is a 1/2 game better than #4OKC
Orlando is 5 worse better than #7 Chicago
(Yes the Bulls are catching the Magic in the losses column)

Chicago sits at #7
Chicago is 1/2 game worse better than #8 Toronto
Chicago is 4 games out of a play-in slot


My one roll of the day: Orlando 9th, Chicago 1st (Memphis at 2 and New Orleans at 3 both jumped us, too). Not making this up.

I swear I have the worst luck with rng-devices, going back to playing board games as a kid lol. Thank god I'll be nowhere near the actual lottery.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#947 » by Skin » Wed May 5, 2021 8:28 am

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jvdas wrote:
D J C wrote:There's really people that aren't excited for the Bulls pick? Literally every year dating back to 2003, nearly 20 years now, there's been an all star caliber player taken between picks 7 and 13. We'll have our choice of that range of prospects, and after seeing Chuma and Cole develop so quickly I'm liking our chances better at picking the right one.


The purest Magic thing to happen right now would be that the Bulls get a top 4 pick, while we're dropping to 8. At this point I'm more afraid of the lottery outcome than excited.

But if the luck is on our side for once, then for sure this is a sweet pick which I'm absolutely excited for.

Trading out of the top 5? Which team would? The drop off after the top 5 is pretty significant.


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No one is trading out of the top 5. People are fooling themselves off they think so.
Markelle Fultz, Jalen Green, Chuma Okeke, Jonathan Isaac, Wendell Carter Jr.
Cole Anthony, RJ Hampton, Corey Kispert, Mo Bamba. LET'S GO!
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#948 » by jvdas » Wed May 5, 2021 9:10 am

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KillMonger wrote:
jvdas wrote:
The purest Magic thing to happen right now would be that the Bulls get a top 4 pick, while we're dropping to 8. At this point I'm more afraid of the lottery outcome than excited.

But if the luck is on our side for once, then for sure this is a sweet pick which I'm absolutely excited for.

Trading out of the top 5? Which team would? The drop off after the top 5 is pretty significant.


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No one is trading out of the top 5. People are fooling themselves off they think so.


I never proposed that someone is trading out of the top 5. Or I am misunderstanding the quote of my post.

I was just saying, that I'm in fear the Bulls get lucky at lottery night and jump into the top4 so they keep their pick, while we're dropping down number 8 with our own. This is nightmare material.
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Post#949 » by drsd » Wed May 5, 2021 10:04 am

Skin wrote:No one is trading out of the top 5. People are fooling themselves off they think so.


But a team might trade #4 and future assets for #2. I am thus kind of hoping Orlando is at 2, and makes that trade to team#4 where Mobley would be sent for the rights of Green. Beyond wining the draft for Cunningham, that would be my preferred outcome.

And Chicago at 7 with Moody being selected.

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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#950 » by slamjunkie » Wed May 5, 2021 11:35 am

nicnac215 wrote:
mattyBoi wrote:6th slot during a lost season where we traded the team away and for a team that hasn't had a superstar player in 10 years. Sure luck can save us but this is brutal.

We trade the 6th pick+Chi future 1st+Den future 1st+2021 1st top 4 protected for the guy we want.


I sure hope the other GM’s think like you. Life would be so much easier...
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Post#951 » by basketballRob » Wed May 5, 2021 11:41 am

This front office doesn't trade picks. I think they just try to get the best player available wherever they end up.

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Post#952 » by Skybox » Wed May 5, 2021 11:44 am

If all the tankers lose out...what’s the tiebreaker (presently w/CLE)?
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Post#953 » by basketballRob » Wed May 5, 2021 11:45 am

Skybox wrote:If all the tankers lose out...what’s the tiebreaker (presently w/CLE)?
I think they flip a coin. Plus Minnesota will win at least 2 or 3 more. They still play us and Detroit.

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Post#954 » by Skybox » Wed May 5, 2021 11:51 am

I thought there was a series of tie-breakers...head to head, conference...mostly asking (if true) what’s the status presently?

Or, is it just a coin toss?
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#955 » by Bergmaniac » Wed May 5, 2021 12:36 pm

The only tiebreaker for the lottery is the coin toss.
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Post#956 » by basketballRob » Wed May 5, 2021 12:53 pm

The Doncic draft we had to lose the last game to secure a tie with Memphis and Dallas. We played Washington and they needed the win, but they came out flat.

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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#957 » by pepe1991 » Wed May 5, 2021 4:11 pm

Skin wrote:
KillMonger wrote:
jvdas wrote:
The purest Magic thing to happen right now would be that the Bulls get a top 4 pick, while we're dropping to 8. At this point I'm more afraid of the lottery outcome than excited.

But if the luck is on our side for once, then for sure this is a sweet pick which I'm absolutely excited for.

Trading out of the top 5? Which team would? The drop off after the top 5 is pretty significant.


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No one is trading out of the top 5. People are fooling themselves off they think so.


I agree. Those trades almost never happen. In last few yeras we only saw Dallas trading up ( unprotected pick given) to move 1 slot.
76ers moved up in 2017 and still didn't menaged to f*** it up picking Fultz and trading rights for pick that turned into Tatum
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#958 » by basketballRob » Thu May 6, 2021 1:39 am

Let's go Minnesota!

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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#959 » by NEM » Thu May 6, 2021 1:41 am

There is no TB for the lottery. If multiple teams finish with the same record, the odds get added up and split evenly amongst the tied teams. In case of an odd number of balls, a coin is flipped to determine who gets the extra lottery ball.
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Re: Race for Ping Pong Balls 

Post#960 » by DiplomaticMagic » Thu May 6, 2021 2:25 am

Hate the Grizz even more.
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