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GelbeWand09 wrote:cedric76 wrote:Who is gonna trade for ben simmons?
Chicago maybe, if they get a top 4 pick. They have the shooting to hide him but they desperately need playmaking & defense.
edit: Yea Warriors too, but they have to trade Green probably. Not sure Curry & Klay would be ok with that & is that even a upgrade?
Xatticus wrote:He choked. That's it. His confidence was shot. Philly coasts into the conference finals if Ben Simmons plays like Ben Simmons. They need to get him right or they need for someone to demand a trade. Dumping Simmons for Wiggins only makes their situation worse.
Bensational wrote:We should trade for Simmons and give him a couple seasons to just launch 3’s without fear of repercussions. As long as he’s playing on teams trying to win he’ll be too scared to develop the in game confidence.
Marcus Smart became ‘good enough’ from 3 from relentlessly launching from deep. Simmons might be able to as well. But I don’t have much hope in it. Still worth a shot if it comes cheap enough.
tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:We should trade for Simmons and give him a couple seasons to just launch 3’s without fear of repercussions. As long as he’s playing on teams trying to win he’ll be too scared to develop the in game confidence.
Marcus Smart became ‘good enough’ from 3 from relentlessly launching from deep. Simmons might be able to as well. But I don’t have much hope in it. Still worth a shot if it comes cheap enough.
do not want Simmons. on a max deal for 4 more years (over 25% of the teams salary cap). right now he is the ultimate glue guy, give you outstanding defense, give you 10 ppg and cant stay on the floor at the end of close games.
j_n wrote:Simmons would be incredible if he played as a playmaking 4/5 surrounded by shooters, I would definitely try to trade for him now when his value is low.
drsd wrote:j_n wrote:Simmons would be incredible if he played as a playmaking 4/5 surrounded by shooters, I would definitely try to trade for him now when his value is low.
And-1
The #8, Ross, Harris, and Anthony for Simmons trade idea could make this after a draft that could lead to Green and Jay Huff at #33. The Magic resign Brazdeikis and Wagner to become:
Hampton/Carter-Williams/Fultz(IR)
Green/Brazdeikis
Isaac/Bacon
Simmons/Okeke/Wagner
Carter/Bamba/Huff
I really, really like that team. So mush so, I could see a playoff run this coming season and a 4-seed as possible in the 2022/23 season.
It's got ball-handling, shooting, and defense. I really like this.
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pepe1991 wrote:There is some gross level of witch hunting for Ben Simmons in this moment.
Sure guy can't shoot, he can't hit FTs he can't score.
But he is elite defender ( probably best in nba ) ,elite passer, good rebounder and overall plus contributor.
Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:We should trade for Simmons and give him a couple seasons to just launch 3’s without fear of repercussions. As long as he’s playing on teams trying to win he’ll be too scared to develop the in game confidence.
Marcus Smart became ‘good enough’ from 3 from relentlessly launching from deep. Simmons might be able to as well. But I don’t have much hope in it. Still worth a shot if it comes cheap enough.
do not want Simmons. on a max deal for 4 more years (over 25% of the teams salary cap). right now he is the ultimate glue guy, give you outstanding defense, give you 10 ppg and cant stay on the floor at the end of close games.
I don’t really care about cap space when we’re looking at building up a new core who will mostly be on rookie scale contracts. I don’t think we’ll have to worry about the outcome of close games for a couple of seasons either. Hopefully in that time he’s learned how to shoot the 3 or at least FTs. A less hostile environment than Philly fans might be good for him. Or he might just stay the same. Still a chance worth taking to me.
Bamba/Simmons/Isaac/(Cade or Green) + Cole/RJ (or Tre Mann or Dosunmu at the 1) would offer spacing potential and elite defense. Would be fun to watch.
People are quick to say Simmons cost them the game with missed FTs, but forget that he almost saved them the game with his stops in the closing minutes. If Embiid hit his shots like a star is meant to do then Philly is still playing. We got to the finals with Dwight and his FT shooting once before.
tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:do not want Simmons. on a max deal for 4 more years (over 25% of the teams salary cap). right now he is the ultimate glue guy, give you outstanding defense, give you 10 ppg and cant stay on the floor at the end of close games.
