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Post#801 » by RookieStar » Wed Aug 11, 2021 8:01 pm

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Horcy wrote:I respect players who prioritize situation, work environment and opportunities over money.
On the other hand both players have already had important contracts and let's be honest...10 lives would not be enough to spent the money they've already won.


>Antoine Walker enters the chat


Agree... regular people like us and"sudden" millionaires like them are built differently. What generational wealth they make in year is probably our pension money x10. So its safe to say that they could blow all that in a month of blackjack and hookers.lol
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Post#802 » by thelead » Wed Aug 11, 2021 11:18 pm

Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant
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Re: Around the NBA- 2020/2021 Edition 

Post#803 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Aug 12, 2021 1:36 am

thelead wrote:Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant


Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now
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Post#804 » by pepe1991 » Thu Aug 12, 2021 7:30 am

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thelead wrote:Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant


Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now


Dwayne Bacon traded for jambo poster at NY Square :lol:
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Post#805 » by MoMM » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:24 am

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thelead wrote:Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant


Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now

No need to trade, right? Just sign him.
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Post#806 » by RookieStar » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:29 am

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MoMM wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
thelead wrote:Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant


Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now

No need to trade, right? Just sign him.


He is already in the Knicks roster.

Which is strange as I thought Ennis wouldve been signed first.
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Post#807 » by MoMM » Thu Aug 12, 2021 9:31 am

RookieStar wrote:[list=][/list]
MoMM wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now

No need to trade, right? Just sign him.


He is already in the Knicks roster.

Which is strange as I thought Ennis wouldve been signed first.

Maybe he wants more than vet minimum?
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Post#808 » by RookieStar » Thu Aug 12, 2021 10:36 am

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RookieStar wrote:[list=][/list]
MoMM wrote:No need to trade, right? Just sign him.


He is already in the Knicks roster.

Which is strange as I thought Ennis wouldve been signed first.

Maybe he wants more than vet minimum?


GL to him trying to get it
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Post#809 » by ChosenSavior » Thu Aug 12, 2021 12:55 pm

pepe1991 wrote:
ChosenSavior wrote:
thelead wrote:Steve Clifford is now a Nets coaching consultant


Nets gotta trade for Dwayne Bacon now


Dwayne Bacon traded for jambo poster at NY Square :lol:


That poster is pretty nice though bro. That's a tough sell for the Knicks... :lol:
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Post#810 » by CZ Eddie » Mon Aug 16, 2021 3:53 am

Clippers are one of my top 15 favorite teams (like, #15) and this is stunning to me.
Totally not a "win-now" move. WTF.

The LA Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32030624/sources-la-clippers-acquiring-eric-bledsoe-memphis-grizzlies-patrick-beverley-rajon-rondo-daniel-oturu
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Post#811 » by pepe1991 » Mon Aug 16, 2021 9:17 am

CZ Eddie wrote:Clippers are one of my top 15 favorite teams (like, #15) and this is stunning to me.
Totally not a "win-now" move. WTF.

The LA Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32030624/sources-la-clippers-acquiring-eric-bledsoe-memphis-grizzlies-patrick-beverley-rajon-rondo-daniel-oturu


Does quantity beat quality tho? I mean Bledsoe is not ELITE guard by any streach of imagination, he is fringe starter, but Beverly and Rondo aren't even that at this point.
Those guys are 34 and 36 yeras old with milage and probably won't stay healthy enough to contribute in playoffs to anything.
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Post#812 » by RookieStar » Tue Aug 17, 2021 8:21 pm

CZ Eddie wrote:Clippers are one of my top 15 favorite teams (like, #15) and this is stunning to me.
Totally not a "win-now" move. WTF.

The LA Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32030624/sources-la-clippers-acquiring-eric-bledsoe-memphis-grizzlies-patrick-beverley-rajon-rondo-daniel-oturu


Well they just sent Bev to the Wolves for Culver and Hernan
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Post#813 » by jonbob17 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 1:57 am

RookieStar wrote:
CZ Eddie wrote:Clippers are one of my top 15 favorite teams (like, #15) and this is stunning to me.
Totally not a "win-now" move. WTF.

The LA Clippers are trading Patrick Beverley, Rajon Rondo and Daniel Oturu to the Memphis Grizzlies for guard Eric Bledsoe, sources told ESPN.

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/32030624/sources-la-clippers-acquiring-eric-bledsoe-memphis-grizzlies-patrick-beverley-rajon-rondo-daniel-oturu


Well they just sent Bev to the Wolves for Culver and Hernan


Seems like a salary dump both ways. It's hard to imagine Culver getting a 2nd contract at this point.
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Post#814 » by pepe1991 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 7:39 am

complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?
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Post#815 » by Sammyzc+1 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 10:53 am

pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?

