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With us getting screwed at the top of the draft, and likely ending up with Kuminga, the #8 pick can ONLY be used for one skillset....GUYS WHO CAN PUT THE BALL IN THE BASKET!

No wasting this pick on utility players (wagner) or skilless defensive players (Barnes, K. Jones, Garuba), and while hes very talent, i dont think Mitchell is a fit here.

So right now, i only have 3 guys in mind with this #8 pick and would be happy with any of the 3 at 8

Jalen Johnson......Yes, i know he plays the same role as Kuminga and would be redundant, dont care. Hes BPA at that spot if hes there, and if he had a better attitude, id put him ahead of Kuminga. But the guy can do it all as a SF, and can be our go-to guy if he develops some consistancy. To me he would more insurance for when Isaac gets hurt again. And while its not a big deal to me right now, He could also be a great defender



Moses Moody. Yeah yeah yeah, hes not a great athlete, cool, dont care. The guy knows how to put the ball in the basket from all 3 levels. Hes the most "devin booker" esqe player in this draft, and the guy i think can be our leading scorer as a rookie. Also, as with Jalen Johnson, Moody can be a great defender as well, but that has nothing to do with my hope for us picking him





Lastly, James Bouknight. He might be the best overall scorer not named Jalen Green, in this draft. So creative, and can score from all 3 levels, can beat his guy one on one, can catch and shoot, get to the basket (better than moody at finishing inside), get transition baskets, etc. Hes also a very good passer (but i dont buy him being a PG unless youre talking about a jamal murray type PG). Hes not the best 3pt shooter at only 29%, but was a pretty decent 3pt shooter for most the season and then went through a horrible slump to end the season (ended season 1-13 in last 3 games). The 3pt does worry me but hes so good everywhere, and is a good FT shooter so i have faith in his shot getting better.

Trade back and take white shooter out of Gonzaga. Pure shooters don't have a high ceilings but are desperately needed. Specially on Orlando who takes all the chances on athletes. I mean look at Miami, got to the finals off the back of Robinson and Herro getting hot.

Hey if you want pure scoring then you have to add Kispert and Keon right?

Hogified05 wrote:Trade back and take white shooter out of Gonzaga. Pure shooters don't have a high ceilings but are desperately needed. Specially on Orlando who takes all the chances on athletes. I mean look at Miami, got to the finals off the back of Robinson and Herro getting hot.

i didnt say pure shooters, i said SCORERS

Kispert is essentially kyle korver so no thank you, i want a guy who can do more than just shoot 3s

We need a devin Booker, a donovan mitchell, a jamal murray
Guys who can take the ball, put the team on their shoulders and give you 40 on any given night

I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Moody, Jalen Johnson, or Springer at 8 for me right now.

However, the pick should be used to move up and grab the real scorer in this draft: Green

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

I was taking about Jalen Johnson, he really isn't a scorer. When I see him play he reminds me of AG. He doesn't seem fluid, his handles are not there. He just does impress me. I like Bouknight, Moody, or even Davis with the bulls pick.

Rainwater wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

I was taking about Jalen Johnson, he really isn't a scorer. When I see him play he reminds me of AG. He doesn't seem fluid, his handles are not there. He just does impress me. I like Bouknight, Moody, or even Davis with the bulls pick.

Have you watched the Duke games? He isnt a chucker but he def is a scorer. He shoots drives posts up and grabs oboards just so he can score.

I mean you dont get almost a 20-20 in your first game as a rookie esp at Duke if you arent a scorer.

Yes his fluidity and handles arent that sharp compared to the SGs but you have to compare him to the other SFs. He checks out.

My complain before and as of now ( as well.as most posters ) is what is between his ears.

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure how he is a 3-level scorer. I'm also not gambling on him having his head on straight. He left or was dismissed from IMG without ever playing a game for them. There were early reports out of Duke that he didn't get along with anyone, which later seemed to be confirmed when he departed. This isn't the track record for a guy I'd trust to operate a lemonade stand. Burning a lottery pick on him is a massive gamble.

