thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
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thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
RookieStar wrote::Pthelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
I think majority of us fans and hopefully the FO knows we want the 3 wings before Mobley. Its just that if we were left with Mobley or Kuminga, who would you choose kind of scenario.
thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
Magic Mops wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-mock-draft-5-0-cade-cunningham-is-no-1-kentuckys-isaiah-jackson-in-top-10/
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3th pick Jalen Suggs
8th pick Isaiah Jackson
at 8 I'd go sengun or Kai jonestiderulz wrote:Magic Mops wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-mock-draft-5-0-cade-cunningham-is-no-1-kentuckys-isaiah-jackson-in-top-10/
Newest Mock from Cbssports
3th pick Jalen Suggs
8th pick Isaiah Jackson
bleh on Jackson. PF that has zero range. barely 200 pounds at 6'10. not a good use of the #8 pick. gimme practically any of the next 6-7 picks in that mock than Jackson
TDJacksonville wrote:at 8 I'd go sengun or Kai jonestiderulz wrote:Magic Mops wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-mock-draft-5-0-cade-cunningham-is-no-1-kentuckys-isaiah-jackson-in-top-10/
Newest Mock from Cbssports
3th pick Jalen Suggs
8th pick Isaiah Jackson
bleh on Jackson. PF that has zero range. barely 200 pounds at 6'10. not a good use of the #8 pick. gimme practically any of the next 6-7 picks in that mock than Jackson
tiderulz wrote:Magic Mops wrote:https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2021-nba-mock-draft-5-0-cade-cunningham-is-no-1-kentuckys-isaiah-jackson-in-top-10/
Newest Mock from Cbssports
3th pick Jalen Suggs
8th pick Isaiah Jackson
bleh on Jackson. PF that has zero range. barely 200 pounds at 6'10. not a good use of the #8 pick. gimme practically any of the next 6-7 picks in that mock than Jackson
MagicFan101 wrote:With Cliff officially gone and a new team identity on the way …
I’m ready to say I want Green + Barnes.
We have a solid core of guards in Fultz + Cole + RJ. We lack a killer go to scorer which Green can be. Barnes gives us another ball handler at the forward spot and an insurance policy on Isaac in the form of an ELITE defensive prospect. He is not Ben Simmons as he does not shy away from attempting 3s. If his shot does improve he is the best player in this draft. We are entering a full blown rebuild. It’s time to aim high.
tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote:at 8 I'd go sengun or Kai jonestiderulz wrote:bleh on Jackson. PF that has zero range. barely 200 pounds at 6'10. not a good use of the #8 pick. gimme practically any of the next 6-7 picks in that mock than Jackson
Sengun doesnt have range either. not saying an absolute requirement, but with him slightly undersized at Center or PF, just an extra skill to have
D J C wrote:tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote: at 8 I'd go sengun or Kai jones
Sengun doesnt have range either. not saying an absolute requirement, but with him slightly undersized at Center or PF, just an extra skill to have
Shooting range is one of the easier things to improve/extend skill wise if someone shows a good shooting stroke. Sengun shot 81% from the line this year on over 6.1 FTA a game.. Mobley shot 69% on 5.8 FTA for comparison.
We've seen it with guys like KAT (81% FT in college, only hit 2 out of 8 3PA), AD (71% FT in college, only hit 3 out of 20 3PA), Embiid (68% FT in college, 1 out of 5 3PA), Sabonis, etc etc.
Its rare that a big man will come into the league with a developed range/3pt shot because they get by at a young age dominating down low. I have full confidence though that Sengun will continue to extend his range in the league where it'll be needed based off what he's shown so far.
D J C wrote:tiderulz wrote:TDJacksonville wrote: at 8 I'd go sengun or Kai jones
Sengun doesnt have range either. not saying an absolute requirement, but with him slightly undersized at Center or PF, just an extra skill to have
Shooting range is one of the easier things to improve/extend skill wise if someone shows a good shooting stroke. Sengun shot 81% from the line this year on over 6.1 FTA a game.. Mobley shot 69% on 5.8 FTA for comparison.