I don’t really care about cap space when we’re looking at building up a new core who will mostly be on rookie scale contracts. I don’t think we’ll have to worry about the outcome of close games for a couple of seasons either. Hopefully in that time he’s learned how to shoot the 3 or at least FTs. A less hostile environment than Philly fans might be good for him. Or he might just stay the same. Still a chance worth taking to me.
Bamba/Simmons/Isaac/(Cade or Green) + Cole/RJ (or Tre Mann or Dosunmu at the 1) would offer spacing potential and elite defense. Would be fun to watch.
People are quick to say Simmons cost them the game with missed FTs, but forget that he almost saved them the game with his stops in the closing minutes. If Embiid hit his shots like a star is meant to do then Philly is still playing. We got to the finals with Dwight and his FT shooting once before.
its not just that. he had a clear dunk that he passed off. he seems allergic to offense, its in his head bad. He isnt a max deal player but on a max deal. Him and Isaac could put out some great defense, but they both are subpar offensive players, Simmons more than Isaac. His spacing would be bad as defenders will just back off him, causing problems for other players.
just my opinion, but i would not want him.
tiderulz wrote:Bensational wrote:tiderulz wrote:do not want Simmons. on a max deal for 4 more years (over 25% of the teams salary cap). right now he is the ultimate glue guy, give you outstanding defense, give you 10 ppg and cant stay on the floor at the end of close games.
I don’t really care about cap space when we’re looking at building up a new core who will mostly be on rookie scale contracts. I don’t think we’ll have to worry about the outcome of close games for a couple of seasons either. Hopefully in that time he’s learned how to shoot the 3 or at least FTs. A less hostile environment than Philly fans might be good for him. Or he might just stay the same. Still a chance worth taking to me.
Bamba/Simmons/Isaac/(Cade or Green) + Cole/RJ (or Tre Mann or Dosunmu at the 1) would offer spacing potential and elite defense. Would be fun to watch.
People are quick to say Simmons cost them the game with missed FTs, but forget that he almost saved them the game with his stops in the closing minutes. If Embiid hit his shots like a star is meant to do then Philly is still playing. We got to the finals with Dwight and his FT shooting once before.
its not just that. he had a clear dunk that he passed off. he seems allergic to offense, its in his head bad. He isnt a max deal player but on a max deal. Him and Isaac could put out some great defense, but they both are subpar offensive players, Simmons more than Isaac. His spacing would be bad as defenders will just back off him, causing problems for other players.
just my opinion, but i would not want him.
drsd wrote:j_n wrote:Simmons would be incredible if he played as a playmaking 4/5 surrounded by shooters, I would definitely try to trade for him now when his value is low.
And-1
The #8, Ross, Harris, and Anthony for Simmons trade idea could make this after a draft that could lead to Green and Jay Huff at #33. The Magic resign Brazdeikis and Wagner to become:
Hampton/Carter-Williams/Fultz(IR)
Green/Brazdeikis
Isaac/Bacon
Simmons/Okeke/Wagner
Carter/Bamba/Huff
I really, really like that team. So mush so, I could see a playoff run this coming season and a 4-seed as possible in the 2022/23 season.
It's got ball-handling, shooting, and defense. I really like this.
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MagicMatic wrote:A player that can’t score on a max deal? Especially paired with Isaac. You all are crazy.
Why does Orlando entertain this if they can just draft Barnes?
pepe1991 wrote:There is some gross level of witch hunting for Ben Simmons in this moment.
Sure guy can't shoot, he can't hit FTs he can't score.
But he is elite defender ( probably best in nba ) ,elite passer, good rebounder and overall plus contributor.
MagicMatic wrote:A player that can’t score on a max deal? Especially paired with Isaac. You all are crazy.
Why does Orlando entertain this if they can just draft Barnes?