I don't think people have a very good feel for what qualifies someone as a scorer. Moody isn't a scorer for me. He is a 3nD with the ability to attack a closeout and draw a foul. His numbers are inflated because he played 34 minutes per game. His usage was 22% and he only averaged 20 points per 40 minutes, which is fine, but far from extraordinary. His scoring efficiency was really only buoyed by his high FTr, which doesn't necessarily translate. His scoring profile was otherwise rather underwhelming. His efficiency was pedestrian from everywhere and the bulk of his shots come from the perimeter. For contrast, Chris Duarte was vastly superior from everywhere.

Moody might have some upside as a movement shooter, but right now he is far from what Hield or Nesmith were when they entered the draft. He has to add a lot to his game if he is ever going to be a primary option while he is on the floor. He'll take whatever shots the offense creates for him, but he isn't going to be what makes your offense go. The primary selling point for Moody in my eyes is his combination of youth and role on a 25-7 Arkansas team. If you take Moody, you are banking on his youth and size and hoping he develops, because there are many guards littered throughout this draft that are better players right now.

Xatticus wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure how he is a 3-level scorer. I'm also not gambling on him having his head on straight. He left or was dismissed from IMG without ever playing a game for them. There were early reports out of Duke that he didn't get along with anyone, which later seemed to be confirmed when he departed. This isn't the track record for a guy I'd trust to operate a lemonade stand. Burning a lottery pick on him is a massive gamble.

I don't think people have a very good feel for what qualifies someone as a scorer. Moody isn't a scorer for me. He is a 3nD with the ability to attack a closeout and draw a foul. His numbers are inflated because he played 34 minutes per game. His usage was 22% and he only averaged 20 points per 40 minutes, which is fine, but far from extraordinary. His scoring efficiency was really only buoyed by his high FTr, which doesn't necessarily translate. His scoring profile was otherwise rather underwhelming. His efficiency was pedestrian from everywhere and the bulk of his shots come from the perimeter. For contrast, Chris Duarte was vastly superior from everywhere.

Moody might have some upside as a movement shooter, but right now he is far from what Hield or Nesmith were when they entered the draft. He has to add a lot to his game if he is ever going to be a primary option while he is on the floor. He'll take whatever shots the offense creates for him, but he isn't going to be what makes your offense go. The primary selling point for Moody in my eyes is his combination of youth and role on a 25-7 Arkansas team. If you take Moody, you are banking on his youth and size and hoping he develops, because there are many guards littered throughout this draft that are better players right now.

Agreed. about the head thing. But I also see that he takes 3s with a good form. i follow Duke a lot and the team played better without him, their projected OAD alpha scorer. Whatever the truth is, it is a gamble for a young lotto team. High risk but high reward. Right now Id get the sure pick rather than gamble.

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:

RookieStar wrote:
Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

I was taking about Jalen Johnson, he really isn't a scorer. When I see him play he reminds me of AG. He doesn't seem fluid, his handles are not there. He just does impress me. I like Bouknight, Moody, or even Davis with the bulls pick.

Have you watched the Duke games? He isnt a chucker but he def is a scorer. He shoots drives posts up and grabs oboards just so he can score.

I mean you dont get almost a 20-20 in your first game as a rookie esp at Duke if you arent a scorer.

Yes his fluidity and handles arent that sharp compared to the SGs but you have to compare him to the other SFs. He checks out.

My complain before and as of now ( as well.as most posters ) is what is between his ears.

Johnson is just not a scorer to me and really not much of shooter either. His game is not fluid nor is it creative. I really just don't see it. And with Okeke, JI and maybe even Kuminga I really don't see the point of Johnson.

Xatticus wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure how he is a 3-level scorer. I'm also not gambling on him having his head on straight. He left or was dismissed from IMG without ever playing a game for them. There were early reports out of Duke that he didn't get along with anyone, which later seemed to be confirmed when he departed. This isn't the track record for a guy I'd trust to operate a lemonade stand. Burning a lottery pick on him is a massive gamble.

