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I know i will be get doomed for this post but this is my opinion:


Scottie Barnes has a case as the most underrated player in the class.
Barnes’ ceiling could be higher than either of the Jalens due to the high likelihood of Scottie’s big wing frame, impressive switchable defense, and next-level playmaking translating to the next level.

Players with Scottie’s length, defensive talent, and ball-skills tend to pan out in the NBA.

Projected to be a 6'9" positionless defender who can guard point-of-attack, post-ups, and help-side, Barnes could easily be the most versatile defender in the draft.

At Florida State, Scottie stole (3.4 STL%); Barnes blocked (2.1%). Lamar Odom and Ben Simmons, this year’s DPOY runner-up, are examples of this tall, lanky defensive playmaker archetype excelling in the NBA, while Giannis and Magic are two all-time versions of lengthy point forwards dominating the association.

Showtime Scottie doesn’t know if he’ll be Magic freakin’ Johnson, but he’ll have fun trying.

45% of Scottie’s attempts came at the rim, while he was assisted on 23% of those rim-shots, which may seem odd for a player his size; Barnes stays aggressive attacking the paint.

This playmaking ball of energy uses his 7' wingspan to make slick reads over defenders while guarding multiple positions on the other end.
His AST% was 31.6% against a 20.7% TOV%; while his 2P% was 56.1% on 6.5 2PA per game.
Coming off the bench is no sweat for future NBAers who attend Florida State, just ask reigning fourth-overall pick, Patrick Williams.
In 25 MPG, Scottie Barnes posted a +3.4 BPM with Per-40 stats of 16.7 PTS - 6.5 REB - 6.6 AST (4.0 TO) - 2.4 STL - 0.7 BLK


As teams construct rosters that strive for adaptability, two goals are clear: being able to go big while maintaining floor-spacing and playmaking, and being able to go small without forfeiting defense and rebounding.

As for Orlando specifically, Scottie offers a change-of-pace off the bench and depth at an oft-injured forward position.
The Magic’s second unit of floor-spacers (Ross, Cole, Hampton, Bamba) couldn’t ask for a better north-to-south force to penetrate the paint, suck in defenders, and set them up for open looks.

Scottie, Chuma, Isaac are three complementary, versatile wing talents who can play together, 3/5 of the way towards Orlando’s very own Disney Brand Death Lineup.

With the Magic, Scottie Barnes could take as long as he needs to develop his work-in-progress jumper, fill in as an injury reserve along the way, and gain meaningful experience contributing to a competitive team.

Front office could also see him as an insurance for Isaac for already had 2 severe injuries in his career.

maybe its me, i dont see Barnes wingspan overly large. i would say its decent for a player his height but not extraordinary. his problem, which we see around the league, is that defensive players coming into the league lately seem to be offensively challenged. you can look around the league at similar players, including Isaac on our team. not a good 3 pt shooter, not a good FT shooter. he isnt a healthy ISaac, as i dont see him also being able to play small ball center. I wouldnt hate the pick with Chicago's pick, but i cant call it a homerun pick. that said, i dont know what is a homerun pick unless someone falls for some reason. we likely wont know if the pick is successful for a couple of years anyway.

In the 8-10 range, many here would be fine with Barnes. If Moody is off of the board, any of the I-can't-shoot wings are all pretty interchangeable for me.

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I love Barnes but all depends on who we take with our first pick. If we get Kuminga...what's the point of Barnes with 3 similar players already on the roster?

Maybe if we fall to 10 and Moses Moody, jalen Johnson and keon Johnson are all gone then I'd consider it, but honestly I don't get the hype

He's a good leader and defender and he's an ok playmaker (no he's not a 6'9 PG), but his poor shooting, both from 3 and FT, makes him pretty useless at the NBA level

People can say all they want that a players jumpshot will develop, but I don't buy it. Shooting is muscle muscle memory, and for a guy like him, whose been playing since a young age, played at one of the top basketball HS in the country, played at a major university that produces nba players year in and year out... I don't expect much change

I think of he's going to success, it's going to be with the warriors, and or maybe the raptors, where it's a vet team that can help hide his flaws, but for a team like ours, where he would be needed to be a focal point, nope, sorry

The Effect wrote:Maybe if we fall to 10 and Moses Moody, jalen Johnson and keon Johnson are all gone then I'd consider it, but honestly I don't get the hype

He's a good leader and defender and he's an ok playmaker (no he's not a 6'9 PG), but his poor shooting, both from 3 and FT, makes him pretty useless at the NBA level

People can say all they want that a players jumpshot will develop, but I don't buy it. Shooting is muscle muscle memory, and for a guy like him, whose been playing since a young age, played at one of the top basketball HS in the country, played at a major university that produces nba players year in and year out... I don't expect much change

I think of he's going to success, it's going to be with the warriors, and or maybe the raptors, where it's a vet team that can help hide his flaws, but for a team like ours, where he would be needed to be a focal point, nope, sorry

Jalen and Keon.
Sorry i don't get the hype too......

I think he is rated appropriately. Seems like many have him at #6. I could see a case for him above Kuminga. If he can't shoot though, his upside is as a high level glue guy, valuable, but limited. He may still end up being one of the best players in this draft without the shot. If someone can teach him to shoot, well then, where he gets drafted might end up looking silly. Giant IF.

