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Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season

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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#21 » by pepe1991 » Tue Apr 27, 2021 7:15 pm

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tiderulz wrote:did he fix his pot problem?

I don’t even think the league tests anymore for weed. Lol


they don't...

and by looking at bodies of those guys, their PED tests are also jokes.
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Post#22 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:21 pm

HA!! Didn't I ask this before? Like this guys just got released.. why not take a look at him.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#23 » by drsd » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:36 pm

I really like Wagner moving forward. Hopefully he is a 3rd stringer audition.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#24 » by basketballRob » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:45 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
OrlChamps2030 wrote:
tiderulz wrote:did he fix his pot problem?

I don’t even think the league tests anymore for weed. Lol


they don't...

and by looking at bodies of those guys, their PED tests are also jokes.
Collins looks like he got smaller this year. Maybe he's really off them now.

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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#25 » by The Real Dalic » Tue Apr 27, 2021 8:56 pm

I don't mind the signing, but I actually liked Franks as a deep bench guy to keep looking at for the future.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#26 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:16 pm

If we really got Mo as our 3rd string C. Why did we cut Franks instead of Hall?
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#27 » by Skybox » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:34 pm

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pepe1991 wrote:already best Mo on a team
You're obsessed.

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gotta give you props for that one Rob :lol:
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#28 » by CZ Eddie » Tue Apr 27, 2021 9:43 pm

Congrats, Moe!
Watched you play for Michigan a lot when I was following Colin.
You'll do good things in this league and hopefully, for the Magic.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#29 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:03 pm

Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#30 » by Magic_Is_Here » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:16 pm

RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.
In Washington, Wagner was regularly lost on plays. Likewise he gets bullied alot on the inside. He was basically a guy who would come in energize the team for about a minute or so then just be a net negative on court for the rest of the game

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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#31 » by RookieStar » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:19 pm

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RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.
In Washington, Wagner was regularly lost on plays. Likewise he gets bullied alot on the inside. He was basically a guy who would come in energize the team for about a minute or so then just be a net negative on court for the rest of the game

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Yikes.. sounds like someone we know
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#32 » by Last Guardian » Tue Apr 27, 2021 10:23 pm

Are we allergic to Cs with size and physicality or something?
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#33 » by Xatticus » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:09 pm

RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.


I looked into his stats after he was cut by the Celtics. He sort of makes sense for this roster at this time, but I think we've seen enough to know what he is. His glaring issues are a high turnover rate, low rebounding rate, and lack of rim protection. He mostly plays center, but he doesn't give you most of what you need from the position. He's active and mobile, but he isn't actually good at anything other than picking up cheap fouls. The 3PAr and FT% give cause to believe that he could be a threat as a shooter, but he just hasn't been good at it thus far. Even if he could shoot, does that make up for his deficiencies? I don't think so. He's six fouls on your deep bench or he is a tank commander. He isn't a prospect.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#34 » by chrbal » Tue Apr 27, 2021 11:13 pm

RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.


Lakers I wouldn’t really count, they basically needed to get him and a couple other guys off their payroll to complete the Anthony Davis trade.

Washington it makes you wonder.

Boston had a whole bunch of centers and kornet seemed to be more versatile.

All that and beyond his skills on offense he’s kind of a limited player. Makes sense as a project big though.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#35 » by RookieStar » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:23 am

so all in all just a body to throw around while we shut down WCJ?
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#36 » by pepe1991 » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:31 am

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RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.


I looked into his stats after he was cut by the Celtics. He sort of makes sense for this roster at this time, but I think we've seen enough to know what he is. His glaring issues are a high turnover rate, low rebounding rate, and lack of rim protection. He mostly plays center, but he doesn't give you most of what you need from the position. He's active and mobile, but he isn't actually good at anything other than picking up cheap fouls. The 3PAr and FT% give cause to believe that he could be a threat as a shooter, but he just hasn't been good at it thus far. Even if he could shoot, does that make up for his deficiencies? I don't think so. He's six fouls on your deep bench or he is a tank commander. He isn't a prospect.


Yea pretty much turnovers and providing very poor spacing, despite being viewed as "shooter".
But as you mentioned, he just has those ugly games where in 15 mins he commits 5 turnovers somehow.
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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#37 » by MoMM » Wed Apr 28, 2021 11:55 am

Well, he is signed just for this season, so it's not a big deal, let's see what he can do and that's it.
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Post#38 » by basketballRob » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:21 pm

I remember in his first summer league he looked like a steal.

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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#39 » by drsd » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:31 pm

Xatticus wrote:
RookieStar wrote:Why did 3(???) teams give up on him already? Like what are his weaknesses that teams just cut him? With BOS glaring need for size, you would think they need him to just stand there in the paint.


I looked into his stats after he was cut by the Celtics. He sort of makes sense for this roster at this time, but I think we've seen enough to know what he is. His glaring issues are a high turnover rate, low rebounding rate, and lack of rim protection. He mostly plays center, but he doesn't give you most of what you need from the position. He's active and mobile, but he isn't actually good at anything other than picking up cheap fouls. The 3PAr and FT% give cause to believe that he could be a threat as a shooter, but he just hasn't been good at it thus far. Even if he could shoot, does that make up for his deficiencies? I don't think so. He's six fouls on your deep bench or he is a tank commander. He isn't a prospect.


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Look, Wagner's roll is as a practice squad player. He is the prototype of a non-playable 3rd stringer. As you note, his VERY low rebounding rate is not acceptable. The team cannot afford court time for a big that cannot box out.

Wager is not an upgrade over Birch, for example. But he is a very good fit for this team now in developing Bamba and Carter.


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Re: Magic sign C Moe Wagner for the rest of the season 

Post#40 » by drsd » Wed Apr 28, 2021 12:32 pm

RookieStar wrote:so all in all just a body to throw around while we shut down WCJ?


So you don't want a tank, you want the full submarine!

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