I don't think people have a very good feel for what qualifies someone as a scorer. Moody isn't a scorer for me. He is a 3nD with the ability to attack a closeout and draw a foul. His numbers are inflated because he played 34 minutes per game. His usage was 22% and he only averaged 20 points per 40 minutes, which is fine, but far from extraordinary. His scoring efficiency was really only buoyed by his high FTr, which doesn't necessarily translate. His scoring profile was otherwise rather underwhelming. His efficiency was pedestrian from everywhere and the bulk of his shots come from the perimeter. For contrast, Chris Duarte was vastly superior from everywhere.

Moody might have some upside as a movement shooter, but right now he is far from what Hield or Nesmith were when they entered the draft. He has to add a lot to his game if he is ever going to be a primary option while he is on the floor. He'll take whatever shots the offense creates for him, but he isn't going to be what makes your offense go. The primary selling point for Moody in my eyes is his combination of youth and role on a 25-7 Arkansas team. If you take Moody, you are banking on his youth and size and hoping he develops, because there are many guards littered throughout this draft that are better players right now.

I agree with everything you said here. Moody gives me KCP and Danny Green vibes. Not bad players but I just want to strike gold not bronze.

Question is do we need scoring or a ball handler who can manipulate the defense ? Anthony is a scorer, Hampton projects as a scorer, Harris is a scorer, Ross is a scorer.
Fultz could be a playmaker but not without a jumper and he must recover from serious injuries. Chuma can read the game at a high level but his handle is loose.
I would say at 8 best scorer could be a player nobody yet mentioned. Alperen Sengun. He can put the ball on the floor, he can pass, he can score in many ways and his touch is great. I wouldnt be shocked if he starts to bomb 3s. Other scorer could be Bouknight. He is smooth, he seems to understand the game and he flashes some nice passes.
If we could draft Sengun at 8 i would be very pleased. Good luck to reserves stoping his rolls .

Please god please let Moody slide to 8.

If we pick Kuminga, I support this message.

This game has always been, and will always be, about buckets.

I would take Şengün at 8 and be perfectly happy with that decision. I’d move Bamba and/or Carter Jr. for a future pick.

What’s more interesting is the 5th pick. I wonder if there would be interest in a team moving up for Kuminga? Could the Magic move back and pick up a young guy on their rookie deal and a pick?

Xatticus wrote:

RookieStar wrote:

Rainwater wrote:I like James Bouknight. Johnson is not a scorer.

Which Johnson are you talking about?

J.Johnson if he has his head on straight is a 3 level scorer. Keon aside from Green and Bouknigh is probablybthe best slashing scoring 2 guard.

Jalen Johnson can't shoot, so I'm not sure how he is a 3-level scorer. I'm also not gambling on him having his head on straight. He left or was dismissed from IMG without ever playing a game for them. There were early reports out of Duke that he didn't get along with anyone, which later seemed to be confirmed when he departed. This isn't the track record for a guy I'd trust to operate a lemonade stand. Burning a lottery pick on him is a massive gamble.
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granted small size, but 54% from 2, 44% from 3 isnt from someone that "cant shoot"

tiderulz wrote:granted small size, but 54% from 2, 44% from 3 isnt from someone that "cant shoot"

I mean you're talking about 18 3PT attempts here. That's beyond a small sample size, it's barely an appetizer

Look at JJ's FT% and look at his form on threes and you'll see why there's pause. He shot just 63% from the line and has a slow, awkward release.

Knightro wrote:

tiderulz wrote:granted small size, but 54% from 2, 44% from 3 isnt from someone that "cant shoot"

I mean you're talking about 18 3PT attempts here. That's beyond a small sample size, it's barely an appetizer

Look at JJ's FT% and look at his form on threes and you'll see why there's pause. He shot just 63% from the line and has a slow, awkward release.

i get it, but you view what you have. if he had shot 23% from 3, he would be killed for it.