Another I can’t shoot wing player…. Y’all will learn one day.

27.5% from 3 & 67% FT shooter. Lacks any offensive go to moves. His playmaking ability will suffer from that as teams sag off & go under screens.

Gimme Keon Jalen Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Moody or Bouknight

I have a number of concerns with Barnes:

-He isn't a great athlete. It's fine. His frame is good. His athleticism looks rather average though.
-I'm a bit skeptical about his switchability. He isn't good at defending bigs in the paint. His size isn't effectual on the interior. He doesn't do the things that bigs do. He isn't a big that can guard down, he is just a really tall guard.
-The shot is bad. Nobody is ever going to go over screens to guard him, which I believe is going to limit his value as a pick-and-roll ball handler. If he can't get to the rim, then how is he going to be a threat in your half-court offense?

He has a really unique combination of skills and tools, but I don't really see a lot of upside unless he acquires a skill that he doesn't have right now. He's really only a threat to score at the rim right now, but how is he going to get there? How is he going to draw the help defense to unlock his passing when he is on ball? How valuable is his passing going to be off ball when he isn't a threat to shoot?

I think he will be fine. I think he will be a useful NBA player, but I don't see a high-upside prospect here. I wouldn't really have a problem with Barnes as the pick, but he wouldn't be at the top of my list at that point. He looks like a lesser version of Ben Simmons to me.

I would love Barnes IF two things happen, we land an offensive player with our pick, i.e. Cunningham or Jalen Green AND then we hire a coach who is willing to play a face uptempo pace. If we get another defensive first coach then no way do I want another bad shooter.

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Another I can’t shoot wing player…. Y’all will learn one day.

27.5% from 3 & 67% FT shooter. Lacks any offensive go to moves. His playmaking ability will suffer from that as teams sag off & go under screens.

Gimme Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Moody or Bouknight

Keon Johnson....
Another i can't shoot player....

Magic Mops wrote:

MartinsIzAfraud wrote:Another I can’t shoot wing player…. Y’all will learn one day.

27.5% from 3 & 67% FT shooter. Lacks any offensive go to moves. His playmaking ability will suffer from that as teams sag off & go under screens.

Gimme Keon Johnson, Davion Mitchell, Moody or Bouknight

Keon Johnson....
Another i can't shoot player....

The Duke Johnson, looks to be Jalen not Keon

I'd rather have Jalen Johnson if i'm being honest

KillMonger wrote:I'd rather have Jalen Johnson if i'm being honest

Barnes or Johnson: I might favour "trade down". I'd rather the Magic has Wagner's rights and another asset over either of those two.

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drsd wrote:

KillMonger wrote:I'd rather have Jalen Johnson if i'm being honest

Barnes or Johnson: I might favour "trade down". I'd rather the Magic has Wagner's rights and another asset over either of those two.

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Franz Wagner? the prospect with no left hand.....i like him....i mean it doesn't matter really when you're picking at this level the talent level is nebulous

If there is one lesson to be learned from watching Ben Simmons, it is that if a player is going to play out past the arc, he has to be able to shoot the three or he is unplayable.

Ducklett wrote:If there is one lesson to be learned from watching Ben Simmons, it is that if a player is going to play out past the arc, he has to be able to shoot the three or he is unplayable.

Aka Markelle Fultz

nicnac215 wrote:

Ducklett wrote:If there is one lesson to be learned from watching Ben Simmons, it is that if a player is going to play out past the arc, he has to be able to shoot the three or he is unplayable.

Aka Markelle Fultz

TBF to Fultz, at least he doesn't mind shooting the 3 even if its low-percentage. Simmons on the other hand.. yikes even a near jump-shot the guy wouldn't take it.

Back to topic : Simmons is probably a liability on offense in this grind-out playoffs. Barnes is probably a poor-to-homeless man Simmons so def a no for me.

drsd wrote:

KillMonger wrote:I'd rather have Jalen Johnson if i'm being honest

Barnes or Johnson: I might favour "trade down". I'd rather the Magic has Wagner's rights and another asset over either of those two.

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Hot take : Wagner might get drafted higher than those two so "trade down" for him is unlikely.

Serious thinking though, a lot of movements regarding player's stock will happen especially after the lotto. It will just intensify every after workout/leaked YT highlights/measurement/interviews and etc.

So just expect today's #6 Jalen Johnson might be next week's #15 due to Bouknight measuring 6'6, Keon draining 50 straight 3's, Wagner having court speed similar to Usain Bolt and etc etc

drsd wrote:

KillMonger wrote:I'd rather have Jalen Johnson if i'm being honest

Barnes or Johnson: I might favour "trade down". I'd rather the Magic has Wagner's rights and another asset over either of those two.

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Wagner seems like ultimate team/glue guy. The ball doesn't stick in his hands on offense and give 100% on defense. Surprisingly Wagner can get by people on offense too, that's the part of his game that's similar to Hayward. If you go on Twitter and type in Wagner and Hayward, you'll see a lot of people comparing them.

https://defpen.com/franz-wagner-2021-nba-draft-profile/

https://hoopshabit.com/2021/03/12/mock-nba-draft-1-0-check/5/

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