Re: Official 2021 NBA Draft Thread Part 2
Posted: Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:17 am
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RookieStar wrote:basketballRob wrote:Giddey is younger and better than Kuminga.
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Thats ummm a surprising hot take.
Kuminga is better athletically. Giddey is a little better at almost everything else, rebounding, shooting, and passing.Bensational wrote:RookieStar wrote:basketballRob wrote:Giddey is younger and better than Kuminga.
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Thats ummm a surprising hot take.
How? Giddey’s skill level as a passer and facilitator is unquestionably better than Kuminga’s, Kuminga a significantly better scorer from inside, and they’re both poor shooters from distance right now.
A surprising hot take is setting Doncic as the bar for success for Giddey.
Giddey has been the best player at every level he's played on so far. Kuminga has all the tools, but hasn't done that.ogmagicfan wrote:RookieStar wrote:basketballRob wrote:Giddey is younger and better than Kuminga.
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Thats ummm a surprising hot take.
If Kuminga pans out he can be the best player in the draft. Can’t envision any scenario where that’s the case for Giddey.
Kuminga is not an Aaron Gordon. He’s more skilled, and frankly looks more fluid. Reducing him to athleticism isn’t doing him justice.
Bensational wrote:RookieStar wrote:Bensational wrote:
Athleticism does nothing for you without skill. Highly skilled and lesser athletic players can do just fine. I’m not worried about defense from whatever position Giddey plays because we have Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and RJ to cover that.
Weren’t you asking for skilled and unathletic euro guys just last week? Giddey and Sengun are the two closest to that and you’re not a fan of either, lol.
First off.. its unathletic EURO. Giddey is from down under.LOL
Second i dont like the two but in terms of player.. I rank Barnes ahead of Sengun. Both non shooters, both big wing size but one is more athletic and better physical measurements for bball. Both have different skillset although both are for leading the team. However, even though I rank Barnes the player ahead, if we are forced to choose one of them with the CHI pick, illnpick Giddy.
P.S. isnt Sengun supposed to be athletic? Posters who like him are hyping up his blocks and all due to his athleticism.
Ummm, Giddey is white and all white Aussies are of European descent. We didn’t create a different race when we colonised this country, lol.
I can understand people preferring Barnes over Giddey for his defense, but they’ll be sacrificing a much higher level of playmaking by doing so.
Sengun is athletic enough, but his skill profile is the closest to Jokic out of anyone in this draft.
As far as playoffs go, points win games and defense is very much a matchup thing. I’m surprised you care about defense so much now, you didn’t seem to have a problem with Vuc being a complete sieve. And like I said, we’ve already got a solid amount of good defenders, what we don’t have are players who can create plays of any high degree.
Bensational wrote:RookieStar wrote:Bensational wrote:
How? Giddey’s skill level as a passer and facilitator is unquestionably better than Kuminga’s, Kuminga a significantly better scorer from inside, and they’re both poor shooters from distance right now.
A surprising hot take is setting Doncic as the bar for success for Giddey.
Defense? Atheleticism?
TBH i dont like the two even for our CHI pick but I havr to admit they dont play the same.
Athleticism does nothing for you without skill. Highly skilled and lesser athletic players can do just fine. I’m not worried about defense from whatever position Giddey plays because we have Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and RJ to cover that.
Weren’t you asking for skilled and unathletic euro guys just last week? Giddey and Sengun are the two closest to that and you’re not a fan of either, lol.
tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:RookieStar wrote:
Defense? Atheleticism?
TBH i dont like the two even for our CHI pick but I havr to admit they dont play the same.
Athleticism does nothing for you without skill. Highly skilled and lesser athletic players can do just fine. I’m not worried about defense from whatever position Giddey plays because we have Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and RJ to cover that.
Weren’t you asking for skilled and unathletic euro guys just last week? Giddey and Sengun are the two closest to that and you’re not a fan of either, lol.