3 words....tragic, embarrassing, disgraceful
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Post#816 » by RookieStar » Wed Aug 18, 2021 11:42 am

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pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?

3 words....tragic, embarrassing, disgraceful


and more importantly, EXPECTED
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Post#817 » by 89Magicfan » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:43 pm

pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?



Not surprised.

Get your house in order.
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Post#818 » by jonbob17 » Wed Aug 18, 2021 12:46 pm

pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?


The Taliban basically surrendered back in 2001 in order just to survive. The US thought they could just squash the Taliban out completely, and turned down their peace offering. Everything since has been a complete disaster from a US perspective. There was a near zero chance that this would have ended any other way, short of the US sending more troops and becoming the permanent police.

It's a shame and a tragedy, but was a miscalculation in the initial plan and the refusal to negotiate peace just weeks into the war. This is all assuming the US was in the right to be there in the first place, which is a different discussion all together.
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Post#819 » by paperboymafia » Thu Aug 19, 2021 6:43 pm

pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?


Not gonna say much apart from that it's in a large part thanks to the US the taliban exist in the first place. Shambles, all of it, tragic. US foreign policy putting up another brick.
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Post#820 » by Xatticus » Fri Aug 20, 2021 1:40 am

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pepe1991 wrote:complete off topic, what are your toughts on Afganistan fiasco and pretty much Seigon 2021 scenario?


Not gonna say much apart from that it's in a large part thanks to the US the taliban exist in the first place. Shambles, all of it, tragic. US foreign policy putting up another brick.


Not really.

The United States is on the hook for getting themselves involved and ultimately looking pretty stupid, but they have little to do with the creation of the Taliban. The credit lies largely with the Soviets and the Pakistani clerics that radicalized an entire generation of refugees that fled a war that turned increasingly brutal as the Soviets realized they couldn't win.

The extent of the United States' involvement was in supplying arms to the Mujahideen, which was not the Taliban. The United States wasn't alone in supplying arms to the Mujahideen. The entire problem probably could've been prevented if the international community had the stones to act directly against Soviet imperialism. They didn't. Here we are. The real losers in all of this are the people of Afghanistan.

I'm not generally an apologist for US foreign policy, but this idea that the US had something to do with creating the Taliban is a fallacy, unless you believe that the proper course of action was simply to allow the Soviets to conquer Afghanistan. And again, even if you believe that, the blame falls at the feet of many other actors as well. I'm not absolving the United States of blame here, but the Taliban isn't synonymous with Afghanistan. There are always going to be unintended consequences when you give arms to rebels, but arming rebels wasn't the action that resulted in the creation of the Taliban.

Afghanistan has been rife with political instability that long pre-dates American involvement. It was the battleground in central Asia between the British and Russian empires (The Great Game). The British Empire invaded Afghanistan twice. It was a failing puppet state of the Soviets when they decided to invade.

The United States went into Afghanistan because it was a haven for al-Qaeda. I'm sure there were other motives involved, but that was the impetus. I'm sure some capitalists have made a lot of money off of the invasion, but the public will for the invasion wouldn't have existed without 9/11 and the Taliban's unwillingness to cooperate in the United States' pursuit of retribution against the organization that killed a few thousands Americans. The Taliban is a brutal regime, but that's not why the United States invaded. You can find similar human rights abuses in many other places around the world at any given time.

I'm not a proponent of the United States making unilateral decisions to govern the world, but it's going to continue to happen until the international community demonstrates a willingness to do anything that is even slightly uncomfortable. The Russians annexed Crimea. What was the international response?

It's a strange position for me to be in defending the United States' foreign policy as I'm generally a critic, but I think this forum serves as a very good example of why things like Afghanistan happen. We have a heavy international flavor on this forum because people that live in Orlando don't have to go onto an internet forum to find someone to talk to about the Orlando Magic. These human rights violations will continue until the international community has the backbone to do anything more than criticize the de facto police of the world. The United States is essentially taking a lot of heat right now for leaving Afghanistan to its own devices. How is that really any different than what has gone on in Rwanda, Ethiopia, Sudan, China, Syria, Yemen, Myanmar, etc... ? Isn't the United States decision to pull out just putting them on equal terms with every other country on earth that doesn't have the will to protect human rights in Afghanistan? Do you want the United States to stay in Afghanistan? Do you want the United States to deal with those other problems? Insinuating that the United States is the cause of the turmoil in Afghanistan is just the wrong play here.
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