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Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception?

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#21 » by The Effect » Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:57 am

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basketballRob wrote:Ennis has only made 14m in his career, I'd like to see him get like a 2yr 14m deal, and partially guarantee the 2nd year. He seems to be a positive influence on the young guys. If he put together another good year, a contending team might trade an asset for him.

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Are you trying to tank again next year? cause thats the only reason i could see ennis being back
Ennis is a pretty good player.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#22 » by drsd » Mon Jun 14, 2021 5:23 pm

If I count correctly, the Magic is $40 million clear of the luxury tax line. As such this 17M TPE would be a nice asset to absorb a bloated contract and acquire a secondary asset.
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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

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The teams I would look towards based on the salary and their situation is: Lakers, Blazers, Nuggets, Celtics, maybe Warriors?
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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#27 » by Horcy » Mon Jun 14, 2021 10:57 pm

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KillMonger wrote:Not sure but i would love to get a Legit Veteran in here that can command some respect and get in the ears of our young guys....teach them how to be professionals.....somebody in the mold of an Afflalo....somebody that is/was an above average player thats been in the league a while...seen some things....although i need to look at who's going to be available because i'm not sure that player is out there

From everything ive read, you just described Gary Harris


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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#28 » by drsd » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:17 am

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#29 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:02 pm

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Stretch Harris and they could add another 15m, not sure who'd they'd spend it on tho.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

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Stretch Harris and they could add another 15m, not sure who'd they'd spend it on tho.

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stretch would be dumb...they can use the tpe after reach cap still be under tax thats what matters
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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#31 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:10 pm

Olynyk seems like a good vet to have around, if you could get him for around 4/72.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#32 » by jonbob17 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:14 pm

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The Effect wrote:Are you trying to tank again next year? cause thats the only reason i could see ennis being back
Ennis is a pretty good player.

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Average is pretty generous. If he was average on a $3M deal he would have fetched a decent pick last deadline. I have him more of end of the bench guy (not a rotation player on a good team). If he was more than that he wouldn't have settled on a $3M deal with a bad/mediocre team. If he opts out, i am not positive he even gets another chance.
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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#33 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:16 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Ennis is a pretty good player.

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Average is pretty generous. If he was average on a $3M deal he would have fetched a decent pick last deadline. I have him more of end of the bench guy (not a rotation player on a good team). If he was more than that he wouldn't have settled on a $3M deal with a bad/mediocre team. If he opts out, i am not positive he even gets another chance.
He's a good defender, even if he didn't shoot well.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#34 » by drsd » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:13 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Ennis is a pretty good player.

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Hes the very definition of average
And is a below average starter



Average is pretty generous. If he was average on a $3M deal he would have fetched a decent pick last deadline. I have him more of end of the bench guy (not a rotation player on a good team). If he was more than that he wouldn't have settled on a $3M deal with a bad/mediocre team. If he opts out, i am not positive he even gets another chance.


The average NBA player has a PER of 15. Ennis has not had an NBA season where he is at PER >15 in the last 5 years. His career PER is 11.7. This means Ennis is not a top-250 player in the NBA these last five years.

This year Ennis was the NBA's 232nd best player with a PER of 12.5. That is not "average". It is below average. But still in the range that he should be an employee of the NBA.

Let say the there are a handful of players outside the NBA better than Ennis, the number wold not be more than 50. So that means Ennis is about the 300th best basketball player on planet Earth, meaning the odds of being as good at basketball as Ennis is: < 0000004% .
We dog on players, saying "he sucks" about a given athlete. No player in the NBA "sucks". Every player in the NBA is an elite basketball player.


A 43 yo Brian Scalabrine, who hasn't played in the NBA for 10 years, as an example:



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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#35 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:17 pm

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The Effect wrote:Hes the very definition of average
And is a below average starter



Average is pretty generous. If he was average on a $3M deal he would have fetched a decent pick last deadline. I have him more of end of the bench guy (not a rotation player on a good team). If he was more than that he wouldn't have settled on a $3M deal with a bad/mediocre team. If he opts out, i am not positive he even gets another chance.


The average NBA player has a PER of 15. Ennis has not had an NBA season where he is at PER >15 in the last 5 years. His career PER is 11.7. This means Ennis is not a top-250 player in the NBA these last five years.

This year Ennis was the NBA's 232nd best player with a PER of 12.5. That is not "average". It is below average. But still in the range that he should be an employee of the NBA.


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Bamba's was 19.3, so he's a way above average player. Fournier's was 14.1 in Boston.

Ennis usage was 13.6, that's probably why his per was low.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#36 » by drsd » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:30 pm

basketballRob wrote:Bamba's was 19.3, so he's a way above average player. Fournier's was 14.1 in Boston.


By PER, Bamba was the 24th best Center in the NBA last season. That is fringe-starter territory!

Bamba really needs more minutes to see if this translates. Who do you think starts at C next opening night?


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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#37 » by j-ragg » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:46 pm

basketballRob wrote:Olynyk seems like a good vet to have around, if you could get him for around 4/72.

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around 4/72

Did you mean to put the numbers that you wrote?
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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#38 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:06 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Bamba's was 19.3, so he's a way above average player. Fournier's was 14.1 in Boston.


By PER, Bamba was the 24th best Center in the NBA last season. That is fringe-starter territory!

Bamba really needs more minutes to see if this translates. Who do you think starts at C next opening night?


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WCJ. I was just trying to make the point that PER probably isn't a good indicator.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#39 » by basketballRob » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:07 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Olynyk seems like a good vet to have around, if you could get him for around 4/72.

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around 4/72

Did you mean to put the numbers that you wrote?
He's a good player and will get that this offseason.

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Re: Who should the Magic target with the Trade Exception? 

Post#40 » by tiderulz » Tue Jun 15, 2021 10:25 pm

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basketballRob wrote:Olynyk seems like a good vet to have around, if you could get him for around 4/72.

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around 4/72

Did you mean to put the numbers that you wrote?
He's a good player and will get that this offseason.

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