Doug McDermott, Adam Morrison. 2 skilled, less athletic players. those are comparisons that worry me.
Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:
Athleticism does nothing for you without skill. Highly skilled and lesser athletic players can do just fine. I’m not worried about defense from whatever position Giddey plays because we have Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and RJ to cover that.
Weren’t you asking for skilled and unathletic euro guys just last week? Giddey and Sengun are the two closest to that and you’re not a fan of either, lol.
Doug McDermott, Adam Morrison. 2 skilled, less athletic players. those are comparisons that worry me.
They should worry you - because they’re terrible comparisons. Neither has comparable skills to Giddey.
I’d say Satoransky is probably the floor/bust limit on Giddey. But I also wouldn’t give him a ceiling much higher than Lonzo with a better half court game, maybe a shorter Hedo. So not a star per se but a great glue guy.
Skybox wrote:Watching more footage and I'm warming to the idea of Mobley (assuming Cunningham gone)...He slides right in at PF, Isaac returns to SF, I still like Bamba over Carter at C (for his floor spreading potential)...Mobley looks like he could be a big scorer, inside and out, and that's over 21' of shot blocking, switching, passing lane mayhem on your front line. Mobley looks to me like Isaac defensively but with much more polished offensive skills. Perhaps Mobley or Isaac ultimately becomes our Center but Isaac's mobility and defensive agility means he CAN play SF. The PF "conflict" with AG had a lot more to do with neither being scorers or floor spreaders more than either one's inability to be labeled a SF. Intriguing picture and aligns with WeHam's apparent priority of positional length. We still have backcourt players with scoring potential and another high pick...I'd be good with Mobley, Giddey, and Ayayi in this draft.
As far as Giddey, I'd love to KNOW he'll be able to shoot but...nothing beats proven BBIQ and length as building blocks. It's a big swing but why couldn't he be more like Lamelo than Morrison (who resembles him in no way skill-wise). I'm surprised the Lamelo comparisons aren't standard...same size, same vision, same apparent weaknesses. Ayayi has that great Gonzaga pedigree and toughness, is big and can shoot.
Bamba/Carter
Mobley/Okeke/Wagner
TRoss/Giddey
Harris/Hampton/Ayayi
Fultz/Anthony/MCW plenty of interesting combos and position battles. Harris is ultimately trade bait as a solid vet/expiring.
Carter might also be moved to avoid extending both he and Bamba. Bamba gets the nod for floor-
spreading and rim protection potential. I'd keep both if fiscally realistic. Cunningham still #1 option.
RookieStar wrote:basketballRob wrote:Giddey is younger and better than Kuminga.
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Thats ummm a surprising hot take.
tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:Doug McDermott, Adam Morrison. 2 skilled, less athletic players. those are comparisons that worry me.
They should worry you - because they’re terrible comparisons. Neither has comparable skills to Giddey.
I’d say Satoransky is probably the floor/bust limit on Giddey. But I also wouldn’t give him a ceiling much higher than Lonzo with a better half court game, maybe a shorter Hedo. So not a star per se but a great glue guy.
i dont view someone "like" Satoransky even close to worth the #8 pick. Satoransky looks like a typical bench guy. We still need stars. give me a player with a high ceiling, even if his floor is lower
Skybox wrote:Perhaps Mobley or Isaac ultimately becomes our Center but Isaac's mobility and defensive agility means he CAN play SF. The PF "conflict" with AG had a lot more to do with neither being scorers or floor spreaders more than either one's inability to be labeled a SF. Intriguing picture and aligns with WeHam's apparent priority of positional length. We still have backcourt players with scoring potential and another high pick...I'd be good with Mobley, Giddey, and Ayayi in this draft.
Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:
They should worry you - because they’re terrible comparisons. Neither has comparable skills to Giddey.