We've seen it with guys like KAT (81% FT in college, only hit 2 out of 8 3PA), AD (71% FT in college, only hit 3 out of 20 3PA), Embiid (68% FT in college, 1 out of 5 3PA), Sabonis, etc etc.
Its rare that a big man will come into the league with a developed range/3pt shot because they get by at a young age dominating down low. I have full confidence though that Sengun will continue to extend his range in the league where it'll be needed based off what he's shown so far.
MagicMatic wrote:thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
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RookieStar wrote:D J C wrote:tiderulz wrote:Sengun doesnt have range either. not saying an absolute requirement, but with him slightly undersized at Center or PF, just an extra skill to have
Shooting range is one of the easier things to improve/extend skill wise if someone shows a good shooting stroke. Sengun shot 81% from the line this year on over 6.1 FTA a game.. Mobley shot 69% on 5.8 FTA for comparison.
We've seen it with guys like KAT (81% FT in college, only hit 2 out of 8 3PA), AD (71% FT in college, only hit 3 out of 20 3PA), Embiid (68% FT in college, 1 out of 5 3PA), Sabonis, etc etc.
Its rare that a big man will come into the league with a developed range/3pt shot because they get by at a young age dominating down low. I have full confidence though that Sengun will continue to extend his range in the league where it'll be needed based off what he's shown so far.
I really wish that were true. But as a MAgic fan who for years have seen the result of drafting athletic longbois who'se offense "supposedly" just need developing.... well....
D J C wrote:RookieStar wrote:D J C wrote:Shooting range is one of the easier things to improve/extend skill wise if someone shows a good shooting stroke. Sengun shot 81% from the line this year on over 6.1 FTA a game.. Mobley shot 69% on 5.8 FTA for comparison.
We've seen it with guys like KAT (81% FT in college, only hit 2 out of 8 3PA), AD (71% FT in college, only hit 3 out of 20 3PA), Embiid (68% FT in college, 1 out of 5 3PA), Sabonis, etc etc.
Its rare that a big man will come into the league with a developed range/3pt shot because they get by at a young age dominating down low. I have full confidence though that Sengun will continue to extend his range in the league where it'll be needed based off what he's shown so far.
I really wish that were true. But as a MAgic fan who for years have seen the result of drafting athletic longbois who'se offense "supposedly" just need developing.... well....
In no world would Isaac, AG, Bamba, Iwundu, Frazier, whoever else we’ve picked up be putting up 20ppg and winning MVP in a pro league as teenagers. Comparing those guys who all came into the league as defensive specialists, and needed to add much much more to their offensive skillset, to an already highly skilled big shooting 80% from the line on high volume isn’t really apt.
JF5 wrote:MagicMatic wrote:thelead wrote:Giannis vs KD is proving, yet again, that elite off the dribble shooting/scoring is king. Mobley cannot be the pick. Mobley is who you draft when you already have Luka or Booker (and the future Luka and Booker are off the table).
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I don't like the narratives being spun without full context.
1. Kevin Durant is one of the best offensive players ever and in general.
2. He's playing on arguably the most offensively talented teams ever.
3. Giannis doesn't necessarily have a secondary scorer on his team like Kyrie Irving or Dame Lillard. He has Middleton but he's a 3rd option at best with a whole bunch of other guys who are average scorers.
Also, Joker just won MVP and he's without Jamal Murray who is the teams 2nd Offensive Option. If Murray plays there is a very real threat with Joker as the main guy.
Also, Jokic just defeated a Perimeter Heavy offensive team in Portland with Dame and CJ (With MPJ as his Second Option while missing other key rotations players on a pretty much overhauled roster) and they made the WCF with him as the best player last year.
I agree you need great offensive Wing men to balance out the roster. That's always been the case throughout NBA history. But to say that especially now with guys like Embiid and Jokic being lead guys on contending teams puts this argument to bed.
This argument is similar to how people thought in the 70s/80s that a perimeter guy couldn't be your best player to win a championship. The guys like Magic Johnson, Larry Bird, and Michael Jordan happened. Then also people believed you couldn't win by shooting the 3 ball an insane amount of times. Then Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson happened.
If you choose a perimeter player over a big man because of a trend rather than talent, then you're the same type of guy that wouldn't select Doncic over Ayton because he's "a European player". Its very nearsighted and not logical.