I’d say Satoransky is probably the floor/bust limit on Giddey. But I also wouldn’t give him a ceiling much higher than Lonzo with a better half court game, maybe a shorter Hedo. So not a star per se but a great glue guy.
i dont view someone "like" Satoransky even close to worth the #8 pick. Satoransky looks like a typical bench guy. We still need stars. give me a player with a high ceiling, even if his floor is lower
That’s why I said Sato is his floor/bust limit, not his ceiling. Is Lonzo not a high enough ceiling? Who do you have in the 8 range with a higher ceiling?
For me, it’s Dosunmu, Giddey, Sengun with Mann quickly rising. They’re all very different but I like them all pretty evenly for what they offer.
MagicMatic wrote:Skybox wrote:Perhaps Mobley or Isaac ultimately becomes our Center but Isaac's mobility and defensive agility means he CAN play SF. The PF "conflict" with AG had a lot more to do with neither being scorers or floor spreaders more than either one's inability to be labeled a SF. Intriguing picture and aligns with WeHam's apparent priority of positional length. We still have backcourt players with scoring potential and another high pick...I'd be good with Mobley, Giddey, and Ayayi in this draft.
That was one conflict of AG/Isaac pairing not working. The other major issue is that you can’t roll out 4/5 guys onto an nba floor without the ability to shoot the basketball OR create any semblance of offense for others.
Tell me how a lineup of Isaac/AG/Vuc is drastically different than any combination of Okeke/Isaac/Mobley/Carter. Not convincing that it would be in the slightest.
I can’t say for sure that the guard prospects Orlando has acquired can fill that void. Terrance Ross can’t be the only guy on the roster to do it 50% of the time.
The sad part is that you’re probably correct in WeHams line of thinking. Unfortunately, that’s not how games are won in 2021.
MagicMatic wrote:Skybox wrote:Perhaps Mobley or Isaac ultimately becomes our Center but Isaac's mobility and defensive agility means he CAN play SF. The PF "conflict" with AG had a lot more to do with neither being scorers or floor spreaders more than either one's inability to be labeled a SF. Intriguing picture and aligns with WeHam's apparent priority of positional length. We still have backcourt players with scoring potential and another high pick...I'd be good with Mobley, Giddey, and Ayayi in this draft.
That was one conflict of AG/Isaac pairing not working. The other major issue is that you can’t roll out 4/5 guys onto an nba floor without the ability to shoot the basketball OR create any semblance of offense for others.
Tell me how a lineup of Isaac/AG/Vuc is drastically different than any combination of Okeke/Isaac/Mobley/Carter. Not convincing that it would be in the slightest.
I can’t say for sure that the guard prospects Orlando has acquired can fill that void. Terrance Ross can’t be the only guy on the roster to do it 50% of the time.
The sad part is that you’re probably correct in WeHams line of thinking. Unfortunately, that’s not how games are won in 2021.
Ben McLemore is pretty scary also.tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:RookieStar wrote:
Defense? Atheleticism?
TBH i dont like the two even for our CHI pick but I havr to admit they dont play the same.
Athleticism does nothing for you without skill. Highly skilled and lesser athletic players can do just fine. I’m not worried about defense from whatever position Giddey plays because we have Isaac, Bamba, Okeke and RJ to cover that.
Weren’t you asking for skilled and unathletic euro guys just last week? Giddey and Sengun are the two closest to that and you’re not a fan of either, lol.
Doug McDermott, Adam Morrison. 2 skilled, less athletic players. those are comparisons that worry me.
The point is Giddey is better right now, and you can't say, well Kuminga is younger.Blue_and_Whte wrote:RookieStar wrote:basketballRob wrote:Giddey is younger and better than Kuminga.
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Thats ummm a surprising hot take.
That’s an awful hot take. Kuminga is 18 and widely considered a top 5 pick.
Kuminga: Oct 6
Giddey: Oct 10
Both are 18, Giddey is 4 days younger... What in the actual eff